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A true Champion would not ever be "upset", if they can't beat a team that's supposed to be "not as good" then they have no business being called champions. That's the stupidest claim I've read in this entire thread!

SLC

Actually, I agree with Tomorrow. According to your view, in seasons where there is no undefeated team (last year for example), then there is NO champion... you can only have a champion that is undefeated. That plays well for you this year... but it doesn't hold true. Great teams DO get upset. That is why we even have a term "upset" to begin with.

About where the Utes should be ranked!

Look SLC... Oklahoma and Florida could play a 3-0 ugly game
Do you really think at the end of the game they will give the trophy to Utah?

"Uh, ladies and gentlemen... we have seen the error of our ways and we are going to award this trophy to Utah. We apologize that we didn't recognize their superior greatness earlier, but we can't let this injustice go any further. Congratulations Utes... you are going to Disney World!"

The winner of the Oklahoma/Florida game will be ranked #1
Utah will probably be #3 or #4... maybe #2... but that's a stretch

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Actually, I agree with Tomorrow. According to your view, in seasons where there is no undefeated team (last year for example), then there is NO champion... you can only have a champion that is undefeated. That plays well for you this year... but it doesn't hold true. Great teams DO get upset. That is why we even have a term "upset" to begin with.

You've gone way too far with what I said MacDawg. If it's a playoff situation, the team that "should" win, should do just that, WIN. But if they don't, do they have any real argument to be considered #1? How do you feel good about crowning Florida or Oklahoma #1 when each have a loss, and there's another team that has none and who just beat the team that easily could have been in that title match? Really, just explain that to me, how do you feel good about that or think it's right. If you don't think it's right then you should do the right thing and get behind those of us who want to take this #$*& system down.

I mean $#%& it right, let's just get rid of the NFL playoffs, the whole season is like a playoff and nobody likes to watch the playoffs anyway. We should just put the Giants and the Titans in a game this weekend and call it good, the whole country would go along with it. They are obviously the best teams in the country anyway. Well no that wouldn't work because the Giants have sucked historically and so they aren't worthy, and the Titans are too new, they don't have those years of dominance that we feel are necessary (nobody tell them that we won't let them ever get to that point with our new system). I think the best thing would be to put the Cowboys and the Packers in, cause those are 2 teams with great history of strong play. If anyone else wants a shot they've got to be undefeated, in two consecutive seasons, and beat both of our championship teams by at least 50 points each every single time they play. If it's less than 50 we'll just chalk it up to the Cowboys being "lackluster" or the Packers having an off day.

And while we're at it we are going to have a single game at the end of the NBA regular season, it's going to be the Bulls against the Spurs. Both those teams have won a lot of championships and none of the other teams really deserve a shot. This is the best idea ever!

Now we move on to Baseball, it's the Yankees against the Dodgers every single year. Those teams have a lot of followers and each has a great name with nationwide recognition. We've determined that the Rays and the Phillies don't deserve a shot because the Rays are an unknown, we don't really know if they are legit. And the Phillies haven't shown themselves as a dominant team year in and year out. It's better this way, trust me!

No more World Cup, we're just going to hand the trophy to Brazil every single year! Italy hasn't won nearly as many times as they have, and France hasn't either. Nobody could beat Brazil week in and week out anyway so they are our automatic champion every 4 years.

NCAA Basketball will consist of 4 TCS games, which consist of Kentucky, Duke, UConn, Texas, UCLA, Stanford, North Carolina, and Wake Forest. No other teams have ever been able to show us that they really truly belong.

I'm loving this idea, the BCS doesn't sound half bad afterall!

SLC
 
You've gone way too far with what I said MacDawg. If it's a playoff situation, the team that "should" win, should do just that, WIN. But if they don't, do they have any real argument to be considered #1? How do you feel good about crowning Florida or Oklahoma #1 when each have a loss, and there's another team that has none and who just beat the team that easily could have been in that title match? Really, just explain that to me, how do you feel good about that or think it's right. If you don't think it's right then you should do the right thing and get behind those of us who want to take this #$*& system down.

SLC

Ha, Ha... nothing you or I can do will ever take this system down
What do you want to do, start a petition??

And yes, I do think Oklahoma and Florida deserve to play for the championship... I think they got it right this year... as much as I dislike the system as well. An argument can be made for Utah, USC, and Texas... but in the end, I think the two best teams are where they are supposed to be this year. But that is my opinion only, and at the end of the day, that is all it is. Badandy thinks it is USC. You and a few others feel it should be Utah. I am sure the Texas fans feel jobbed.

Regardless... it will be the winner of the Oklahoma/Florida game because they made it through the BCS system and were given the opportunity to play for the championship.

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For the sake of completeness...


Utah's Schedule - Opponent's Record 73-73
5 Teams with a winning record (one of which is Weber State :rolleyes:) + 1 team 6-6
5 Bowl teams (bold)
I will let you be the judge of this schedule compared to Oklahoma's

Michigan 3-9
UNLV 5-7
Utah State 3-9
Air Force 8-4
Weber State 10-4
Oregon State 8-4
Wyoming 4-8
Colorado State 6-6
New Mexico 4-8
TCU 10-2
San Diego State 2-10
BYU 10-2

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A true Champion would not ever be "upset", if they can't beat a team that's supposed to be "not as good" then they have no business being called champions. That's the stupidest claim I've read in this entire thread!

SLC

So you're saying that the only possible means of being a champion is to never lose, not a single time? Surely you realize how ridiculous that sounds - in each of many years prior to this one, we wouldn't have had a champion because everyone had a loss. Next time, think about what you're saying before you say it.

Now that you mention it, perhaps only the '72 Dolphins are the only professional team worthy of being a champion - we've never had a MLB, NBA, or NHL team accomplish a full undefeated season, so there never could have been any champions, could there?

Please. Upsets happen.
 
So you're saying that the only possible means of being a champion is to never lose, not a single time? Surely you realize how ridiculous that sounds - in each of many years prior to this one, we wouldn't have had a champion because everyone had a loss. Next time, think about what you're saying before you say it.

Now that you mention it, perhaps only the '72 Dolphins are the only professional team worthy of being a champion - we've never had a MLB, NBA, or NHL team accomplish a full undefeated season, so there never could have been any champions, could there?

Please. Upsets happen.

mlb, nba, nhl, nfl ALL have playoffs to determine the champion:cool:
 
So you're saying that the only possible means of being a champion is to never lose, not a single time? Surely you realize how ridiculous that sounds - in each of many years prior to this one, we wouldn't have had a champion because everyone had a loss. Next time, think about what you're saying before you say it.

Now that you mention it, perhaps only the '72 Dolphins are the only professional team worthy of being a champion - we've never had a MLB, NBA, or NHL team accomplish a full undefeated season, so there never could have been any champions, could there?

Please. Upsets happen.

Pull your head out Tomorrow, I'm saying that in a playoff situation if a #1 seed can't get it done against a #18 then they have no business being champion. I know full well that there are years that nobody goes undefeated, but I'm not talking about that. My post referred 100% to a playoff situation, regardless of the records of the teams involved.

SLC
 
mlb, nba, nhl, nfl ALL have playoffs to determine the champion:cool:

Yes, but SLC's argument is that a true champion should never, ever lose, not even to an inferior team. Playoff or not, that argument doesn't make any sense.

Slightly OT here, but I've never been in favor of rule changes, etc. that would make D-1A football more like NFL football. There are many, many reasons I don't watch the NFL; I don't want to make the one sport I truly love more like it, and that includes expanding a playoff beyond two teams.

I think I've read MacDawg allude to this before, but what I love most about college football is all the conjecture, speculation, supposition, and bantering (collectively known as "arguing") why one team is better than another, or why Team A would beat Team B on a neutral field. Nearly 1,700 posts and counting, and that's on this thread alone. And I'm sure it will go on long after the BCS Championship game is over. An expanded playoff would neuter so much of it.
 
Yes, but SLC's argument is that a true champion should never, ever lose, not even to an inferior team. Playoff or not, that argument doesn't make any sense.

Slightly OT here, but I've never been in favor of rule changes, etc. that would make D-1A football more like NFL football. There are many, many reasons I don't watch the NFL; I don't want to make the one sport I truly love more like it, and that includes expanding a playoff beyond two teams.

I think I've read MacDawg allude to this before, but what I love most about college football is all the conjecture, speculation, supposition, and bantering (collectively known as "arguing") why one team is better than another, or why Team A would beat Team B on a neutral field. Nearly 1,700 posts and counting, and that's on this thread alone. And I'm sure it will go on long after the BCS Championship game is over. An expanded playoff would neuter so much of it.
whats wrong with playoffs? i love march madness. i love mlb playoffs. i like how DIAA has playoffs

it works for everyone else.

Whats the point in doing well in college football but never have a shot at being a champion if you have a stellar year? BYU would never be champion if that were the case

how can anyone support a system that locks out every school that doesnt have media backing..aka bcs. heck the bcs bowls are guranteed to have the bcs conferences play in them. how is that remotely fair? how can such a flawed system be supported
 
...Utah can merely be "the people's champion"

Nope, that would be The Rock. :p

Seriously, if that's what will make you feel better, go ahead. Ten years from now you can casually mention that National Championship that Utah won back in '09, and people will look at you like you have three eyes. Hang a banner at the stadium and watch it pop up in various photoshopped incarnations on message boards.

Year in, year out, there are always teams that feel like they're getting squeezed out of a shot at the NC. This year your team is one of them. Get in line with USC and Texas. Line up with countless teams from years past. And reserve your spot in years to come, because we've all been there at one time or another.
 
Pull your head out Tomorrow, I'm saying that in a playoff situation if a #1 seed can't get it done against a #18 then they have no business being champion. I know full well that there are years that nobody goes undefeated, but I'm not talking about that. My post referred 100% to a playoff situation, regardless of the records of the teams involved.

SLC

In a playoff situation, ANY team that loses (regardless of seeding) wouldn't BE the champion (possible exception being the College World Series). Any team that loses the BCS National Championship game won't be the champion, either. So I agree with your logic in this post.

If you can't bring it every single time the game is played, you've no business being called the Champions!

This is the comment I disagree with, which was, in fact, the basis for your arguing in favor of Utah being named the/a National Champion.
 
utah had one good win...

I have to disagree here - their win over BYU was, in my opinion, a good win. The win over Alabama was a good win, I honestly don't know why more people didn't see that coming - there was never a time I thought Alabama was the best team in the country (four takeaways against LSU and still needed OT to win). The win against TCU was an outstanding win. And I know a lot of people are discounting the win over Oregon State, but until the last week of the regular season they were in the driver's seat for the PAC-10 title.
 
Screw that. Utah beat all comers. No other team can say that. Without a playoff, they're the champs. Period.

Well, I guess it is settled then :rolleyes:

thats exactly why i said byu since they did win it back then:rolleyes:

under today's system, there is no way byu would have been champion.....

Do you honestly believe that BYU deserved the national championship in 1984?
They beat a 6-6 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl
It is ridiculous outcomes like that one that make the imperfect BCS at least an improvement.

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