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Honestly -- and this is probably a hasty overreaction on my part -- I want Phil Jackson fired right now. To cough up their worst performance of the season in the most important game of the season is just unfathomable and embarrassing. It's not even about being outplayed, which they certainly were, but they looked like they gave up playing defense before halftime. A championship next year is the only thing that can redeem them. And even then I'll still have a bad taste in my mouth. And to get humiliated by the Celtics of all teams. Total nightmare.

There's no solace in having a young team with a lot of potential. None at all. At least not anytime soon.
 
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE


best ****ing sports night of my life.

Posey and House's back to back 3's when we were up by just 3 points.. we went ****ing insane.

KG's and-1 where he banked it off the glass over odom..

Ray Allen standing in the corner for 2 full seconds before draining one of his 7 threes.

KG hugging Bill Russell at the end saying "I got mine" was the best part.

After the game we smoked victory cigars in honor of Red.
 
just like you said, their young. they would have been the youngest team since 1980, had they won this series. let's see what happens next year before making rash decisions. phil is phil, and that's that. in game 4, i wish he would have called a t.o. to stop the bleeding, but does he ever? remember that game against the hornets at the end of the season when they almost blew that lead? he wouldn't call a t.o. and they were lucky to escape with a victory.

boston was just the better team. in the reg. season, they owned the west and the lakers. 3 all-stars vs. 1. odom has the "goods", but lacks something. i dunno what, but dude just lacks something. pau is just soft. he needs to get mentally tough. the rest of the lakes are just young and will learn from this experience. just be patient and next season will be here soon enough.

this series just made me realize how good lebron james is. i know allen was off in that series, but that game 7 in that series was just AWESOME.
 
I looked around and realized there didn't seem to be a thread for the current NBA season. (If there is and I missed it, I'm happy to close this one and join it.) Of course we're about halfway into the season already, but I figured we could jump right into it anyway. :cool:

Potential topics: What will the rest of the West do in response to the Gasol trade? What about today's rumors that Shaq might go to Phoenix? Who else could get traded before the trading deadline at the end of the month? Can the Celtics keep their momentum going through the playoffs? Will someone in New York finally fire Isiah Thomas?

Oh, and go Lakers! :D

you know, i was the second to post in this thread, and it didn't come 'till after another 2 months. we came a long way. this season was fun. also, when they lose, we don't lose anything. just like when the win. i don't get a check. they're still millionaires while i'm just a special ed teacher who enjoys watching the lakers. :) thanks for starting the thread. can't wait for the 2008-2009 thread.
 
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Red would approve.
 
Biggest mismatch?


Phil Jackson vs. Doc Rivers

So called Zen Master got owned,schooled and turned out like a $20 ho in this series..Not only did they cough up a 24 point lead at home and lose,in an elimination game on the road,they barely showed up.....
 
Red would approve.

Indeed. And not only because another part of this story was keeping Phil Jackson from surpassing him with most championship wins as a coach.

Congratulations Celtics. The better team and you could just tell from the opening minutes that they simply wanted it more. That game was amazing. When KG got fouled hard and tossed up the one hander that slammed against the backboard and through the net as he slammed into the ground I knew it was over.
 
One thing I was thinking was how the NBA had changed in the past 20 years. Something was missing in this series. The old NBA had more compassion for the game that I don't feel exists anymore. Nothing can live up to the Bird Magic showdowns. Maybe big money has gotten in the way of how the game should be played. Too many stars with egos not enough passion.
 
One thing I was thinking was how the NBA had changed in the past 20 years. Something was missing in this series. The old NBA had more compassion for the game that I don't feel exists anymore. Nothing can live up to the Bird Magic showdowns. Maybe big money has gotten in the way of how the game should be played. Too many stars with egos not enough passion.

I was a bit young to perhaps fully appreciate the Bird Magic rivalry, but one of the things I enjoyed specifically about this series was the passion the Celtics brought to the court, was the teamwork above individual the Celtics brought to the series and post-season.

I agree with what you are saying, it is why I no longer follow the NBA until the post-season (and that sparingly, last night was the first game I've watched all year). But even with that qualifier, I still saw the hunger and passion that I miss from the Celtics. And not seeing it from the Lakers was a big part of why they lost, IMO.
 
One thing I was thinking was how the NBA had changed in the past 20 years. Something was missing in this series. The old NBA had more compassion for the game that I don't feel exists anymore. Nothing can live up to the Bird Magic showdowns. Maybe big money has gotten in the way of how the game should be played. Too many stars with egos not enough passion.

People have been saying that about every sport for over a hundred years. Somehow everyone remembers the past as being better when it comes to sports.
 
People have been saying that about every sport for over a hundred years. Somehow everyone remembers the past as being better when it comes to sports.

I don't know what you're talking about...

... by the way, be sure to check in with the MLB thread for discussions about how the DH and potential addition of instant replay are hurting the sport. :D
 
People have been saying that about every sport for over a hundred years. Somehow everyone remembers the past as being better when it comes to sports.
The Dunk really took away the offense and made it a run and done sport. It has become more glitz than strategy.

I don't know what you're talking about...

... by the way, be sure to check in with the MLB thread for discussions about how the DH and potential addition of instant replay are hurting the sport. :D
That reminds me....
 
The Dunk really took away the offense and made it a run and done sport. It has become more glitz than strategy.

I know exactly where you can find strategy basketball instead of glitz. It's called women's basketball. If you think the men's game should be like that, then you're in a very small minority.
 
I know exactly where you can find strategy basketball instead of glitz. It's called women's basketball. If you think the men's game should be like that, then you're in a very small minority.
Your right, women's basketball is more of a floor game rather than air. Is it a better game, that is debatable. If you like to see the dunk watch the men, if you like more of a team sport watch the women. Another aspect is that the women play for the love of the game, the men play for the money. Look at the college game. Kids are leaving after a year and going pro. That hurts the collage game in the long run. I guess that can be said of all sports, it is all about money now.

Another problem with the NBA is the lack of quality, you have 4 great teams and everyone else sucks. Look at the eastern conference.
 
Your right, women's basketball is more of a floor game rather than air. Is it a better game, that is debatable. If you like to see the dunk watch the men, if you like more of a team sport watch the women. Another aspect is that the women play for the love of the game, the men play for the money. Look at the college game. Kids are leaving after a year and going pro. That hurts the collage game in the long run. I guess that can be said of all sports, it is all about money now.

Even most of the people who want to see the "team sport" won't watch women's basketball. It isn't entertaining enough for all but a small number of basketball fans. That's not really the choice they're being offered.

I don't really get where the curmudgeonliness is coming from though. Taking the dunk out of basketball would be like taking the home run out of baseball. You could do it, but hardly anyone would like the results. When Babe Ruth came along there were people who decried what he was doing to the game, but the game grew and changed with the times. To expect basketball to ban the dunk might have made sense in 1957, but not now.

The money complaint is so tiresome. If women could make millions of dollars playing basketball, they would do it. Do you really think that if 22-year-old Mickey Mantle was transported to today's game that he would play only for love of the game and turn down today's salaries? They didn't get that money because they couldn't. Now players can. It is what it is. If you and I didn't spend so much time and money on sports, then they'd be making peanuts.
 
Before big money contracts were involved players were not going after the highest dollar. They were playing because they loved the sport. Were they under payed, probably, but the game play was different as well.
 
After watching that series, I am convinced that even the Pistons are a far better team than the Lakers. I am not sure what that says about the rest of the teams in the West though. Are they really worse than the Lakers?
 
Was it me, or did it look the like the Lakers didn't even show up the game 6? It was hard to watch. Talk about a freaking blow out.

Congrates Celtics...

Lakers had just two offensive boards the entire game..They didn't get their first until the fourth quarter.Not showing up is an understatement..
 
Before big money contracts were involved players were not going after the highest dollar. They were playing because they loved the sport. Were they under payed, probably, but the game play was different as well.

You're dreaming. Players were trying to get as much money as they possibly could. They just weren't able to in the days before arbitration or free agency. Either a player accepted what the team offered or they didn't play next season. Very few players were good enough to actually hold out for more money, but even they were only getting an offer from one team, not bids from multiple teams. People imagine that the old days were better because players weren't rich and spoiled. But is it right that almost all of the major leaguers had winter jobs because baseball didn't pay enough to support their families? While the owners were making money hand over fist? In no other profession in the U.S. were employees prevented from working for someone else the way major leaguers were back then. It was indentured servitude.

Was it me, or did it look the like the Lakers didn't even show up the game 6? It was hard to watch. Talk about a freaking blow out.

It pains me to say it, but I agree. After Posey and House hit back-to-back, wide-open threes in the second quarter, they pretty much stopped playing defense in any way. It doesn't bother me that they lost to the team that played better, since that's how it should be. It bothers me that they let themselves be embarrassed. It hurts much worse than the 2004 loss to the Pistons.

I don't think it's really a commentary on the relative strength of the Pistons or the rest of the Western Conference. I think it's a matter of the Celtics' defense thoroughly disrupting the Lakers' offense. If you think about it, it's a lot like how the Giants beat the Patriots in the last Super Bowl. The Lakers were used to running their offense a certain way and the Nuggets, Jazz and Spurs were unable to slow it down enough. The Celtics figured out how. The Lakers were used to out-rebounding their opponents, as they had almost all season, but the Celtics turned that around. Fewer rebounds meant fewer transition baskets, more half-court defense, and fewer possessions, all of which helped screw up the Lakers' scoring. The Lakers looked around at each other and said, "It's not working like it's supposed to. What's Plan B?" There was no Plan B. I'm tempted (as I was earlier today) to pin this on Phil Jackson, but one really can't expect any team to completely alter their game plan at the end of the season and expect it to succeed.

I also think the Celtics used the first few rounds to mold their team for playoff-style basketball. Most of the Celtics' rotation wasn't on the team last season, and it took them a while to gel for the postseason game. In contrast, the Lakers only got two new players in the last year that get much playing time: Ariza and Gasol. Ariza is just barely back from injury and couldn't have much impact. Gasol's arrival went so well in the regular season that no adjustments seemed necessary.

If the Celtics were playing like they did against the Hawks in the first round, the Lakers would have won the finals. I'm not saying that to take anything away from them. Championship teams get better as the playoffs go on and play their best when it's most needed. The Celtics did it and the Lakers definitely didn't.

It's amazing how much things can turn suddenly in the playoffs though. Except for Game 6, the teams were closer than they appeared. If the Lakers complete the comeback in Game 2, does the Game 4 collapse still happen? If the Lakers had won both of those games (which was not implausible), suddenly it's the Celtics that are on the ropes. But that's why the playoffs matter so much. Lose one game and the whole series can go south. You can't give away games and expect to win the title.
 
just got back from the parade.. it was ****ing awesome.

pictures coming soon
 
SuperSonics Leave Seattle

I don't really like the NBA but this is ****ing ********. **** that. I feel sorry for all the people who supported the Sonics and loved them. They have been let down by one of their own.

Oh and it's really good to see the government really uphold a legal binding document (not that this is new).

I hope Clay Bennett rots in hell. And I hope OKC is a major let down and Bennett goes broke. **** them. It would be nice to see David Stern die too.

*Phew* And I don't even like the NBA.

Edit: Read the story again, realized it wasnt the judges fault. All else stands.
 
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