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2007 Harpertown Stoakley-Seaburg Motherboard With New Graphics Cards 8-Core Mac Pro
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Would there even be a MacPro announcement tomorrow? Even if there is an Apple event in the UK? Wouldn't it be odd to have to events separated from each other?
Not An Apple Announcement, An Intel Announcement
Otherwise we can expect to have to wait until the January 15th SteveNote.
BTW FYI This is the first year in many that the January 7-10 Las Vegas CES is distinctly apart in time from the January 14-18 San Francisco MacWorld, the week after CES, making it much easier for all the press to cover both fully.
We're not expecting a Mac Pro announcement. What we're looking for is a clue from Intel that Harpertowns with 1.6GHz FSB will be shipping early or mid 4th Quarter, which starts in two weeks, rather than late in the 4th quarter - December. Just looking for a bone to chew on not the real tempe & potatoes. As long as they're out by November, HSS MP should hit the Apple store that month. We're searching for crumbs of evidence it's going to quickly follow Leopard's release Friday October 26 (my guess).
Otherwise we can expect to have to wait until the January 15th SteveNote.
BTW FYI This is the first year in many that the January 7-10 Las Vegas CES is distinctly apart in time from the January 14-18 San Francisco MacWorld, the week after CES, making it much easier for all the press to cover both fully.
Buckle Up: It is Penryn Inside!
Buckle Up: It is Penryn Inside!
Intel Senior Fellow Steve Pawlowski and Intel Fellow Ofri Wechsler are teaming up once again and returning to IDF to provide deep technical insight on the Intel® Core2 processor family codenamed Penryn. The Penryn processor family is based on our industry-leading 45-nanometer (nm) Hi-k metal gate silicon technology and our latest microarchitecture enhancements.
This Technology Insight will provide you with details on the processors architecture, cache and instruction set enhancement as well as expanded power management capabilities for new levels of energy efficiency.
This session will also show you how these features and capabilities serve todays highly demanding usage models ranging from mobility platforms to mission critical servers to High Performance Computing.
Attendees will also get a birds eye view of the next-generation Intel® microprocessor codenamed Nehalem that continues Intels tick-tock cadence that is extending the pace of innovation to industry innovators for true user benefits.
Buckle Up: It is Penryn Inside!
Tuesday, September 18, 2007
2:00 p.m.2:50 p.m.
2:00 p.m.2:50 p.m.
Intel Senior Fellow Steve Pawlowski and Intel Fellow Ofri Wechsler are teaming up once again and returning to IDF to provide deep technical insight on the Intel® Core2 processor family codenamed Penryn. The Penryn processor family is based on our industry-leading 45-nanometer (nm) Hi-k metal gate silicon technology and our latest microarchitecture enhancements.
This Technology Insight will provide you with details on the processors architecture, cache and instruction set enhancement as well as expanded power management capabilities for new levels of energy efficiency.
This session will also show you how these features and capabilities serve todays highly demanding usage models ranging from mobility platforms to mission critical servers to High Performance Computing.
Attendees will also get a birds eye view of the next-generation Intel® microprocessor codenamed Nehalem that continues Intels tick-tock cadence that is extending the pace of innovation to industry innovators for true user benefits.
Let Us Know The First Time You Hear The Word Harpertown Aiden
I'll settle for Harpertown SS Aiden. Can't wait forever. I've already pushed the Quad MP way past its limits. Couldn't even do 3 things at once without causing OSX to crash:
1. Upload a video file.
2. Import a HDV stream from a camera.
3. Transcode an AIC file with Toast to a DVD image.
Boom! The whole thing collapsed. OSX failed. Got the grey screen with the reboot notification. Then it rebooted by itself which I thought was a nice touch.
Now to me that seems like a very simple set of things to be doing simultaneously and the last thing I expected was to cause a catastrophic collapse of the entire platform. So my need for 8 smart cores with Leopard appears to be quite acute.
I can't find the word Harpertown anywhere in the pre-show session descriptions. Let us know if anyone utters it Aiden.So MM - gonna wait for Nehalem, or settle for "old technology" Penryn?
I'll settle for Harpertown SS Aiden. Can't wait forever. I've already pushed the Quad MP way past its limits. Couldn't even do 3 things at once without causing OSX to crash:
1. Upload a video file.
2. Import a HDV stream from a camera.
3. Transcode an AIC file with Toast to a DVD image.
Boom! The whole thing collapsed. OSX failed. Got the grey screen with the reboot notification. Then it rebooted by itself which I thought was a nice touch.
Now to me that seems like a very simple set of things to be doing simultaneously and the last thing I expected was to cause a catastrophic collapse of the entire platform. So my need for 8 smart cores with Leopard appears to be quite acute.
Personally, I could not care less for that in particular.
I would much rather have the base model being 8-core (Harpertown with 1333Mhz Front Side Bus but if they give us the ones with a 1600Mhz Front Side Bus I am not going to argue) with better graphic options, 2GB base memory and more storage.
Why?
I think a Mac Pro with a 1333MHz FSB Harpertown may come out faster but I thought the 1600MHz FSB Harpertown would be a little better than the 1333MHz FSB.
I need the Mac Pro asap so I'll take the 1333MHz FSB Harpertown.
A real crash is an OSX bug or perhaps broken hardware, not something that will be fixed with a hardware update.
An octo-core may simply crash faster for you, or crash when you do 4 things instead of 3.
Run your system diagnostics, especially memory tests. If the hardware is OK, bring the issue to Apple's attention - they should be very interested that you can reliably do A+B+C=panic.
Because the performance delta between the two different Front Side Buses are going to be negligible in real world usage. Sure it may be a few percentage faster but I would much rather have the new Mac Pro faster than having to wait till 2008.
I wouldn't complain if it did indeed come with 1600Mhz Front Side Bus processors though
I don't know what/where Apple has on the OSX disc set, but Memtest86 is a good general memory diagnostic for Intel systems.
Free download of a bootable ISO is at:
http://www.memtest86.com/download.html
Aye, just read it
Comparing the old V8 (two Xeon 5365 3.0Ghz Quad-Core) against two 3.0Ghz Quad-core Harpertowns with 1600Mhz Front Side Bus
If I have to wait until January, I'm gonna be pissed. It better ship with Leopard in October.
I can't find the word Harpertown anywhere in the pre-show session descriptions. Let us know if anyone utters it Aiden.
I'll settle for Harpertown SS Aiden. Can't wait forever. I've already pushed the Quad MP way past its limits. Couldn't even do 3 things at once without causing OSX to crash:
1. Upload a video file.
2. Import a HDV stream from a camera.
3. Transcode an AIC file with Toast to a DVD image.
Boom! The whole thing collapsed. OSX failed. Got the grey screen with the reboot notification. Then it rebooted by itself which I thought was a nice touch.
Now to me that seems like a very simple set of things to be doing simultaneously and the last thing I expected was to cause a catastrophic collapse of the entire platform. So my need for 8 smart cores with Leopard appears to be quite acute.
A system crash is not a hardware issue. Or I should say, it has nothing to do with the power of your hardware. Either you have defective hardware, like bad ram, or more likely one of the programs your using is defective. Even software bugs should never cause a kernel panic (grey screen of death).
This most commonly occurs when a program installs a buggy kernel extension. Check your Crash Report Logs and file a bug report on the offending program. I'd wager if you intentionally caused the panic a few times, the culprit would be consistent.
OSX running on Nehalem
Otellini just mentioned that OSX has booted on Nehalem.
They have a Windows system on Nehalem onstage.
8 cores, 16 logical processors (hyperthreading) per die for Nehalem.
Dual socket system would be 32 logical CPUs.
Otellini just mentioned that OSX has booted on Nehalem.
They have a Windows system on Nehalem onstage.
8 cores, 16 logical processors (hyperthreading) per die for Nehalem.
Dual socket system would be 32 logical CPUs.
Please can someone explain the key advances of Nehalem over Penryn? I am an idiot when it comes to these things.
It will be based on a 45nm fabrication process at first (later 32nm), have an integrated memory controller that will reduce latency even further. It will have between 4 to 8 physical cores capable of running two threads each (effectively it can function as a processor with 8 to 16 cores).
Overall memory bandwidth to each core will increase, making them be far more effective compared to todays processors from Intel (AMD already has processors with integrated memory controllers).
The aging Front Side Bus will also be replaced with a new pont-to-point interconnect called Intel Quickpath Interconnect (also known as CSI - Common System Interface).
A sixteen core, thirty-two thread Mac Pro doesn't sound like enough of an advance?
Will these fit a Penryn Xeon socket?
Don't know - but Intel's history is to overlap chipsets across two processor generations.
Since SS supports Clovertown and Harpertown, it would be unlikely that Nehalem will plug in.
More likely, there will be another chipset generation that supports both Harpertown and the dual-socket variant of Nehalem.
Note, though, that the change to FSB architecture might make it impossible to have any socket compatibility.
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Right now, they're showing a quad core overclocked to 5.6 GHz running a Mercenaries game clip. (Cryo-cooling)
Interesting....the article got pulled until 2 p.m. SanFran time, according to my attempt to view it at 1:10 p.m. Eastern time.
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