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2007 Formula One Thread

Its all rubbish, its really is!

What-ever happens, between them, McLaren and Ferrari have ruined the Championship. Who-ever wins this year will have a cloud over them, waste of time.

The crazy thing is that the majority of people in Formula One know EXACTLY what is going on with the other teams. How did other know about the Renault mass-damper last year?

The best example is when BAR got penalised for the fuel tank irregularity. Their appeared to be an employee who left BAR and moved to Renault. About 2 weeks after he arrived at Renault a complaint was submitted to the FIA who checked the BAR at the first possible opportunity which happened to be the third race of the season.

What if Stepney had left Ferrari and signed for Honda, he would have just told the FIA that Ferrari had a suspect floor and they would have been asked to change things. It was just a problem that he hadn't left Ferrari at that time.
 
R.Youden said:
What-ever happens, between them, McLaren and Ferrari have ruined the Championship. Who-ever wins this year will have a cloud over them, waste of time.
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I fail to see how Ferrari can be held responsible for ruining this years championship?

R.Youden said:
How did other know about the Renault mass-damper last year?
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Because the mass-damper wasn't a secret. Other teams were running it. ;) :p

R.Youden said:
The best example is when BAR got penalised for the fuel tank irregularity. Their appeared to be an employee who left BAR and moved to Renault. About 2 weeks after he arrived at Renault a complaint was submitted to the FIA who checked the BAR at the first possible opportunity which happened to be the third race of the season.
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The FIA were actually aware of the BAR-Honda's collector from the second race of the season (Malaysia), the only reason they couldn't act before San-Marino (the 4th race of the season) was because neither BAR-Honda had finished in the points prior to this race, and thus were not required to be presented to the stewards for post race scrutineering.

There was no actual irregularity with BAR-Honda's fuel tank design, it was perfectly legal and similar systems were used by other teams.

R.Youden said:
What if Stepney had left Ferrari and signed for Honda, he would have just told the FIA that Ferrari had a suspect floor and they would have been asked to change things. It was just a problem that he hadn't left Ferrari at that time.
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He (Stepney) could have just reported the moving floor to the FIA himself this time, but he chose not to, instead he for several months continued to supply technical information to a senior member of McLaren, of which McLaren were seemingly aware, but chose not to report it to either the FIA or Ferrari until after Ferrari had begun civil proceedings.

Todt accuses McLaren of hypocrisy

Autosport said:
"A few weeks after the race in Melbourne, the McLaren team principal proposed that we should reach a sort of agreement to establish a better relationship between our two teams, thus avoiding any future denunciations to the sporting authority.

"I replied that I found it impossible to believe him, because on several occasions we had seen that certain commitments had always been disregarded by McLaren. There was an exchange of views and, believing in their good faith, I agreed to sign this agreement on 9 June last.

"Since that time and even earlier, McLaren was perfectly aware, not only of the emails sent by their informer within our company, but also of the fact that their chief designer had stayed in contact with him and had received and continued to be in possession of a significant amount of technical information that belonged to us.

"So, on the one hand, they had come to say 'let us trust one another', and on the other they were hiding serious facts such as those just stated above, but making no effort to inform us as would have been in the spirit and to the letter of our agreement."
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Unbelievable. Truly.
 
This makes McLaren look truly rotten...if what Todt says is true, how can we applaud a McLaren championship that would have been unfairly won?

Almost nothing that happens on the track matters much now - this season will be decided in court.
 
R.Youden said:
Its all rubbish, its really is!

What-ever happens, between them, McLaren and Ferrari have ruined the Championship. Who-ever wins this year will have a cloud over them, waste of time.

The crazy thing is that the majority of people in Formula One know EXACTLY what is going on with the other teams. How did other know about the Renault mass-damper last year?

The best example is when BAR got penalised for the fuel tank irregularity. Their appeared to be an employee who left BAR and moved to Renault. About 2 weeks after he arrived at Renault a complaint was submitted to the FIA who checked the BAR at the first possible opportunity which happened to be the third race of the season.

What if Stepney had left Ferrari and signed for Honda, he would have just told the FIA that Ferrari had a suspect floor and they would have been asked to change things. It was just a problem that he hadn't left Ferrari at that time.
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It really does make you wonder just how much goes on that we don't hear about.
 
mad jew said:
It really does make you wonder just how much goes on that we don't hear about.
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Oh, an awful lot. But spying and the like has been a part of the sport for as long as the sport itself has existed, but there's a fundamental difference between spying... e.g. taking photo's of the teams cars, slyly pulling out a tape measure during Parc fermé conditions etc, and being in possession of substantial IP and operational procedures of another team, for several months without reporting it to the governing body.

Angry Ferrari rule out spy appeal.

So... McLaren have got away with it. The Principals Press Conference should be something to behold should Dennis and Todt be scheduled to appear.
 
Of course at this point Ferrari will pull out all the stops, using every channel to attack McLaren any way they can...talk about a bitter rivalry.

I wonder if Stepney and Coughlan are totally finished in F1 - I can't see them joining another team and continuing on after something like this.
 
Lord Blackadder said:
Of course at this point Ferrari will pull out all the stops, using every channel to attack McLaren any way they can...
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Ferrari had better be careful, lest they get dragged up before the FIA for bringing the good name of F1 into disrepute. :rolleyes: :p

Lord Blackadder said:
I wonder if Stepney and Coughlan are totally finished in F1 - I can't see them joining another team and continuing on after something like this.
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Honda or Toyota are probably drafting up contracts as we speak... ;) Weheh.
 
Oh, I forgot to add... what with yesterday's excitement and all... but Scott Speed's out.

Shocker.
 
This is turning out to be quite the spat...

Shame about Speed, America needs a serious contender in F1 but Speed was a dud, never really challenging for anything other than mediocrity.
 
This spat is getting crazy.

Ferrari are so hypocritical, they where the biggest cheats out there. Some of the stories about what they used to do makes this look like a couple of kids passing answers between themselves in a school test.

On at least one occasion McLaren where the direct victims of this 'cheating' by Ferrari and they agreed not to pursue any legal action as Ferrari said they where not responsible for an individuals actions. Sounds familiar. So now the tables are turned Ferrari are pushing all the way to get a result. This will leave a very nasty taste for a number of years if it isn't sorted out soon.
 
On the lighter side of Formula One:
 

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After the last race when we had Murray Walker on 5 Live we now have Damon Hill on ITV (for quali at least). Unfortunately he does not replace James Allen, only Matrin Brundle.
 
Cheeky, cheeky move by Alonso?

As nasty as it was - I love it. :D Maybe we'll see a little bite or grudge back in F1 (a la Prost - Senna, Hill - Schumacher, Villeneuve - Schumacher etc.)
 
It'll sure be interesting to see what happens after that. If this was football Alonso would not be playing tomorrow simple as. Luckily for Alonso Rikki didn't get the jump on Hamilton.
 
It'll be very, very interesting to see if he's not penalised for impeding another driver. He damn well should be though.

He wasn't especially sporting against Kimi either earlier in qualifying.

I'm sorely tempted to go and put a fiver down the bookies that should it be an Alonso/Hamilton 1/2 coming up to the last stop, that McLaren will hold Alonso for the 15 or so seconds he cost Hamilton today.

If he's not brake testing people, or swerving them off the track... he's ruining qualifying for his teammate. Unbelievable.
 
Father Jack said:
Mr Denis didn't look too happy with Alonso either .. :(
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You mean when he threw his headphones down, and marched that chump down the pit lane like a naughty school boy. :p :p :p

Loved Hamilton's answer in the press conference...

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Asked how much more time he would have needed to cross the start/finish line before the end of the session, he replied:
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Hamilton said:
"About the same amount of time that I was held up in the pitstop."
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Absolutely perfect answer. :D

I was half expecting him to get out the car and knock Alonso out. I would've.
 
This season just gets better and better .... ;)

Can't wait for the race tomorrow. I'll probably be sitting in front of the TV with a large banner saying "C'mon Lewis .. beat the cheating bast*rd" .. :)
 
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