2007 Harpertown Stoakley-Seaburg Motherboard With New Graphics Cards 8-Core Mac Pro

[Wild-Bill]

All the "mine is bigger than yours" is pathetic. Why the hell would anyone buy a MacPro to play games on. It's a workstation for bleedin sake. As in meant for work.

If you are someone who spends £1700 min on a MacPro to play games, you must be seriously lacking in your love life. Get out, go on you might like it.

If all you do is play games now and again the cards are ample.

If you really want to have a gaming machine, go back to PC's, where you can all get your rocks off over the latest FPS scores.

Funny, I don't recall ANYONE saying they were waiting to purchase a Mac Pro strictly for gaming. That argument of yours has been tried many times in this forum, and very appropriately shot down time and time again because it is ridiculous. NO ONE that I have seen on this forum has said they are getting a Mac Pro for gaming.

Since BootCamp is available it makes both fiscal and space sense to have the best of both worlds on ONE machine. People can boot into Windows when they want to game & use M$-specific apps, and use OSX for their creativity/business needs. It would be foolish to buy a separate system solely for gaming, like a PC or a console, when the Mac Pro with BootCamp can do it ALL. And for $2500 minimum you bet your buns that people want to exploit that machine for all of its capabilities.

The Mac Pro is now Apple's oldest and most neglected piece of hardware in their lineup. Many people say they've lost their focus with the iPhone (hello Leopard delays??). Regardless of what people's opinions are on the matter, the Mac Pro has not been updated in 13 months. A dual-quad core configuration is just that - a configuration, an option, NOT an update. And the $999 RAID card??? Don't get me started.

And there are plenty of things they could have updated. At the top of the list are the antiquated video cards. Next would be a price cut since the Woodcrests and Clovertons have come down in price since August of last year, and let's not forget that FB-DIMMs are cheaper than they were 13 months ago as well. Yet iPhone users get a price break after two months..

Apple has lost its focus and clearly does not care about the Mac Pro line. They've had many opportunities to update the line and squandered them all.

The name change to "Apple Inc." is further proof they are more interested in consumer gadgets and iPods. When was Leopard supposed to come out again?? It was so long ago I forgot.

 

[Pressure]

The Mac Pro is now Apple's oldest and most neglected piece of hardware in their lineup. Many people say they've lost their focus with the iPhone (hello Leopard delays??). Regardless of what people's opinions are on the matter, the Mac Pro has not been updated in 13 months. A dual-quad core configuration is just that - a configuration, an option, NOT an update. And the $999 RAID card??? Don't get me started.

And there are plenty of things they could have updated. At the top of the list are the antiquated video cards. Next would be a price cut since the Woodcrests and Clovertons have come down in price since August of last year, and let's not forget that FB-DIMMs are cheaper than they were 13 months ago as well. Yet iPhone users get a price break after two months..

Apple has lost its focus and clearly does not care about the Mac Pro line. They've had many opportunities to update the line and squandered them all.

The name change to "Apple Inc." is further proof they are more interested in consumer gadgets and iPods. When was Leopard supposed to come out again?? It was so long ago I forgot.

Now now, have a little faith! Good things will come to us

Not if but when is the question

 

[G4DP]

You lot make me laugh

This place is funny.

You guys gloat about Microsoft OS' being poor and bloated because it has to spport so much variation is hardware. And grin like cheshire cats that MacOSX just works. Why do you think that is?

If Apple openeded up some of the system to outside devlopers you'd be the first ones to complain when things didn't work. Alot of members say, if they allowed just a few cards. Some competition laws in countries state that it has to be all or nothing. Do you guys really want OSX to end up like XP or Vista?

Didn't think so.

And don't reply by saying that Microsoft OS's are just crap. If they could be more focused they could match Apple. And you fooling yourselvs if you think otherwise.

 

[Iscariot]

And don't reply by saying that Microsoft OS's are just crap. If they could be more focused they could match Apple. And you fooling yourselvs if you think otherwise.

Microsoft has chosen it's style of focus, it's not something they do out of necessity. Consider how many different "versions" of XP there were. How many there are of Vista. Student versions of Office, etc. If Microsoft was willing to sacrifice some profit margins by making less demographic (and price-point) specific products, they could certainly craft a better overall series of products.

Microsoft also suffers from a strong case of featuritis, which Apple likely escape by being a smaller company, which allows for a greater level of integration across the board.

I don't think you can make a sweeping statement about Windows OS being the way it is simply because it's "more open" to outside developers, when their development cycles, business models and customer relations are so vastly different.

 

[G4DP]

Let me clarify, by more focused, I mean for example concentrating on specific areas instead of having their fingers in every pie.

 

[jasonvp]

Funny, I don't recall ANYONE saying they were waiting to purchase a Mac Pro strictly for gaming. That argument of yours has been tried many times in this forum, and very appropriately shot down time and time again because it is ridiculous. NO ONE that I have seen on this forum has said they are getting a Mac Pro for gaming.

Not from what I've read. I see plenty of people complaining about the lack of DX10 capable cards for the Mac Pro. Question: why do folks need DX10 cards in a Mac? Answer: to play games under windows/bootcamp?

It makes way more sense to have a separate machine for your gaming, rather than dual-boot your Mac. I mean, what a waste of a Mac, booting it into Windows. Come on! Leave Windows for the PC hardware: significantly higher video card selection, significantly higher sound card selection, as well as support for all sorts of other hardware and software.

And, when the next, hot video card appears on the market, you can buy it up and it'll instantly work in the PC under Windows.

It would be foolish to buy a separate system solely for gaming, like a PC or a console, when the Mac Pro with BootCamp can do it ALL.

Well, call me foolish then. I'll never game on my Mac. I have gaming rig built specifically for that: gaming. It does nothing else (no web surfing, email reading, etc. JUST games). When the next video card comes out, I can buy it up, install it in my PC, and game even faster than I could before. Why on earth would i want to take my Mac, a work horse, and reboot it to Windows so I can play some games?

jas

 

[suneohair]

Not from what I've read. I see plenty of people complaining about the lack of DX10 capable cards for the Mac Pro. Question: why do folks need DX10 cards in a Mac? Answer: to play games under windows/bootcamp?

It makes way more sense to have a separate machine for your gaming, rather than dual-boot your Mac. I mean, what a waste of a Mac, booting it into Windows. Come on! Leave Windows for the PC hardware: significantly higher video card selection, significantly higher sound card selection, as well as support for all sorts of other hardware and software.

And, when the next, hot video card appears on the market, you can buy it up and it'll instantly work in the PC under Windows.



Well, call me foolish then. I'll never game on my Mac. I have gaming rig built specifically for that: gaming. It does nothing else (no web surfing, email reading, etc. JUST games). When the next video card comes out, I can buy it up, install it in my PC, and game even faster than I could before. Why on earth would i want to take my Mac, a work horse, and reboot it to Windows so I can play some games?

jas

Well there are means by which one can play Windows games inside OS X. I am sure over time that will get better. So one wouldn't have to dual boot Windows.

Also, Mac OS games are growing faster it seems. New video cards support newer games. We can drop the Windows assumption here. The Mac Pro needs to be updated. End of story. It has been touched twice: Once to add the 8-core option, and the RAID card. Thats it. I am not going ot go over the exhaustive list of things hat have come out since and that will be out shortly. Suffice it to say (again), regardless of Windows, Windows Games, ability of the Mac Pro now, price, etc, the Mac Pro still warrants an update.

I am sure most, as I, don't like the assumptions you are making. I want a DX10, not because I play games, but because their are new cards out. And they have been for some time. I am not going to buy a Mac Pro with a card that is well over a year old.

Also, just because you wouldn't want to boot into Windows on your Mac does not mean others don't. This elitist, "Why would you run Windows on a Mac?" is just that, elitist. It is their computer. Not yours. If you want to buy a Mac and a gaming PC. WHatever makes you happy. But, I would rather have one machine. Of coure that is my preference. And I am not about to ask a question as to why you do what you do, as if it is the wrong way.

To the other guy, G4DP, you are way off topic. Head somewhere else to chat about Windows and developers. We are talking about hardware.

 

[Tracer]

Odds are we'll see the ATI 2900XT, or the 8800GTX.

Nvidia on the low end, ATI on the high end.

Maybe a 8600GTS on the low end?

Let the Speculating Begin.

Tracer

 

[darthraige]

And if there is no update to the MacPro til next Summer?

 

[Tracer]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

 

[jasonvp]

I am sure most, as I, don't like the assumptions you are making. I want a DX10, not because I play games, but because their are new cards out.

You want DX10 "because their[sic] are new cards out?" That makes absolutely no sense at all. You buy the new card to support DX10. Not the other way around. So you want a new card that supports DX10. Great. Why?

To run under bootcamp and Windblows? Does OS X support DX10? (rhetorical question). What do you need or want DX10 for?

Games?

jas

 

[suneohair]

You want DX10 "because their[sic] are new cards out?" That makes absolutely no sense at all. You buy the new card to support DX10. Not the other way around. So you want a new card that supports DX10. Great. Why?

To run under bootcamp and Windblows? Does OS X support DX10? (rhetorical question). What do you need or want DX10 for?

Games?

jas

So, by the same argument. Why do we now have a DX9 card now? Is that because that is what was out at the time? Why does the iMac now have DX10 cards? Macbook Pro?

You can argue the games all you want, but the fact of that matter is the Mac Pro is outdated. I am not going to buy an outdated computer, with outdated cards, cpus, etc. Simple as that. When November comes around and we have Harpertown, that is all the more reason not to buy if an update hasn't come by that point. (Which I can only hope Apple is waiting for.)

OS X support for DX10 is irrelevant here. Because again, why update other computers in the lineup with them if OS X doesn't support what they are giving us? By your argument we should just be using what, 32MB Geforce cards? I am not seeing your point here. I can't have a DX10 card because it means I want to play games? I surely hope you can see the flaw in that argument.

Also, DX10 is a quick way to sum up the type of cards we want. The use of that term has clearly confused you into thinking we (or I) want DX10 specifically. Instead of assuming, maybe you should ask us what we mean. Some people want to play games here, I know that, you know that, and they want to do it with their Mac Pro. There is nothing wrong with that, and you pulling this "Winblows" trash isn't going to change their mind. I want new cards because I want an updated computer. Regardless of my use of DX10, I want value for my money. Maybe that will clear this up for you and you can move on.

 

[krunk]

Not from what I've read. I see plenty of people complaining about the lack of DX10 capable cards for the Mac Pro. Question: why do folks need DX10 cards in a Mac? Answer: to play games under windows/bootcamp?

It makes way more sense to have a separate machine for your gaming, rather than dual-boot your Mac. I mean, what a waste of a Mac, booting it into Windows. Come on! Leave Windows for the PC hardware: significantly higher video card selection, significantly higher sound card selection, as well as support for all sorts of other hardware and software.

And, when the next, hot video card appears on the market, you can buy it up and it'll instantly work in the PC under Windows.



Well, call me foolish then. I'll never game on my Mac. I have gaming rig built specifically for that: gaming. It does nothing else (no web surfing, email reading, etc. JUST games). When the next video card comes out, I can buy it up, install it in my PC, and game even faster than I could before. Why on earth would i want to take my Mac, a work horse, and reboot it to Windows so I can play some games?

jas

As I stated before:

If you love working in the osx/unix environment, but also like playing games it's cheaper to buy a mac pro then to buy a mac pro and a gaming machine.

Currently my workstation is sufficient for the work I do. However, since it is ppc based I cannot use it for the dual purposes of work and play (to the extent that I want). The Mac Pro would provide a significant performance increase for me...but not quite enough to warrant buying one with outdated peripherals I desire for my hobbies. . . . so I eagerly wait for the Mac Pro update that will resolve this.

The frustration that some of us experience is because our need is not quite at the "if you need it, buy it and deal" level, yet the upgrades that would push the gains up enough to outweigh our reservations are long overdue.

There is further frustration in the promise in the Mac Pro to suite all our desires as a top notch work and play station and the only thing holding it back is a few drivers for year old tech.

I should say this isn't insane frustration that leads to secret cutting and crying ourselves to sleep...it's merely a "come on, come onnnn, do it. We know you can, do it..." that will eventually lead to a "YES!!" when they do.

 

[darthraige]

Ok, so I just got Final Cut Studio 2. Now I just need a computer to use it on, since it won't play on my POSM. I'm getting really tempted to buy a MP right now. Don't know what to do for the 14th time.

 

[bigbird]

Ok, so I just got Final Cut Studio 2. Now I just need a computer to use it on, since it won't play on my POSM. I'm getting really tempted to buy a MP right now. Don't know what to do for the 14th time.

The same thing you did from the 1st to 13th time?
Seriously, if you need to use FCS2 right now, then get a current MP. If you can wait, then wait.

 

[darthraige]

The same thing you did from the 1st to 13th time?
Seriously, if you need to use FCS2 right now, then get a current MP. If you can wait, then wait.

Well, I did tell myself to wait until Leopard comes out, that way I can get it for free. So I will definitely wait until then. So hopefully rumors float around by then for an updated MP to come out.

 

[slughead]

I can't believe there are still people talking about whether or not the Mac Pro is out of date.

I'm not going to restate my position, apart from saying that this is a stupid argument between people who have already made up their minds and aren't going to change them.

You can't prove that the Mac Pro should be upgraded because that's just your opinion. At the same time, the rest of the industry is undeniably moving quicker to upgrade their machines than Apple, which gives some of us reason to believe Apple is too slow.

Both of these viewpoints are subjective and can't really be argued logically. It boils down, as far as I can tell, to "APPLE IS SCREWING US ON PRICE!" Vs "YOU'RE A WHINY LITTLE B*TCH! APPLE4EVAH!"

That's why many posts on this subject get deleted, and probably rightfully so.

 

[suneohair]

I can't believe there are still people talking about whether or not the Mac Pro is out of date.

I'm not going to restate my position, apart from saying that this is a stupid argument between people who have already made up their minds and aren't going to change them.

You can't prove that the Mac Pro should be upgraded because that's just your opinion. At the same time, the rest of the industry is undeniably moving quicker to upgrade their machines than Apple, which gives some of us reason to believe Apple is too slow.

Both of these viewpoints are subjective and can't really be argued logically. It boils down, as far as I can tell, to "APPLE IS SCREWING US ON PRICE!" Vs "YOU'RE A WHINY LITTLE B*TCH! APPLE4EVAH!"

That's why many posts on this subject get deleted, and probably rightfully so.

I guess that is one opinion

 

[Eidorian]

HD 2900 GT/Pro
http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?shownews=15701

8700 GTS (G92)
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/13160

 

[MacinDoc]

I can't believe there are still people talking about whether or not the Mac Pro is out of date.

I'm not going to restate my position, apart from saying that this is a stupid argument between people who have already made up their minds and aren't going to change them.

You can't prove that the Mac Pro should be upgraded because that's just your opinion. At the same time, the rest of the industry is undeniably moving quicker to upgrade their machines than Apple, which gives some of us reason to believe Apple is too slow.

Both of these viewpoints are subjective and can't really be argued logically. It boils down, as far as I can tell, to "APPLE IS SCREWING US ON PRICE!" Vs "YOU'RE A WHINY LITTLE B*TCH! APPLE4EVAH!"

That's why many posts on this subject get deleted, and probably rightfully so.

For 1 year, there has been no significant update in the Mac Pro specs (aside from the availability of quad core processors at a significantly higher price) or any reduction in the price, so I would have to say that the current model is either out of date or overpriced. An update is definitely overdue, and will likely come with Penryn in November (or possibly with OS X 10.5 at the end of October if Apple gets an exclusive release again).

 

[darthraige]

For 1 year, there has been no significant update in the Mac Pro specs (aside from the availability of quad core processors at a significantly higher price) or any reduction in the price, so I would have to say that the current model is either out of date or overpriced. An update is definitely overdue, and will likely come with Penryn in November (or possibly with OS X 10.5 at the end of October if Apple gets an exclusive release again).

Exactly. I use the MacPro 2x2.66 Dual Core at work with 5gigs memory, and the friggin thing is slow. I guess I just got use to it and feel something faster should come out now. We better hope it comes out in October/November. I think it will come with Leopard.

 

[Multimedia]

Hang In There • Only About 60 Days Left

Ok, so I just got Final Cut Studio 2. Now I just need a computer to use it on, since it won't play on my POSM. I'm getting really tempted to buy a MP right now. Don't know what to do for the 14th time.

Only thing you can do that makes economic sense is to try and find a previously owned one for a bargain. We're almost down to a week until the Intel Developer's Forum Sept. 18-20 and two weeks 'til the start of Paris Apple Expo Sept. 25-29.

Leopard October 26 (my estimate).

Worst case is probably mid November.

 

[darthraige]

Only thing you can do that makes economic sense is to try and find a previously owned one for a bargain. We're almost down to a week until the Intel Developer's Forum Sept. 18-20 and two weeks 'til the start of Paris Apple Expo Sept. 25-29.

Leopard October 26 (my estimate).

Worst case is probably mid November.

And if Apple surprises us all with a MP in Paris? My guess at this point would be Paris Expo for a new MP. Apple changes the main web page every three weeks or so. And it would be just in time to switch come Paris. So let's just hope they get the stuff early and surprise us. Apple would want everyone to buy Leopard anyway rather than getting it for free on a new system.

 

[ziwi]

And if Apple surprises us all with a MP in Paris? My guess at this point would be Paris Expo for a new MP. Apple changes the main web page every three weeks or so. And it would be just in time to switch come Paris. So let's just hope they get the stuff early and surprise us. Apple would want everyone to buy Leopard anyway rather than getting it for free on a new system.

Then we can all be happy

 

[Sean Dempsey]

Then we can all be happy

I guess you could say we're all pretty "stoaked" for this announcement?