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2007 Formula One Thread
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FIA says has new evidence in spy case.
So, because of this new evidence, next weeks scheduled Court of Appeal has been cancelled, instead this will now be heard before a reconvened World Motor Sport panel.
This could offer some hints as to what maybe we could expect, if we consider the contents of their last press release;
So, because of this new evidence, next weeks scheduled Court of Appeal has been cancelled, instead this will now be heard before a reconvened World Motor Sport panel.
This could offer some hints as to what maybe we could expect, if we consider the contents of their last press release;
WMSC said:
If the title is decided in the courts we will have seen the most exciting season in years turn into a complete farce. 
Hopefully that's not the case.
Hopefully that's not the case.
If the title is decided in the courts we will have seen the most exciting season in years turn into a complete farce.
Hopefully that's not the case.
This is just a personal opinion, but I think McLaren are f**k'd.
Well, if they've lied about not having used any stolen Ferrari data, they're done and dusted and it's their fault.
But it still sucks for us fans...if Ferrari take the championship because McLaren is docked more points or totally disqualified, then the whole season doesn't mean **** as far as I'm concerned. It will be worse than the six-car USGP was.
But it still sucks for us fans...if Ferrari take the championship because McLaren is docked more points or totally disqualified, then the whole season doesn't mean **** as far as I'm concerned. It will be worse than the six-car USGP was.
I am starting to think that McLaren really are in the brown and smelly. If they have incorporated Ferrari designs into this years car, and it was widely known within the company, then they don't have a leg to stand on.
What will the penalty be?
For me there are three ways of breaking the rules in F1; bending the rules, cheating, and espionage.
Bending the rules, a-la Ferrari with the flexible floor / wings and even the Honda fuel tank, should get a slap-on-the-wrist but nothing too serious.
Cheating deliberately, well, remove all constructor championship points but allow the drivers to keep points? 2 / 3 race suspension.
Espionage, for me this is very serious. I know how I would have felt if some of the work I carried out for Honda had been used by other teams, pretty damned annoyed! Even if it is only one person who has carried out this 'espionage' then, the team as a whole is responsible for the car it puts on the grid. If they are guilty then they are in for a big penalty. Disqualification for this season for sure, and some very harsh penalty for next season, maybe no constructor points?
What will the penalty be?
For me there are three ways of breaking the rules in F1; bending the rules, cheating, and espionage.
Bending the rules, a-la Ferrari with the flexible floor / wings and even the Honda fuel tank, should get a slap-on-the-wrist but nothing too serious.
Cheating deliberately, well, remove all constructor championship points but allow the drivers to keep points? 2 / 3 race suspension.
Espionage, for me this is very serious. I know how I would have felt if some of the work I carried out for Honda had been used by other teams, pretty damned annoyed! Even if it is only one person who has carried out this 'espionage' then, the team as a whole is responsible for the car it puts on the grid. If they are guilty then they are in for a big penalty. Disqualification for this season for sure, and some very harsh penalty for next season, maybe no constructor points?
I'd hate to be Fred or Lewis in this situation, watching their championship hopes go up in smoke because of the selfish actions of a few stupid engineers.
But that is being part of a team. If you are a football team and one guy gets sent-off then you all pay the consequences. These drivers put their lives in the hands of the engineers on a daily basis so they must have some trust in them.
McLaren are really making a mess of things this season. It now appears that they ran a new light-weight gear-box in Hungary that they had not crash tested. That is yet another massive mistake by the team and although they won't be severely punished for it, it shows how much turmoil the team must be in.
Ferrari say truth will out in spy hearing.
But will we get to find out what it is as well?
Though there's been some more mutterings, suggesting that maybe/allegedly the source of the new evidence is Fred and not either Stepney or Coughlan.
Incredible if true.
But will we get to find out what it is as well?
Though there's been some more mutterings, suggesting that maybe/allegedly the source of the new evidence is Fred
and not either Stepney or Coughlan. Autosport said:
Autosport said:
Autosport said:
Autosport said:
Incredible if true.
Ferrari say truth will out in spy hearing.
But will we get to find out what it is as well?
Though there's been some more mutterings, suggesting that maybe/allegedly the source of the new evidence is Fred
Incredible if true.
So when Fred said he bought 6-tenths per lap we now know what he meant!
Indeed.
Mad Max has confirmed the new evidence has come from the McLaren drivers;
Letter confirms drivers had new evidence.
FIA/Autosport said:
The ramifications of this though...
If this is true and Alonso and De La Rosa knew about the information from Ferrari at the start of the season then they should be in BIG trouble. In my mind this is far worse than anything Schui ever did. I know what he did in Australia and Jerez was wrong, but at least he didn't deceive and cheat his way through a whole season.
Sorry Alonso but will get one big punishment and will not be welcome back by many Formula One fans.
It is a very sad state of affairs.
Sorry Alonso but will get one big punishment and will not be welcome back by many Formula One fans.
It is a very sad state of affairs.
I suppose this is Fred's way of repaying McLaren for treating him badly (as he sees it) with regards to the Lewis Hamilton row. Of course he is f***ed now as well...I can't see him getting out unscathed if he knew something all season, as R. Youden says.
I don't think this has anything to do with the Lewis Hamilton row. This email conversation with De La Rosa was supposed to have taken place just after the first race of the season when the relationship (on the outside) was still a good one. I think is more a case of Alonso showing his true colours, he is a pr*ck!
If that's the case, It's a real shame...F1 needs drivers of his caliber to be exciting, but he's not done himself any favors in his off-track behavior this season.
But what happens next??
But what happens next??
Fred in 2008
Do you think that the reason that Renault has not announced their 2008 drivers is that if McLaren are disqualified from the season that Fred might jump back to Ren? Assuming, of course, that this latest stuff will not point directly at Fred himself.
Do you think that the reason that Renault has not announced their 2008 drivers is that if McLaren are disqualified from the season that Fred might jump back to Ren? Assuming, of course, that this latest stuff will not point directly at Fred himself.
Fuji and Suzuka to share Japanese GP.
Excellent news.
Though I think I'm always going to regret not making the trip to see Schumacher at Suzuka in 2000.
Excellent news.
Though I think I'm always going to regret not making the trip to see Schumacher at Suzuka in 2000.
MP4-22 could have gained half a second thanks to Ferrari data says Brawn.
Seems like information from the court is beginning to leak out (I understand that journalists are being allowed to attend this time).
The highlights so far would appear to be that;
• There are approximately thirty e-mail exchanges between Alonso, de la Rosa and Paddy Lowe (director of engineering at McLaren)
• They all contain confidential classified information from Ferrari.
• It is said that Lowe would have explored the new technical solutions that came from the information that was obtained by Mike Coughlan via Nigel Stepney.
• Even though de la Rosa and Alonso were well-informed, it appears that they did not take an active part in cementing the new explorations.
• Using the stolen data from Ferrari could gain approximately half a second a lap, a figure estimated by Ross Brawn.
I'm not sure what time a decision can be expected, though I think that last time, a decision was reached shortly after lunch.
Though obviously this time, it would appear that Ferrari are playing a more active roll in proceedings, so I suspect this could well last for the duration of the day.
Seems like information from the court is beginning to leak out (I understand that journalists are being allowed to attend this time).
The highlights so far would appear to be that;
• There are approximately thirty e-mail exchanges between Alonso, de la Rosa and Paddy Lowe (director of engineering at McLaren)
• They all contain confidential classified information from Ferrari.
• It is said that Lowe would have explored the new technical solutions that came from the information that was obtained by Mike Coughlan via Nigel Stepney.
• Even though de la Rosa and Alonso were well-informed, it appears that they did not take an active part in cementing the new explorations.
• Using the stolen data from Ferrari could gain approximately half a second a lap, a figure estimated by Ross Brawn.
I'm not sure what time a decision can be expected, though I think that last time, a decision was reached shortly after lunch.
Though obviously this time, it would appear that Ferrari are playing a more active roll in proceedings, so I suspect this could well last for the duration of the day.