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You're telling me. Every time I am at a game and sing the fight song, I cringe a bit inside because of the lyrics. Who came up with those?

P-Worm

You gotta be kiddin me... is this really it??

"Utah Man"

I am a Utah Man, sir, and I live across the green,
Our gang it is the jolliest that you have ever seen.
Our coeds are the fairest and each one's a shining star,
Our yell, you'll hear it ringing through the mountains near and far!
Who am I, sir,
A Utah Man am I!
A Utah Man, sir,
Will be 'til I die.
Ki-yi!
We're up to snuff, we never bluff, we're game for any fuss.
No other gang of college men dare meet us in a muss.
So fill your lungs and sing it out and shout it to the sky,
We'll fight for dear old crimson for a Utah Man am I!
Ki-yi!


That is reason enough to ban you from a National Championship game!

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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You gotta be kiddin me... is this really it??

"Utah Man"

I am a Utah Man, sir, and I live across the green,
Our gang it is the jolliest that you have ever seen.
Our coeds are the fairest and each one's a shining star,
Our yell, you'll hear it ringing through the mountains near and far!
Who am I, sir,
A Utah Man am I!
A Utah Man, sir,
Will be 'til I die.
Ki-yi!
We're up to snuff, we never bluff, we're game for any fuss.
No other gang of college men dare meet us in a muss.
So fill your lungs and sing it out and shout it to the sky,
We'll fight for dear old crimson for a Utah Man am I!
Ki-yi!


That is reason enough to ban you from a National Championship game!

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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I know. Please don't rub it in. :(

P-Worm
 
Heh heh.

I'm sorry, but as much as I enjoyed Utah putting the beat-down on the SEC last night I still don't think they deserve to be National Champs. They had an absolutely amazing season, and arguably deserve #2 or 3, but definitely not #1.

Utah didn't have a single quality road win. And, please, don't bring up Michigan because you're comparing yourself to Toledo when you do that, and that certainly doesn't help your cause.

Okay, so let's look at the "quality" wins that every Utah fan goes on about...

First, Oregon State. Why was this win so important? I just don't get it. Oregon State was not great this year. They were good, definitely, but not great. And Utah still barely scraped by with a last second field goal... at home! Oregon State barely tied with Oregon for #2 in the PAC-10. If you look at their overall record then they're listed as #3. This wasn't a quality win. What I find ironic is that Utah fans use the Oregon State win as a measurement of success because the Beavers beat mighty USC. And then in the next sentence they say USC isn't very good. Okay.. (and this is for you, badandy) so if USC isn't any good, then why is beating a team that beat USC the best win of your season?

Next comes BYU. BYU's ranking was so overinflated it was pathetic, and everyone knows it. I honestly think BYU's fall from grace hurt Utah more than anything else. TCU exposed BYU and everyone realized BYU wasn't that great of a team to begin with. Suddenly beating BYU doesn't mean much.

The last win is TCU, and this was the only real quality win of the season. But it's a good thing the MWC is tucked away on worthless cable channels, or everyone that votes would have seen how absolutely ugly that game really was.

I don't want to sound like I'm just ripping on Utah, because I'm absolutely overjoyed that Utah won! It's a win for all of the non-BCS, and I love it when we stand up with the "big boys" and we're the last ones standing at the end of the game.

But at the same time I hate it when non-BCS fans automatically assume we belong at the top because we won our Bowl Game and are the only undefeated team in the country when we do. Boise State did it in '06-'07, but they still didn't deserve to be #1.

Take your Bowl win as another step in the right direction, and use it to reload (not rebuild) next year and finish in the top ten again! I think that's the difference between great teams and good teams. Great teams are able to take a "rebuilding" year and simply reload. You shouldn't have to wait every four years to have a great team.

Again, I think it's awesome that Utah won, and the MWC had a great season. But can they keep it up? Utah really needs to step up this offseason and reload for next year. Do that and you'll be treated with more respect.

Just my opinion, of course.

:)
 
<snip intelligent, well thought out post>

Good job evilgEEk
You give a solid, balanced look at things

Utah had a great year and a great win over 'Bama

I think it was Barry Switzer that said,
"Bama wanted to be in the National Championship game and Utah wanted to be in the Sugar Bowl and it showed."


Woof, Woof - Dawg
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missing wells in the usc game really hurt ohio state. everyone knows you can run all over usc. oregon state did, we did with backups, stanford did, arizona put up 100, etc...

Of course it hurt Ohio State. He's a good running back, but to say that anyone can run all over us is absolutely ridiculous. 'Quiz Rodgers, in case no one has seen him play, is an incredible running back. I don't mean alright, I mean incredible. The only reason you did is because we had respect for Paterno and didn't play the second half. You didn't notice? Really?

and now that pryor has experience he would have done a lot of damage on usc.

35-3. Stop defending the Big-10, it's not worthy of it.

Oh, and you know why we had a 1.7 yard average against you guys? It could be because OUR extremely elusive tailback Joe McKnight was injured early in the game. Say all you want about three of our backs having 600+ yard seasons, but Joe McKnight's purpose is to spread the defense even when we're running. You guys were so scared of us running you shut that part down. Unfortunately you can't protect the pass worth ****.

Stop making excuses. Your figurehead coach didn't have your team ready to play, and it wouldn't have mattered if he did. Just leave the thread and try to console yourself with your two token second half touchdowns. This game was over the second it the matchup was announced and for anyone to think otherwise (that includes you, MacDawg) was ridiculous.
 
I think we will get one starting 2011 season, designed in a way to minimize interference with college exam finals (the biggest gripe by college presidents against a playoff).

I see it working like this:

1) Season starts on its current scheduled start dates.
2) Regular season will be eleven games long.
3) There will be NO rankings until last Saturday of September or first Saturday of October.
4) First BCS rankings come out two weeks after first rankings.
5) After 11 games, first and second ranked teams in conference (or conference division winners) play in conference championship games.
6) Top eight ranked teams will be picked out to play first elimination game regardless of if they won conference championship or not.
7) Matchups will be #1 vs. #8, #2 vs. #7, #3 vs. #6 and #4 vs #5, with the higher-ranked teams hosting the games. This will happen at the end of the first weekend in December.
8) On New Year's Day, the winners of these four games will be reseeded #1 to #4, with #1 vs #4 and #2 vs #3 in two BCS bowl games.
9) One week later, the winners of these two BCS bowl games play for the championship.

This is by far the best plan and offers these advantages:

1) It has no interference with college exam finals, as mentioned earlier.
2) It may even tilt the balance of power back to schools located in northern climates (who'd want to play at possibly Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Penn State or a northern-location Big East school in early December for the first elimination game if we have the potential for really bad winter weather?).

that's a great plan, expect i don't like #5. it makes the regular season worthless. refer to conference tournaments in basketball. all that work in the regular season to waste because some 10-20 team strung up 3 wins in a tourney.

also, i would do a 16 team tourney, with the finals occurring jan. 2nd. and i wouldn't want the balance of power going back up north, too cold up there.
 
Of course it hurt Ohio State. He's a good running back, but to say that anyone can run all over us is absolutely ridiculous. 'Quiz Rodgers, in case no one has seen him play, is an incredible running back. I don't mean alright, I mean incredible. The only reason you did is because we had respect for Paterno and didn't play the second half. You didn't notice? Really?



35-3. Stop defending the Big-10, it's not worthy of it.

Oh, and you know why we had a 1.7 yard average against you guys? It could be because OUR extremely elusive tailback Joe McKnight was injured early in the game. Say all you want about three of our backs having 600+ yard seasons, but Joe McKnight's purpose is to spread the defense even when we're running. You guys were so scared of us running you shut that part down. Unfortunately you can't protect the pass worth ****.

Stop making excuses. Your figurehead coach didn't have your team ready to play, and it wouldn't have mattered if he did. Just leave the thread and try to console yourself with your two token second half touchdowns. This game was over the second it the matchup was announced and for anyone to think otherwise (that includes you, MacDawg) was ridiculous.

stop defending quiz, he is not that good. i saw him in person, not that good. No one saw him play? You guys played him two weeks after us and he put up 186 on you, 99 on us. you guys just suck at defending the run. you let stanford put up over 200 on you...
 
i think an issue with the plan is the money:

do you think the sugar, orange, fiesta, rose bowls will give up those teams traveling to their venues and stimulating the local economy? while it'd be fun to see an nfl style best teams host playoff games, it is pretty unrealistic.
 
Stop making excuses. Your figurehead coach didn't have your team ready to play, and it wouldn't have mattered if he did. Just leave the thread and try to console yourself with your two token second half touchdowns. This game was over the second it the matchup was announced and for anyone to think otherwise (that includes you, MacDawg) was ridiculous.

Ha, Ha... lighten up a little Badandy, I've given USC plenty of kudos in this thread! You would have said the same thing before the Oregon State game too. Picking against your precious Trojans isn't always ridiculous. As far as I can tell, USC usually loses at least one or two games every year to inferior opponents.

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You gotta be kiddin me... is this really it??

"Utah Man"

I am a Utah Man, sir, and I live across the green,
Our gang it is the jolliest that you have ever seen.
Our coeds are the fairest and each one's a shining star,
Our yell, you'll hear it ringing through the mountains near and far!
Who am I, sir,
A Utah Man am I!
A Utah Man, sir,
Will be 'til I die.
Ki-yi!
We're up to snuff, we never bluff, we're game for any fuss.
No other gang of college men dare meet us in a muss.
So fill your lungs and sing it out and shout it to the sky,
We'll fight for dear old crimson for a Utah Man am I!
Ki-yi!


That is reason enough to ban you from a National Championship game!

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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i love Fum's song

Fum's Song

I'll sing you a song of college days
And tell you where to go
Aggie's where your knowledge is
Boulder spends your dough.

CC for your sissy boys
And Utah for your times
DU for your ministers
For drunkards, School of Mines.

Don't send my boy to Wyoming U
A dying mother said
Don't send him to old Brigham Young
I'd rather see him dead.

But send him to our Aggies
It's better than Cornell
Before I'd see him in Boulder
I'd see my son in hell!


After years of CSU singing this (not their fight song though as thats another one) CSU decided to not allow it anymore as I guess some people found it offensive

a story on it
 
stop defending quiz, he is not that good. i saw him in person, not that good.

In two years he will be in the Heisman discussion. Guaranteed.

you guys just suck at defending the run. you let stanford put up over 200 on you...

Yup, our defense sucks. That's what everyone was telling me throughout the season but I was just too blinded by bias to see it.

By the way, running yards tend to get inflated when you've already won the game in the first half and you don't need to play the second half. I love all the Penn State fans: We put up 400 yard on USC!!!11

Look, it's not my fault your school has a has-been, figure-head football coach and a football team that doesn't hold a candle to USC. At least your cheer leaders were hot. If USC were playing Florida, for example, I wouldn't be on this board saying who we're going to murder them. I'm not that biased. I, of course, would like our chances but there's no way I'd say our win was a certainty. You, however, actually deluded yourself into thinking Penn State could beat USC.

Have fun oogling your 4th best quarterback recruit...see you all next year.
 
have fun getting the best recruits in the country, playing in the pac10, and still not making the NC every year. oh wait, thats basically every year
 
have fun getting the best recruits in the country, playing in the pac10, and still not making the NC every year. oh wait, thats basically every year

We have as many National Championships in the last five years as you have in the 40+ year coaching reign of Paterno.

And nice dig at the Pac-10 :rolleyes:

oh and passing yards get inflated when you are losing, not rushing yards

Not when your defense really doesn't have anything to play for and your offense goes three and out over and over because of timid play-calling out of respect for not running up the score on the other coach.
 
Heh heh.

I'm sorry, but as much as I enjoyed Utah putting the beat-down on the SEC last night I still don't think they deserve to be National Champs. They had an absolutely amazing season, and arguably deserve #2 or 3, but definitely not #1.

And if Alabama had beaten Florida and gone undefeated would you say the same thing for them, cause we sure proved that we're a hell of a lot better than they are, so why should we not be #1 again?

Utah didn't have a single quality road win. And, please, don't bring up Michigan because you're comparing yourself to Toledo when you do that, and that certainly doesn't help your cause.

We're freakin' undefeated man, and we beat the team that everyone was saying would win the national championship this year for the entire month of November. When that didn't pan out, they all shifted to saying that there was absolutely no chance that Utah would beat them, well we all know how that turned out......

Okay, so let's look at the "quality" wins that every Utah fan goes on about...

First, Oregon State. Why was this win so important? I just don't get it. Oregon State was not great this year. They were good, definitely, but not great. And Utah still barely scraped by with a last second field goal... at home! Oregon State barely tied with Oregon for #2 in the PAC-10. If you look at their overall record then they're listed as #3. This wasn't a quality win. What I find ironic is that Utah fans use the Oregon State win as a measurement of success because the Beavers beat mighty USC. And then in the next sentence they say USC isn't very good. Okay.. (and this is for you, badandy) so if USC isn't any good, then why is beating a team that beat USC the best win of your season?

I can't speak for every Ute fan on this board, but I've never claimed that Oregon State was the best win on the season, I think I'd claim that TCU was the best win of the regular season by far, and Alabama was the best win overall, we more than proved our legitimacy this season and you know it. But hey it's a good team from a "superior" BCS automatic qualifying conference and they beat the #1 the week before we beat them, USC couldn't get it done against Oregon State, and there are quite a few people yammering on about how USC should be in the title picture. Again I say we're freakin' undefeated we beat teams from 3 of the better "BCS conferences" and we are the only team in the entire nation to do so and still remain undefeated. If that isn't good enough to merit a shot at the title, then I don't know what is. I mean look at Florida, they're in the title game and they lost (at home nonetheless) to an unranked team! This is pathetic that you would even imply that Utah doesn't even belong!

Next comes BYU. BYU's ranking was so overinflated it was pathetic, and everyone knows it. I honestly think BYU's fall from grace hurt Utah more than anything else. TCU exposed BYU and everyone realized BYU wasn't that great of a team to begin with. Suddenly beating BYU doesn't mean much.

I'd agree with you here, but the fact remains that BYU had only one loss and that was to a top 10 caliber team. Then they lost to us, somehow they still finished the regular season ranked in the top 25 so if we're being fair, this is still a quality win, even if BYU probably was over rated at #18.

The last win is TCU, and this was the only real quality win of the season. But it's a good thing the MWC is tucked away on worthless cable channels, or everyone that votes would have seen how absolutely ugly that game really was.

Hey they won didn't they, more than BSU could do against TCU so don't be so critical. At least we won and were able to remain undefeated, need I remind you that we're the only team this season to be undefeated at the end of it all. We have the longest current winning streak in the nation, the longest active bowl win streak in the nation. Won out in what's arguably the 3rd best conference in the country this year. whupped a national championship caliber team in our bowl, beat another team that will be top 10, whupped another that was as high as #7 and pasted UCLA 59-0 (who USC only beat 28-0). Beat a team that is historically a perennial powerhouse in NCAA football at their home stadium, a stadium filled with almost 100,000 hostile fans. And again were the only team to do all of this and go undefeated through the entire season. We beat a top SEC team, a top Pac 10 team and a team who usually is a top Big 10 team. Along with every team in our conference (which is a very tough conference this year). If that doesn't warrant a chance to play for the title (notice I say play for the title no be given the title, even though that's what happened with OU and FU this year) than I want to know what does.

I don't want to sound like I'm just ripping on Utah, because I'm absolutely overjoyed that Utah won! It's a win for all of the non-BCS, and I love it when we stand up with the "big boys" and we're the last ones standing at the end of the game.

But at the same time I hate it when non-BCS fans automatically assume we belong at the top because we won our Bowl Game and are the only undefeated team in the country when we do. Boise State did it in '06-'07, but they still didn't deserve to be #1.

I'm sorry you don't stand behind your team like I do mine, but we've done the BCS thing twice now. This time against a team that was only one quarter away from being in the National Championship. I'm sorry but just because you don't think Boise State belongs in the National Title picture, doesn't mean that Utah also doesn't.

Take your Bowl win as another step in the right direction, and use it to reload (not rebuild) next year and finish in the top ten again! I think that's the difference between great teams and good teams. Great teams are able to take a "rebuilding" year and simply reload. You shouldn't have to wait every four years to have a great team.

Again, I think it's awesome that Utah won, and the MWC had a great season. But can they keep it up? Utah really needs to step up this offseason and reload for next year. Do that and you'll be treated with more respect.

Just my opinion, of course.

:)

I'm sorry EvilGeek, but that post means nothing. Utah belongs in the national title picture. I could even argue that your 2006 BSU team wasn't the only undefeated team going into bowl season. Neither were the 2004 Utes, but this year we were and still are the only undefeated team. We're National Champions!

And apparently I'm not the only one who feels this way, you who say Utah doesn't deserve it are very much in the minority. On Fox sports there is a poll going asking whether or not the Utes deserve a shot at the title. So far there are over 95,000 votes and 73% of them say yes! Look at the comments following any story about the Utes and you'll see the same thing.

The Utes are the National Champions, and this year the BCS title is little more than a beauty prize for the winner of that game in the hearts of the American People!

If anyone want's to help out getting the Utes the AP #1 spot that they deserve, you can email the AP writers about it. A list of writers can be found at the following link http://members.cox.net/kbrews/Utes/APvoters.html

SLC
 
Want to lol at the folks over at sportsnation too?

You can say it over and over... loud... use speakers if you want
ESPN can take all the fan polls they want

You can order rings like Auburn did

But at the end of the day... Thursday actually... Florida or Oklahoma will be NChamps

Not Utah

Look, I have said all along... Utah had a good season
They are a good team
They looked really good against a lackluster 'Bama team

But you will not be National Champs... not even if the AP Poll splits it (sorry Badandy)

The BCS is the system... like it or not


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It would be kind of neat if the winner of the championship game came out afterwards and asked Utah if they could play them for it all? Now, that would be sweet! :cool:
 
It would be kind of neat if the winner of the championship game came out afterwards and asked Utah if they could play them for it all? Now, that would be sweet! :cool:

The NCAA would never allow it
And Texas/USC would scream to high heavens too ;)
That is, if Texas beats Ohio State

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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The NCAA would never allow it
And Texas/USC would scream to high heavens too ;)
That is, if Texas beats Ohio State

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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But Texas and USC aren't undefeated! Utah still is, and the only one in the entire country at that, and therein lies the rub. USC has no argument because they lost to Oregon State and Utah beat them, that alone leaves them out of the talk this season.

SLC
 
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