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2007 Harpertown Stoakley-Seaburg Motherboard With New Graphics Cards 8-Core Mac Pro
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Edit: More Penryn info...
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/hwdb.php?tid=837360&tp=Intel-Penryn-Preview&rid=837360
Well That New iMac Is Certainly Underpowered
Remaining Core 2 Duo only up to 2.8GHz certainly leaves the Mac Pro sitting way faster for some time to come. I'm really shocked they didn't add a Kentsfield model to the iMac line. I can't figure Apple any more. They make no sense to me.
Remaining Core 2 Duo only up to 2.8GHz certainly leaves the Mac Pro sitting way faster for some time to come. I'm really shocked they didn't add a Kentsfield model to the iMac line. I can't figure Apple any more. They make no sense to me.
Remaining Core 2 Duo only up to 2.8GHz certainly leaves the Mac Pro sitting way faster for some time to come. I'm really shocked they didn't add a Kentsfield model to the iMac line. I can't figure Apple any more. They make no sense to me.
You're the one not making sense, not Apple. Kentsfield is priced and marketed as a server class CPU, not a desktop CPU.
Remaining Core 2 Duo only up to 2.8GHz certainly leaves the Mac Pro sitting way faster for some time to come. I'm really shocked they didn't add a Kentsfield model to the iMac line. I can't figure Apple any more. They make no sense to me.
The obviously don't feel consumers need quad core, certainly not enough for Apple to sacrifce the design of the iMac. They are probably right, while many of us can use many cores for workflow or single applications, I don't think Apple's iMac audience are those. They will surely move to 8 core only Pros, really defining the gap between Pro and consumer, probably making thme a nice chunk of change at the same time.
Wrong. Kentsfield are Core 2 Quads. Like this one for example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
There are Kentsfield Xeons as well (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117129), but Kentsfield are not exclusively server chips as you stated. They are Desktop CPUs as well, in fact the price of the Q6600 just dropped to $266 a few weeks ago sending the system builders into a frenzy.
To be more clear, Kentsfield is a class of chips. Like Penryn, which has flavors in all the CPU lines. Kentsfield spans across the desktop/workstation/server line.
Some education for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentsfield#Kentsfield (yeah, I know it is Wikipedia, but I backed it up with real products!)
Kentsfield Is As Consumer Class As It Gets
You're mistaken. HP Sells a 2.4GHz 4 Core Kentsfield with 3GB of RAM, a 400GB HD, a 16x Lightscribe DL DVD±RW, Vista Home Premium and a 19" 1440 x 900 monitor for $999 and it ain't sever class at all.
Are You Upset With Apple's Mac Pro NEGLECT??
Are you upset about Apple's neglect of the Mac Pro??? Tell them about it.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macpro.html
I did.
Are you upset about Apple's neglect of the Mac Pro??? Tell them about it.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macpro.html
I did.
My Feedback To Apple
So did I:Are you upset about Apple's neglect of the Mac Pro??? Tell them about it.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macpro.html
I did.
My Feedback To Apple said:
I'm under the impression this thread will be seeing the action again now. I think Apple have shown their hand regarding the Mac Pro. I mean I guess they could suprise us next week, or the next week and so on, but I don't see it happening now.
Not taking advantage of lower Xeon pricing, next generation GPUs having proved themselves, memory prices dropping, hard drive prices lowering and other such things and making a deal out of a refreshed all 8 core Mac pro on it's one year anniversary, coupled with the addition of the RAID card, and the quickly approaching release of this thread's name sake are all huge indicators to me that they are waiting. From a business perspective I'm sure it's the best thing for them, I can't imagine that Jobs has had anything holding him back from getting something he wanted out there earlier. Not having Mac Pro sales numbers makes it harder to judge too. I guess with Apple's love of spaced out updates, things just didn't come together at the right time for them. I think it's a shame for consumers they didn't upgrade GPUs earlier. If Apple are meeting their expectations, there is surely no reason for them to do anything like satisfy a minority with GPU updates.
I also think the iMac really shows that Apple aren't concerned with gamers in the slightest, and that it's more likely the next higher end consumer card will be the 2900XT, with ATi probably offering them a better deal than Nvidia would on 8800 series cards. With who knows what as the base card and the Quadro being the FX 4600.
I'm guessing something like the following for the base system:
2 x Harpertown 2.83GHz
2GB (2x1) FB-DIMM
320GB HD iMac indicates this will surely be base, 500GB, 750GB and 1TB still offer a good source of BTO $.
8500GT, 2600XT, 8600GT I wouldn't be suprised to see any of these. I don't know if there is a GDDR3 version for the 8500, I can see that being a common thing amoung Apple GPU offerings.
Aside form the GPUs I already talked about, and the current slew of offerings, perhaps blu-ray will finally become an option.
I'm guessing these will be announced shortly before leopard and ship afterwards in November.
If the rumoured shift to 1600FSB Harpertown comes next year I think Apple will skip it, with the following update when Nehalem is available.
Despite the lack of upgrades, and my complete understanding of the various reasons to wait, I still think Apple haven't treated the Mac Pro too badly over the past year. Are there any users unhappy with the performance with correctly functioning parts? I don't seem to have seen any, though I'm sure there are a few. Potential buyers look to be screwed for years to come due to Apple's small hardware selection policies and no official indication of future release dates.
Not taking advantage of lower Xeon pricing, next generation GPUs having proved themselves, memory prices dropping, hard drive prices lowering and other such things and making a deal out of a refreshed all 8 core Mac pro on it's one year anniversary, coupled with the addition of the RAID card, and the quickly approaching release of this thread's name sake are all huge indicators to me that they are waiting. From a business perspective I'm sure it's the best thing for them, I can't imagine that Jobs has had anything holding him back from getting something he wanted out there earlier. Not having Mac Pro sales numbers makes it harder to judge too. I guess with Apple's love of spaced out updates, things just didn't come together at the right time for them. I think it's a shame for consumers they didn't upgrade GPUs earlier. If Apple are meeting their expectations, there is surely no reason for them to do anything like satisfy a minority with GPU updates.
I also think the iMac really shows that Apple aren't concerned with gamers in the slightest, and that it's more likely the next higher end consumer card will be the 2900XT, with ATi probably offering them a better deal than Nvidia would on 8800 series cards. With who knows what as the base card and the Quadro being the FX 4600.
I'm guessing something like the following for the base system:
2 x Harpertown 2.83GHz
2GB (2x1) FB-DIMM
320GB HD iMac indicates this will surely be base, 500GB, 750GB and 1TB still offer a good source of BTO $.
8500GT, 2600XT, 8600GT I wouldn't be suprised to see any of these. I don't know if there is a GDDR3 version for the 8500, I can see that being a common thing amoung Apple GPU offerings.
Aside form the GPUs I already talked about, and the current slew of offerings, perhaps blu-ray will finally become an option.
I'm guessing these will be announced shortly before leopard and ship afterwards in November.
If the rumoured shift to 1600FSB Harpertown comes next year I think Apple will skip it, with the following update when Nehalem is available.
Despite the lack of upgrades, and my complete understanding of the various reasons to wait, I still think Apple haven't treated the Mac Pro too badly over the past year. Are there any users unhappy with the performance with correctly functioning parts? I don't seem to have seen any, though I'm sure there are a few. Potential buyers look to be screwed for years to come due to Apple's small hardware selection policies and no official indication of future release dates.
Oh.. and wouldn't that just be a bitch. If they announced new mac pros but had a 4-6 week wait time on them.
I'd be interested to see the statistics of this thread.. how many people who started out as "waiting till Apple gets it right" have broken down and just bought one.
count me out
yeah, can i change my vote?
Oh.. and wouldn't that just be a bitch. If they announced new mac pros but had a 4-6 week wait time on them.
I'd be interested to see the statistics of this thread.. how many people who started out as "waiting till Apple gets it right" have broken down and just bought one.
yeah, can i change my vote?
I'm Buying A Loaded "Previously Owned" 2.66GHz Quad + 23" ACD HD To Tide Me Over
Now that I understand how to hook up all the Quad & Oct cores you can get in an office to make one giant rendering engine with QMaster and no end in sight for this weighty wait, I no longer see any reason to wait for that 8 core that I will definitely buy as soon as it ships when I have found a very good bargain for this "old" system.
Dual C2D 2.66GHz Xeon MP
5GB RAM (2x 512MB + 4x 1GB)
150GB WD Raptor 10K rpm Boot Drive
TWO 500 GB HDs
the 250GB drive that came with it
Bluetooth Module
23" Apple ACD HD
Now that I understand how to hook up all the Quad & Oct cores you can get in an office to make one giant rendering engine with QMaster and no end in sight for this weighty wait, I no longer see any reason to wait for that 8 core that I will definitely buy as soon as it ships when I have found a very good bargain for this "old" system.
Dual C2D 2.66GHz Xeon MP
5GB RAM (2x 512MB + 4x 1GB)
150GB WD Raptor 10K rpm Boot Drive
TWO 500 GB HDs
the 250GB drive that came with it
Bluetooth Module
23" Apple ACD HD
Don't Want To Queer The Deal With Too Many Details How Yet
Details after I receive it.
I bought used to, something similar. It's nice. Except for the 7300 video card. And I don't want to pay that much for a new 1900. Upgraded the RAM and drives though, so that was something.
i guess apple would rather sell you a mac pro and a display etc etc than an all in one to play games
which does seem a bit of a rip off , but there ya go
which does seem a bit of a rip off , but there ya go
i'd go for an external bluetooth usb considering the internal one is so messed up
the internal bluetooth module in my MP works wonderfully. there isn't any lag, drop in connections or weak signals. you just have to make sure the right antenna cables are attached. you can't fix a problem by not going to the root of it.
MM what's your outlook on the release dates of SS boards now?
Harpertown looks like the most reasonable update now, with updates in Oct or Nov to compliment the new OS. Would Stoakley be ready around the same time as harpertown?
My dream computer:
Harpertown
SS
2GB standard
500GB standard (I don't really care about this one.)
8500GT or other updated top gfx card
Wikipedia staes
"Harpertown is said to be a 45 nm, eight-core processor with 12 MiB of L2 cache."
Eight-core???? I thought harpertown denotes 4 core chips.
Here's the link and yes I know wiki can be wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon#Harpertown
Harpertown looks like the most reasonable update now, with updates in Oct or Nov to compliment the new OS. Would Stoakley be ready around the same time as harpertown?
My dream computer:
Harpertown
SS
2GB standard
500GB standard (I don't really care about this one.)
8500GT or other updated top gfx card
Wikipedia staes
"Harpertown is said to be a 45 nm, eight-core processor with 12 MiB of L2 cache."
Eight-core???? I thought harpertown denotes 4 core chips.
Here's the link and yes I know wiki can be wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon#Harpertown
October-November Harpertown In SS Is Probably The Soonest We Can Hope For
Mine too. I agree that should be about when with about those specs. Video card is anybody's guess but nVidea 8800GTX would be ideal. I'm thinking they will top out with the 3.16GHz speed but only if Intel can deliver that top speed to Apple in enough quantity. Otherwise 3GHz will be fine for the top and cost Apple a lot less than the other one.
It is really annoying to not know what is happening. If they pick up Clovertown after Harpertown release I would be rather annoyed. Lets hope Apple decided to skip Clovertown in favor of a nice Harpertown update.
I am partially relieved Aug. 7th brought nothing even though I want it now, as there will be better options. When I got some more details on Harpertown and what not, it seems like a better overall update. The longer the wait, in theory, the better the update will be.
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