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Now THAT'S an MVP performance. Jordan who?





Trade Kobe

kobe did suck tonite, but so did gasol. garnett owns him. i like gasol, but the minute someone touches him, he just falls over. he reminds me of jim everett with the rams. why doesn't phil ever call timeouts during those huge runs??? it's the finals, you tell them how to turn it around instead of them playing it out. it's the finals!!!

trade kobe for whom???
 
This loss is on Kobe. We ALL know KG is a million times better than Pau, that's obvious. Kobe with his little cockiness on "Oh, I can turn my scoring on and off" blah blah blah. That's horse****. Stick to something. Either go to the rim or pass to your teammates the whole game. Just jacking up long shots after you've been passing the whole game messes up the tempo and momentum the other type of style inspires in the team.

Trade Kobe for whom? SOMEONE would want him, and would give up a lot to get him. You're not going to get a 1:1 trade in most Laker fans' eyes, but Im pretty confident you could get someone damn good. Trade to the Heat for Dwyane Wade or Wade and a draft pick. Something. Just make sure you trade him for someone who is a great player but relatively humble and not a complete pretentious male organ. Someone who inspires teammates, not berates them. The LA Times can run however many bias articles they want about Kurt Schilling's observations during game 2, but that doesn't change what Kurt saw. You can't have your star player try to tell you something and your other teammates roll their eyes when he turns around. That's bad, and it's because of Kobe.
 
lakers will be back with a vengeance next year and the rivalry will continue.

Hopefully it will continue for a few more years. The truth, KG, and Ray Ray still have 5 solid years left.

p.s. to boston fans: patriots 18-1 lol!!! i'm down right now, and that's all i got :D

lol, I feel bad for you if that's all you guys have :p Pats are going to be back with the best team in the NFL this year, plus we have 3 Superbowl and 2 World Series trophys in the past 7 years. :D

This loss is on Kobe. We ALL know KG is a million times better than Pau, that's obvious. Kobe with his little cockiness on "Oh, I can turn my scoring on and off" blah blah blah. That's horse****. Stick to something. Either go to the rim or pass to your teammates the whole game. Just jacking up long shots after you've been passing the whole game messes up the tempo and momentum the other type of style inspires in the team.

Gotta give the Truth tons of credit for playing amazing defense on him in the 2nd half too.

The LA Times can run however many bias articles they want about Kurt Schilling's observations during game 2, but that doesn't change what Kurt saw. You can't have your star player try to tell you something and your other teammates roll their eyes when he turns around. That's bad, and it's because of Kobe.

Yup. Oh, it's Curt btw. :)


I'm still ****ing stunned that the C's actually came back. That was amazing.
 
Hopefully it will continue for a few more years. The truth, KG, and Ray Ray still have 5 solid years left.



lol, I feel bad for you if that's all you guys have :p Pats are going to be back with the best team in the NFL this year, plus we have 3 Superbowl and 2 World Series trophys in the past 7 years. :D



Gotta give the Truth tons of credit for playing amazing defense on him in the 2nd half too.



Yup. Oh, it's Curt btw. :)


I'm still ****ing stunned that the C's actually came back. That was amazing.

you just put k.g. on blast, but since the celts won everything is okay now... whatever dude. the lakers lost tonite. the celts are better. they won 66 games. i like kobe. i like pau. i root for the players that play in laker uniforms cause i'm a laker fan.


badandy: when they lose, they lose because of kobe. when they win, it's because of someone else. they would have lost if not for kobe and sasha in game 3. i dunno what to say. i think they have a bright future. magic and showtime lost 4 times in the finals. so kobe has lost 2 now. so because they made the finals, and because they lost, you should trade kobe now. Because of Kobe, they got to the finals. kobe still got into the playoffs with smush parker and kwame brown starting.
 
you just put k.g. on blast, but since the celts won everything is okay now... whatever dude. the lakers lost tonite. the celts are better. they won 66 games. i like kobe. i like pau. i root for the players that play in laker uniforms cause i'm a laker fan.

So just because a guy wears your team's jersey you have to support him blindly? KG did absolutely nothing in the first 3 quarters.

He proved me and a bunch of other people wrong by stepping up big in the 4th.


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Old Man PJ dunking over "MVP" :rolleyes: Kobe Bryant to close the 3rd quarter and bring the Celtics within 2 points (73-71).

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Ray Allen's game-clinching layup. He played all 48 minutes tonight, and he played amazing defense (especially during that 21-3 run to close out the 3rd quarter.

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Kobe can't handle the Truth.

"I thought Paul Pierce played the best defensive game of his life." - Doc
 
thanks for the pics superfan. i didn't see those things happen when i watched the game. it's clear that boston is better. but kobe put up a mvp season. he got his team to the finals. remember, k.g. won mvp to and the lakers knocked them out back in '04. did k.g. not deserve his mvp because he didn't get his team to the finals?

what i don't get is why it took 7 games to beat atlanta and cleveland. cleveland, maybe? but atlanta? boston peaked at the right moment. they looked back to normal in that pistons series
 
badandy: when they lose, they lose because of kobe. when they win, it's because of someone else.

No, when they lose because Kobe spent a half "feeling the game out" and getting teammates involved, thus getting them used to one style, and then completely changes the entire momentum and style of the game, then it is his fault. I'm sorry, but he needs to be more consistent. And in Game 3, the reason they won was because of Kobe and Sasha. You aren't being hard enough on Kobe. What did he have, like 2-3 assists?! That's bad, even for a scorer.

so because they made the finals, and because they lost, you should trade kobe now.

No, because no matter the situation, Kobe makes it into a terrible one. He sneers as his teammates, he drives out the most dominant player in NBA history (who he could have won 3 more championships with) by saying he doesn't want to be a sidekick anymore, and for all of his new image, he really hasn't changed. He's the same selfish brat he started becoming in 2001, and I, for one, am sick of it.

Take a player like Dwyane Wade. Sure, he's injured, but he is one of (if not the most) talented players in the NBA. He is a true superstar, and guess what? He's humble, he's a nice guy, he's a great teammate, and he doesn't hold grudges. That's a player. Someone so good that he should have an ego, but doesn't.

kobe still got into the playoffs with smush parker and kwame brown starting.

The Hawks made the playoffs sub 500. Making the playoffs isn't the measure of a team, it's how they do in them.
 
I'm confused. Was it just me that has been noticing when Kobe does his little feeling out the game/distribution mode that the Lakers are unstoppable, and when everyone thinks he's going to go into assassin mode we LOSE? But no, it was how bad his teammates are. That must be it. :rolleyes:


Trade Kobe 1:1 for Dwyane Wade. Pull the trigger Jerry.
 
No, sorry, but if you don't think that giving up a 17 point lead...in the fourth quarter...at home is NOT a bad thing that is indicative of something fundamentally wrong with your team's mentality heading into the Finals, you must not follow basketball that closely.

I thought it would be appropriate to quote this from earlier in the thread, about why you think the Celtics are not a very good team. Remember that the Celtics didn't even lose that game.

ps. That game was crazy!!!!!!!!

Kobe: still a douche.
 
Kobe is retarded... literally. His quote didn't even make sense:

".... a lot of beer, a few shots... about 20 of them..."

Give me a break you short bus riding, weak ass MVP....

BEAT L.A.
 
I thought it would be appropriate to quote this from earlier in the thread, about why you think the Celtics are not a very good team. Remember that the Celtics didn't even lose that game.

ps. That game was crazy!!!!!!!!

Kobe: still a douche.

biggest douche ever... go cheat on your wife.
 
I'm confused. Was it just me that has been noticing when Kobe does his little feeling out the game/distribution mode that the Lakers are unstoppable, and when everyone thinks he's going to go into assassin mode we LOSE? But no, it was how bad his teammates are. That must be it. :rolleyes:


Trade Kobe 1:1 for Dwyane Wade. Pull the trigger Jerry.

L.A. is terrible... The C's haven't even had a perfect game with the Big 3 yet. Game 5 will be a blowout.
 
So just because a guy wears your team's jersey you have to support him blindly? KG did absolutely nothing in the first 3 quarters.

He proved me and a bunch of other people wrong by stepping up big in the 4th.


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Old Man PJ dunking over "MVP" :rolleyes: Kobe Bryant to close the 3rd quarter and bring the Celtics within 2 points (73-71).

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Ray Allen's game-clinching layup. He played all 48 minutes tonight, and he played amazing defense (especially during that 21-3 run to close out the 3rd quarter.

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Kobe can't handle the Truth.

"I thought Paul Pierce played the best defensive game of his life." - Doc

PJ's Dunk = ridiculous.
 
ONE OF THE GREATEST COMEBACKS IN FINALS HISTORY!

An hour and a half earlier you were calling Garnett a phony and wanted Rivers fired. You might hurt yourself getting off and on the bandwagon so fast. :rolleyes:

when they lose, they lose because of kobe. when they win, it's because of someone else.

Completely ridiculous. They lose for all sorts of reasons. Sometimes it's because Kobe is jacking up bad shots. Sometimes it's because the rest of the Lakers forget how to score. Or they just stop playing defense. And sometimes, like in Game 4, all of those things happen at once. I can't believe they choked that game away.

No, because no matter the situation, Kobe makes it into a terrible one. He sneers as his teammates, he drives out the most dominant player in NBA history (who he could have won 3 more championships with) by saying he doesn't want to be a sidekick anymore, and for all of his new image, he really hasn't changed. He's the same selfish brat he started becoming in 2001, and I, for one, am sick of it.

Actually he's the same selfish brat that he was as a rookie in 1996. The pundits this season have cracked me up. All the talk about Kobe becoming unselfish is a joke. Kobe is the same guy he always was: he's willing to pass the ball if he thinks his teammate has a better chance of scoring than he does. But when he decides that he has the best chance (and sometimes he's right) then he'll take it himself. The difference is that this season he has a more complete team around him and he has more moments when he thinks they can score too. That's it. Otherwise he's the same guy.

Let's get something straight. Kobe is not the only reason Shaq left. Kobe isn't the one who demanded another $30 million per contract extension as soon as his latest contract started. Kobe isn't the one who showed up out of shape for the preseason three years in a row. Kobe isn't the one who publicly demanded the trade that got the Lakers 40 cents on the dollar. Shaq did all those things. Buss traded him because he was tired of Shaq's complaining and decided he wasn't a good investment anymore. Shaq and Kobe both have huge egos, both want to be the man on their team, both expect others to cater to them, and both share the blame for their breakup.

Take a player like Dwyane Wade. Sure, he's injured, but he is one of (if not the most) talented players in the NBA. He is a true superstar, and guess what? He's humble, he's a nice guy, he's a great teammate, and he doesn't hold grudges. That's a player. Someone so good that he should have an ego, but doesn't.

I wouldn't trade Wade straight up for Kobe. Not now anyway. As great as Wade is, he won one title with the help of Shaq and a ridiculous number of foul calls against the Mavs. The calls that Wade got in the 2006 finals make this postseason's bad officiating look stellar. Wade also has a problem staying healthy these days, whereas Kobe has played through a lot of injuries and stays on the floor. There are many, many reasons not to like Kobe, but he's the most dedicated player in the league.

Wade seems like he's at a crossroad right now. He doesn't have Shaq to help him anymore, the Heat are terrible, and he's getting hurt a lot. He could end up going down the LeBron or Kobe career path. Then again, he could end up being the next Grant Hill, and we'll always wonder "what if?"

Trade Kobe 1:1 for Dwyane Wade. Pull the trigger Jerry.

Forget it. Oh, and Jerry West isn't the GM anymore.

For the record, Kobe had 10 assists last night, the most of anyone in the game, not "2 or 3".

Assuming some miracle doesn't happen, right now it looks like the Lakers will finish second this year. As much as I hate the idea of losing to the Celtics, I'm consoling myself a little knowing that they weren't supposed to get this far this season, that they're a young team on the rise, that with Bynum back next season they'd have the best front court in the league, and that they really weren't playoff-tested yet this time. The truth is that the Lakers are hitched to the Kobe train, for better or worse. He's going to be a major part of how far they go each season. He's both the most talented, dedicated, and ruthless player in the league, and also the most irritating. (I'm not sure he's the most selfish. Vince Carter, anyone?) We'll continue to have him to kick around and by awed by for quite a while.

Personally, I would rather have him giving my team a chance to win each game than see him play somewhere else. No team should make rash decisions based on one playoff series.
 
Colin Cowherd on his ESPN Radio show may have hit on the reason why the Lakers are playing terrible this year in the Finals: too many of the players on the Lakers' roster come from Europe, where they're used to FIBA International rules basketball with its emphasis on the perimeter game.

As such, the Lakers without Andrew Bynum's presence "in the paint" are being pounded on constantly by the entire Celtics' roster, and that's why the Lakers were running on fumes by the end of the game last night. Don't be surprised that the Lakers may trade for a few more players capable of a strong defensive presence in the off-season.
 
Colin Cowherd on his ESPN Radio show may have hit on the reason why the Lakers are playing terrible this year in the Finals: too many of the players on the Lakers' roster come from Europe, where they're used to FIBA International rules basketball with its emphasis on the perimeter game.

As such, the Lakers without Andrew Bynum's presence "in the paint" are being pounded on constantly by the entire Celtics' roster, and that's why the Lakers were running on fumes by the end of the game last night. Don't be surprised that the Lakers may trade for a few more players capable of a strong defensive presence in the off-season.

Not sure I buy that. All of their European players have been here long enough to adjust to the NBA game. I'm not sure they need many changes either. I think they need to get Bynum healthy and see how he integrates into the lineup over the long-term before they know if major changes are needed. If the Lakers went into the playoffs with a healthy Bynum and Ariza right now, how different might it be? Or if the Lakers bench were playing even average right now instead of getting whipped? On the other hand, a case could be made that Odom is just too inconsistent to rely on and they should shop him around. I'm not sure who they'd get for him though.

What if the Celtics are just playing better right now? Isn't that possible, as much as I wish it weren't true? If the Celtics were currently playing like they did against the Hawks, then the Lakers would be up 3-1 right now. It took a while for the Celtics to adapt their still fairly-new roster to playoff basketball, but now it looks like their doing it.

What worries me most about the Lakers right now is that this same thing happened the last time they were in the finals. The 2004 Lakers also beat a very tough Western Conference in the first three rounds, then didn't adapt to a peaking opponent in the finals. Why did it take them so long to take it to Boston the way they did in the first half of Game 4? Or even at the end of Game 2?

Championship teams adapt to beat their toughest opponents. The Lakers aren't stepping up right now and the Celtics are. It's not that I think the Lakers are incapable of pulling a miracle comeback and winning this series. They just haven't given me much reason to think they will.
 
Shaq and Kobe both have huge egos, both want to be the man on their team, both expect others to cater to them

But Shaq was the man.

I wouldn't trade Wade straight up for Kobe. Not now anyway. As great as Wade is, he won one title with the help of Shaq and a ridiculous number of foul calls against the Mavs.

He is ridiculously good. With or without Shaq. The Heat had NO inside presence at all.

Wade also has a problem staying healthy these days, whereas Kobe has played through a lot of injuries and stays on the floor.

I'll give you that. IF he gets healthy, which is a definite if, I have this strange feeling that he will be one of the all time greats. And by all time great, I mean top five.


Wade seems like he's at a crossroad right now. He doesn't have Shaq to help him anymore, the Heat are terrible, and he's getting hurt a lot. He could end up going down the LeBron or Kobe career path. Then again, he could end up being the next Grant Hill, and we'll always wonder "what if?"

The difference is, we KNOW what if. We've seen it for the last four years. But the Heat will be good next year: Healthier Wade, Marion, JWill, Beasley or Rose...

They won't make a title run. But Wade + Rose/Beasley + Marion is a solid line up.



Forget it. Oh, and Jerry West isn't the GM anymore.

I was referring to the Dr.


Personally, I would rather have him giving my team a chance to win each game than see him play somewhere else. No team should make rash decisions based on one playoff series.

One playoff series? We've known it for years. Trade him for Wade, and if people don't think that's even, trade him for Wade and the no. 2 pick.
 
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