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2008/9 COLLEGE Football Thread
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Woof, Woof - Dawg
i like how march madness is set up
the regular season rankings act solely to give the better teams easier roads to win it all. if you perform well during the season, your seeding will reflect that
if a lower ranked team wins, they will have earned it and be worthy of being the champion
for instance, only pitting 1 vs 2 in nascar would only have the top 2 pole finishers race as everyone else simply isnt in the same bracket lol. but guess what, they seed the best pole finishes by giving them the best starting finishes and if a lower seeded car wins, they will have had to overcome the obstacle of starting way behind the faster cars
i dont see any logic in not supporting a playoff to be frank
its no coincidence that EVERY other sport has a playoff to determine a champ. its simply the best way to declare the champion
And that is what makes it good, a sleeper can surprise a great team. The outcome is not pre programed.
I kid, I kid... the March Madness format works well
But even then, there is a lot of controversy over "bubble" teams
I am not opposed to a playoff... I have said that all along
But... we do NOT have one and we will not get one in the foreseeable future
Soooooo we have to work within the system we have, and that is the BCS
If Utah, et. al. want to compete for the NC, they have to know the system and work within it
If they feel like it penalizes them... then move to the Pac 10 to compete
BC, Miami and VaTech moved to the ACC to enhance their programs and their opportunities
One thing we do know... Whining and complaining will NOT make it so
Woof, Woof - Dawg
I kid, I kid... the March Madness format works well
But even then, there is a lot of controversy over "bubble" teams
I am not opposed to a playoff... I have said that all along
But... we do NOT have one and we will not get one in the foreseeable future
Soooooo we have to work within the system we have, and that is the BCS
If Utah, et. al. want to compete for the NC, they have to know the system and work within it
If they feel like it penalizes them... then move to the Pac 10 to compete
BC, Miami and VaTech moved to the ACC to enhance their programs and their opportunities
One thing we do know... Whining and complaining will NOT make it so
Woof, Woof - Dawg
There's a difference between a bubble team that goes like 16-15 or something and getting snubbed out of march maddness and a utah team that goes undefeated ranked 6 and beats an alabama team that was a legit title contender a few weeks ago
If no one complains, no changes will ever be made
How about we just abolish conferences and everyone can schedule who they want and have strength of schedule and record be the primary factors in rankings. everbody go all ND style lol
Money, yes... but the Big East was not considered a strong "football" conference either
Even though they get the automatic BCS bid
To be in the National Championship picture every year... being in the ACC was a better move
The bottom line is always going to be $$$$$ for everything
Woof, Woof - Dawg
Money, yes... but the Big East was not considered a strong "football" conference either
Even though they get the automatic BCS bid
To be in the National Championship picture every year... being in the ACC was a better move
The bottom line is always going to be $$$$$ for everything
Woof, Woof - Dawg
id say the big east was just as good as the acc if not better football wise before that merger.
who does acc have thats perinally good before those teams? florida state is the obvious in recent history, maybe clemson, maybe georgia tech?
I disagree... the ACC had far more prestige at the time
Florida State was on a roll too... and that held a lot of sway
The Big East was in decline and the 3 most important members bailed out
Woof, Woof - Dawg
Yes, Big East basketball is a totally different story
And they lost nothing in VaTech, BC and Miami in that regard
UConn in football still has a way to go, but the Big East has worked hard
Cincinnati, Rutgers, UConn, WVirginia... they all "saved" the Big East in football
Woof, Woof - Dawg
Just the fact that so many people believed there was no possible way for 'Bama to lose makes me laugh. Then the fact that they lost to MWC team is adds to humor. Don't ask me to explain, it's just funny.
As for the Pac-10, they obviously played hard where it mattered most. Hopefully they will be better contenders during the regular season next year.
As for the Pac-10, they obviously played hard where it mattered most. Hopefully they will be better contenders during the regular season next year.
Here are the Pac 10 results in their Bowls
5-0 is very good... but the competition was a little lackluster
Rose Bowl - USC 38 Penn State 24
Sun Bowl - Oregon State 3 Pitt 0
Holiday Bowl - Oregon 42 Oklahoma State 31
Emerald Bowl - Cal 24 Miami 17
Las Vegas Bowl - Arizona 31 BYU 21
Woof, Woof - Dawg
Been gone for a while, lot of posting to catch up on.
Apropos of nothing, but didn't those two games happen in the same week? USC lost on thursday night, Florida on saturday? Could be wrong, but I seem to remember that happening.
Good to see your Dawgs win their bowl game MacDawg, though they did manage to make it closer than it should have been. ( What did they do at half time, give Stafford massive doses of coffee while in a cold shower to sober him up? )
And they're 3-9 against Florida in the same time period, 3-16 if you go back to 1990. Just in case you had forgotten why you hate the Gators!
Great Sugar Bowl for the Utes. They played great! Enjoy your NC talk, you earned it, sort of !
Bama looked like crap! Their secondary couldn't tackle anything more challenging than a drunk co-ed!
Good win for Ole Miss in the Cotton, looks like Nutt has them going in the right direction.
Penn State isn't like other Big 10 schools. They found a new and exciting way to get trashed by USC!
Two things needed for a playoff.
1. NCAA has to figure a way to make a boatload of money off of it without exerting themselves. ( And don't bring up March Madness, football isn't basketball! )
2. Convince the coaches. With the current system, half the teams end their season with a WIN! That's important!
Apropos of nothing, but didn't those two games happen in the same week? USC lost on thursday night, Florida on saturday? Could be wrong, but I seem to remember that happening.
Good to see your Dawgs win their bowl game MacDawg, though they did manage to make it closer than it should have been. ( What did they do at half time, give Stafford massive doses of coffee while in a cold shower to sober him up? )
And they're 3-9 against Florida in the same time period, 3-16 if you go back to 1990. Just in case you had forgotten why you hate the Gators!
Great Sugar Bowl for the Utes. They played great! Enjoy your NC talk, you earned it, sort of !
Bama looked like crap! Their secondary couldn't tackle anything more challenging than a drunk co-ed!
Good win for Ole Miss in the Cotton, looks like Nutt has them going in the right direction.
Penn State isn't like other Big 10 schools. They found a new and exciting way to get trashed by USC!
Two things needed for a playoff.
1. NCAA has to figure a way to make a boatload of money off of it without exerting themselves. ( And don't bring up March Madness, football isn't basketball! )
2. Convince the coaches. With the current system, half the teams end their season with a WIN! That's important!
It might make for a boring (but definitely shorter) postseason. It would make regular season games much more critical, and there are many more of those.
I wouldn't worry about it, there's too much excitement, tradition, and money involved with the March Madness tournament, it's not going anywhere.
That "stuff" isn't meant as disrespectful to your post, I just didn't want to put "snip" in there, so I put "stuff".
Anyway, I think Utah has a GREAT football team, but we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
For the record, I don't think Alabama ever deserved the #1 ranking. They had it because of their reputation, not because of talent. They were 12-0 with a schedule full of mostly mediocre teams. I still didn't think Utah was going to win, even though I wanted them to! Heck, I even sacrificed myself and turned off the game in hopes Utah would win! ...It was awful, the second I got home I turned on the game and it was already 21-0. I was so excited, but then Alabama seemed to be getting all the momentum, so I turned it off. I'm fairly superstitious when it comes to College Football. Heh. But it worked!
And I can be critical about the Utah/TCU game, because it was uuu-gly! Sure, Boise lost by one point to TCU in a fairly ugly game themselves, but I'll admit that. Of course I would have loved to see Boise get the win, but this season was FAAAAARRRR better than what anyone in Boise (except Chris Peterson and the Broncos) expected.
But back to Utah. I say again, I'm really, really excited that they won. I'll even buy the DVD when it comes out! Utah was representing all of the non-BCS with that game, and they proved once again that the non-BCS can't be ignored.
Go Utes! ...until we play you again
Haha. Please.
EDIT:
My opinion is simple. To have a legitimate national champion, you need to let teams that have a legitimate claim to being the best in the land earn that distinction. This year, more than two teams had that claim and it's unfair to use some system no one likes to exclude those other teams. I'm not talking about just USC either. I am always critical of SLC but it's pure, unadulterated BS that Utah is not given an opportunity to show their mettle and play for a national championship. Same with Texas, same with USC. In a four team playoff, the winner is the last team standing and there would be little controversy. The only controversy would be who the 5th team that got left out was, but that's a hell of a lot better than what we have now.
Every sport has a playoff because it's important. As someone above me said, you don't just just let UNC play Duke every year for the NCAA championship because they're always ranked highly (let's just assume #1 and #2). A small play off is the best of both worlds: The regular season is hugely important as there would only be 4 or 8 spots to fill. Once those are filled, each team knows that they control their own destiny and the championship is theirs for the taking.
Here are the Pac 10 results in their Bowls
5-0 is very good... but the competition was a little lackluster
Rose Bowl - USC 38 Penn State 24
Sun Bowl - Oregon State 3 Pitt 0
Holiday Bowl - Oregon 42 Oklahoma State 31
Emerald Bowl - Cal 24 Miami 17
Las Vegas Bowl - Arizona 31 BYU 21
Woof, Woof - Dawg
Well yes I wouldn't say it was the best competition but they were working with what was given to them. Penn State and Ok. St. were good competitors and BYU is good too. But I think for all the criticism that the Pac 10 received this season, they definitely did better where it counted (except maybe Oregon State
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