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2008/9 COLLEGE Football Thread

SLC Flyfishing said:
Well we already know that our bottom dweller teams can win against SEC middle of the stack teams, (ala Wyoming at Tennessee) even on the road!

Do you want me to make more MWC-SEC comparos?

SLC
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No... that's ok... we get your point :rolleyes:

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obey908 said:
oh, and utah fans: penn state has had 4 undefeated seasons under joe paterno without being the national champion. and that is playing in a real conference. so stop your hissy fit
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Were they the lone undefeated teams those years, and did they play for the title? I'm willing to bet that the answer to the first is no, and the answer to the second is no because they didn't have title matches back then!

1968 undefeated season, Ohio State won the title, was undefeated and played undefeated USC in their bowl. Not the lone unbeaten in the land that year. And Ohio State was voted in, they didn't play a championship game.

1969 undefeated season, Texas won the title, was undefeated and played 8-1-1 Notre dame in their bowl. Not a title match, Texas was voted in.

1973 undefeated season, Notre Dame won the title, played and beat an undefeated Alabama team in the Sugar Bowl. Again, Notre Dame was voted in, The Sugar Bowl wasn't held to be the National Title game.

1986 undefeated season, Penn State won the title, played and beat an undefeated Miami team, and were Voted #1 at the end of the season.

1994 undefeated season, Nebraska won the title in the notorious 1994 season that resulted in the BCS. Looks like an outrage surrounding Penn State was part of somewhat improving the system.

That's it, all the undefeated seasons in Joe Paterno's resume at Penn State. Achieving a 20% success rate w/respect to winning the National Title, and in none of those seasons was Penn State the only undefeated team at the end of the year. Doesn't look to me like you've got a leg to stand on if you're trying to argue that Penn State was robbed many times in a similar fashion to Utah. Don't you get it? Utah is the only team in the 2008 season which is undefeated! That's why there is an outrage!


You're an idiot Obey908! But you do go to Penn State :rolleyes:

SLC
 
SLC Flyfishing said:
If you're referring to the 2009 football season then that graphic is about right!

SLC
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Big 12-SEC dominance continues
Link to complete article... this is just a snippet...
Not everybody believes the BS that Rick Reilly wrote :rolleyes:
This comes from Pat Forde

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- Florida and Oklahoma will tussle to determine a national champion in Miami Thursday night, but one thing already has been determined:

They represent the two most powerful conferences in the country.

The Southeastern Conference and Big 12 have taken over college football … in the short term, and perhaps in the long term as well. With the exception of occasional incursions by USC and Ohio State, the two leagues own the joint.

They've got the hardware: Representatives of those conferences have won three straight national titles (Texas, Florida and LSU), heading for a fourth. The SEC is trying for its own three-peat. At least one team from the Big 12 or SEC has appeared in six straight championship games.

The SEC and Big 12 have had eight of the 12 championship-game participants over the past six years. The Big Ten and Pac-10 have produced two each, and both of those are the same schools, whereas the SEC and Big 12 have been more diversified. The ACC and Big East have failed to place a team in the Big Enchilada since Miami was upset by Ohio State after the 2002 season.

They've got the rankings: The top four teams in the final Associated Press Top 25 of December were all from the SEC and Big 12. Nine teams from the two leagues were ranked.

They've got the accolades: Fifteen of the 25 members of the AP All-America first team were from the SEC and Big 12. The top five vote-getters for the 2008 Heisman Trophy all were from those two leagues.

Meanwhile, the Big Ten's regression is as plain as the league's bowl results: 1-6 this season. The Pacific-10 is ephemeral outside of USC, with programs rising and falling. The Big East lost much of its power when it was raided by the Atlantic Coast Conference, which, in turn, has failed to gain any traction as a 12-team league, in large part due to poor coaching.

So it's a Big 12-SEC gridworld, and everyone else has to deal with it.

How and why has it become this way? The simple answer is better players and better coaching.
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obey908 said:
heres what my bama friends posted in another forum about how bad they were hurt with losing smith......when asked about why their defense was on the field for so long and gave up 31.......
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I'd expect a loser to make excuses. But just so you know, it wasn't Paul Krueger, making all the sacs, it was Stevenson Sylvester. Again, just excuses, everyone went on and on about how Alabama was so deep that their 3rd string would match up well with the Utes.

SLC
 
you know i don't think it's good for college football to have these powerhouse teams/conferences. they pull all the talent away from other schools and the rich get richer, the rest of us... yeah.

for example usc usually gets the best of the recruits in socal and surrounding areas. thus, since they get great/good players (2nd string/3rd string players could be starters on other teams) they sap the talent pool for everyone else and thus you've got usc and the rest of the pac10.
 
MacDawg said:
Big 12-SEC dominance continues
Link to complete article... this is just a snippet...
Not everybody believes the BS that Rick Reilly wrote :rolleyes:
This comes from Pat Forde



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The only thing the Big 12 and SEC have proven this year is that they are very beatable. And the only thing that Florida and Oklahoma have accomplished that my Utes haven't is a loss.

Sorry but that article is just drivel by some SEC homer who loves the idea of keeping teams like Utah from ever being able to prove their superiority on the field. It's too little too late I'm afraid, as I've yet to see one fan poll where Utah isn't voted #1 well ahead of either Florida or Oklahoma, and that's really all that I need to see this year. One national sports writer was on the local radio today, phoning in from Miami where he's stationed to cover the BCS title game, he said that the media is all over the Utes and that nobody is really talking about the game at hand all that much.

That was great to hear!

SLC
 
And as for SEC/Big 12 dominance, after all is said and done and the final rankings are released. The SEC is going to have 1 team in the top 10 (assuming Florida wins, if they lose they might fall a ways with their ugly loss), Big 12 will have 2 in the top 10, Big 10 will have none, Pac 10 will have one, Big East will have none, and ACC will probably have none. The MWC will have 2.

That means we will have as many top 10 teams as the Big 12, and more than the SEC, so much for the utter dominance that your article speaks to.

SLC
 
obey908 said:
wow your second personal attack, mature.
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Hey, I'm just trying to speak to your level, you know, talk the Obey908 talk as well as walk the Obey908 walk. You've shown yourself to be a bit below most for maturity yourself the past few weeks on this thread.

If you're going to try and make a point, make sure you look into it before doing so. If it's a solid one, I won't give you a bad time for it. But you've yet to do so.

SLC
 
just trying to be annoying as you and the rest of utah fans

and there is a difference between personal attacks and just talking a whole lot of college football **** talk
 
kgood. :p

Anyway enough of this utah talk.

florida vs oklahoma

I can't see oklahoma winning this. bradford is great but floridas defense is better than anything he has seen this season. Tebow is going to come out on fire like he always does, and i hope percy has a good game. I think florida is the only sec team i "like", except for uga (the bulldog not the school :p )

I can't wait for 2010-2011. penn state finally scheduled a tough out of conference team, and we travel to bama in 2010 then they come here. I don't know about our chances, but it will be fun to watch. I am tired of watching all these ****** non bigten home games.

And in 2011 and 2012, i believe, michigan will not be on our schedule, just when they should be rebuilt :(
 
obey908 said:
florida vs oklahoma

I can't see oklahoma winning this. bradford is great but floridas defense is better than anything he has seen this season. Tebow is going to come out on fire like he always does, and i hope percy has a good game. I think florida is the only sec team i "like", except for uga (the bulldog not the school :p )
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I hope you are wrong :eek:
Big games have such emotional swings to them, and the snowball can turn into an avalanche
I hope the Sooners defense is ready, but it is hard to simulate the Gator offense in practice

Bradford needs success early for confidence against the Gator defense
Then he needs to find a rhythm and stay with it... don't be intimidated

I would make sure that if I lost, Tebow wouldn't beat me
I would attack him relentlessly and make sure someone else had to do it


I can't wait for 2010-2011. penn state finally scheduled a tough out of conference team, and we travel to bama in 2010 then they come here. I don't know about our chances, but it will be fun to watch. I am tired of watching all these ****** non bigten home games.

And in 2011 and 2012, i believe, michigan will not be on our schedule, just when they should be rebuilt :(
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Penn State / Bama will be great... it will bring back only memories of Paterno and Bear Bryant, although surely Jo Pa won't be still on the sidelines in 2010/11 :rolleyes:

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Cave Man said:
The BCS is set up so that no team from a non-BCS conference can win and I hope the Utah AG does file suit. It's costing them more than a championship - it's costing them money.
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It might seem that way, and many like to argue that point, but consider this:

Some time ago, before the BCS (and even before the Bowl Coalition and the Bowl Alliance) ever came into being, the bowl games with the "big" payouts (Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, Orange, as well as the Cotton, Gator, Citrus [now Capital One], and Hall of Fame [now Outback]) all still had conference tie-ins. In other words, the Big 8 champ went to the Orange Bowl, the SEC champ still had the Sugar Bowl, the Big 10 and Pac 10 went to the Rose, SWC in the Cotton, etc. - there was NO means for a team from a mid-major conference to gain an automatic berth to those games, because the at-large selections were really the whim of the bowl committees, based on selling tickets and attracting viewers.

The WAC champ was in the Holiday Bowl in those days, but that was probably the pinnacle of what they could expect as far as a bowl berth - BYU won the NC by beating Michigan in the Holiday Bowl. Think about that - the team that the media and coaches voted to be the best in the country couldn't even get selected for one of the "big payout" bowls.

At least this current incarnation of the BCS not only has criteria set for non-BCS conference schools from gaining a berth, but there are automatic berths, as well. It's not like there was an immense pool of money allotted to the MWC or other mid-major conferences that got taken away when the BCS came around, it's always been that way. The Utah AG should consider that, because if it comes to trial I'm sure it's going to get brought up.

Seriously, without the automatic berth, many bowls would have considered other teams in addition to Utah. For my money, I think Utah vs. Alabama was the best matchup from a viewer's point of view, but there was once a day they would have seriously considered a number of other teams instead, based simply on the belief that they would attract more viewers and paying fans.

I did enjoy the game, I enjoyed the outcome, and I'm honestly surprised that more people didn't see it coming.
 
SLC Flyfishing said:
You're an idiot Obey908! But you do go to Penn State :rolleyes:
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You lost a lot of credibility with quotes like this.

Why don't you address the SoS numbers that I gave you earlier? Most have Utah as having the worst of the BCS bowl teams. What about the MWC being ranked as only the 6th or 7th best conference in most circles? Utah is a token stepchild in the BCS.

All you can say is that Utah is undefeated. If a team beats Sister Mary's of the Poor every week and wins all, do they deserve a national title? One should consider the path taken to get to their record. Sure, OU has a loss to the BCS #3 ranked team. Florida has a loss to the BCS #25. Texas has a loss to the BCS #7. Ok, Utah didn't lose, but the fact is that they didn't have play such teams like OU, Florida, Texas, etc ... had to. You can say that Utah is the only unbeatable team and the Big 12 and SEC have only shown they are beatable all you want, but Utah NEVER had to play a tough schedule to truly prove they are unbeatable. You only proved you could win week in and out against second tier talent. OU has beaten 6 top-25 teams. Utah, had 2 wins and both were in conference. OU had 2 such wins outside of conference, one of which was from the vaunted MWC.

Utah had a weak schedule in a weak conference and by far the easiest route to get to where they are. Show me the impressive wins outside of the bowl game? You certainly have none that are out of conference. Most of your out of conference wins are against the weak teams of the big boys. Like I said, you like to tout the MWC 6 wins versus the Pac 10. Big deal they had a record of 31-43.

Please explain how your weak schedule automatically leaves you as a national champion? Like I said before, put Utah in the Big 12 or SEC and make them play tough opponents in a weekly basis, and they are nowhere near the BCS.
 
gibbz said:
You lost a lot of credibility with quotes like this.

Why don't you address the SoS numbers that I gave you earlier? Most have Utah as having the worst of the BCS bowl teams. What about the MWC being ranked as only the 6th or 7th best conference in most circles? Utah is a token stepchild in the BCS.
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6th or 7th best conference? source please?
 
obey908 said:
kgood. :p

Anyway enough of this utah talk.
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Agreed. Time for the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game.

obey908 said:
florida vs oklahoma

I can't see oklahoma winning this. bradford is great but floridas defense is better than anything he has seen this season. Tebow is going to come out on fire like he always does, and i hope percy has a good game. I think florida is the only sec team i "like", except for uga (the bulldog not the school :p )
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I think Florida has a balanced team. But I could counter your argument by saying that Florida has not faced an offense like this. The Gators have only played 1 top 25 offense (Georgia 22nd), 3 in the top 50. 7 teams they faced were ranked 63rd or worse, 4 of which were 97th or worse. We'll see when the face the #3 ranked OU offense.
 
Stewart Mandel's column

Without even knowing the outcome of Florida vs. Oklahoma, what is your rationale for having anyone but Utah No. 1 on your final ballot? By virtually any metric, the Utes should be national champions. They beat four ranked teams (two in the top 10), finished unbeaten and played in a very tough conference. How, in good conscience, can you rank anyone else ahead of them?
-- Neil, New York

The simple answer: Because I don't believe they're the best team in the country. How in good conscience can I rank them ahead of another team who I truly believe is better? I don't mean to discount the Utes' Sugar Bowl win. They flat-out dominated Alabama, with or without Andre Smith. But folks -- it was just one game, and not a championship game at that. I watched Utah play four times during the season (which, I'm guessing, is three times more than many voters did), and that was by far the Utes' best performance.

Prior to the bowls, I had the Utes ranked ninth. In the illustrious words of Social Distortion, I was wrooooooooong. (Yes: I just bought Rock Band 2.) I will be moving them up considerably in the final poll -- but not to No. 1. Why? Because both Florida and Oklahoma played at a higher level against tougher competition over the course of the entire season, and now one of the two is going to beat the other. While the Mountain West deserves credit for a fantastic season, anyone who thinks it was on the same level as the SEC or Big 12 is kidding himself. The fourth- and fifth-best teams in the Big 12 this year were Oklahoma State and Missouri. The fourth- and fifth-best teams in the MWC were Air Force and Colorado State.

Want a more quantitative analysis? In Jeff Sagarin's conference power ratings, the Mountain West finished the regular season No. 7. (Personally, I'd put it ahead of the Pac-10 and Big East.) As for schedule strength, according to CollegeBCS.com, Oklahoma's schedule was No. 2, Florida's No. 5, Utah's No. 61. According to Sagarin (which includes I-AA teams): Oklahoma No. 8, Florida No. 19, Utah No. 70.
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Can we PLEASE move on?
Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough?

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Offense:
Points Scored:
OU #1 @ 54/game
UF #3 @ 45.2/game

Total Yards
OU #3 @562.1yds/game
UF #18 @ 442.4yds/game


Defense:
Points Allowed
OU: #57 @24.5 pts/game
UF: #5 @12.8pts/game

Total Yards Allowed
OU: #65 @ 359.1 yds/game
UF: #8 @279.3yds/game

Margin of Victory
OU: 29.5pts/game
UF: 32.4pts/game

Margin of Yards
OU: +203yds/game
UF: +163.1yds/game
 
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