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2008/9 COLLEGE Football Thread

gibbz said:
Agreed, let's get on to discussing the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game tomorrow.
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Percy Harvin will play according to reports, but last I heard he is only 90%
Of course, at 90% he is still one of the best in the country :(

I still say the Sooners' best bet is to target and attack Tebow relentlessly and make someone else beat them

But they better protect Bradford and give him time or it can get out of hand in a hurry

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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MacDawg said:
Percy Harvin will play according to reports, but last I heard he is only 90%
Of course, at 90% he is still one of the best in the country :(

I still say the Sooners' best bet is to target and attack Tebow relentlessly and make someone else beat them

But they better protect Bradford and give him time or it can get out of hand in a hurry

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I am more worried about Brandon James returning kickoffs. My Sooners have allowed 4 kickoffs for a TD this year.
 
gibbz said:
I am more worried about Brandon James returning kickoffs. My Sooners have allowed 4 kickoffs for a TD this year.
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You are right about that... he HAS to be stopped
I would kick out of bounds on punts and kick the line drives on kickoffs
You don't need a long return to set up a quick score
They punished teams with that :(

Who will be officiating the game?
Anyone know right off hand?


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dukebound85 said:
imo, a conference cant be considered the best if it doesnt even have a title contender
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So if a conference has the #1 team and everyone else is say between 35-85, they could be best over a conference where every team is ranked say 10-21, none of which are title contenders? :D

Point taken, and it is weird to even see their name up there, but they did have a ton of bowl eligible teams. We just need a darn playoff to get rid of (or reduce) all of this numerical analysis and personal opinions.
 
Jim Rome:

"Can you remember a national championship game with less hype? That's what happens when you wait until January 8 to decide who gets 3rd place."

Mike Terico & Michelle Tafoya:

Terico: "Who do you like in the national championship game?"

Tafoya: "I like Florida, but I like Utah better."

Terico: "So you like Florida to win the game but Utah to win the championship?"

Tafoya: "Yes."

Tafoya (who is filling in for Scott Van Pelt today) then went on to say she read the Riley column earlier today and she cannot disagree with it. She says Utah is the national champion.

Tafoya was on ESPN Radio for an hour today -- probably close to half of that time she argued that Utah should be national champions.

She started off with the comments I posted above and then argued that Utah should be champions because (1) they are the only team without a loss; (2) they played a tough schedule; and (3) they just destroyed the team that was ranked #1 for 5 weeks and that was within less than a quarter from playing tomorrow night -- and they did this in what was essentially a home game for Alabama.

A while later, she had Gene Wojohowski (sp)on. Watch his video blog, if you haven't already. He didn't necessarily agree that Utah should be the champions, but he said their claim is as legitimate as anyone else -- if not more so. He also made these points: (1) no matter what Utah did this year, they had zero chance to win the national championship before the season even started because they are not in a BCS conference -- this is inherently unfair and the main reason why the BCS needs to go; (2) he hopes that Shurtleff's investigation/lawsuit goes as far as possible and gets rid of the unfair BCS system; (3) if Shurtleff's efforts fail, President Obama should have the U.S. Attorney General investigate the BCS; (4) (and most importantly) every other team in contention for the championship had a legitimate chance to win it before the season started, but each one tripped up by losing at least once along the way -- Utah did what they couldn't do -- win every game on its schedule, but the system kept them out.

Tafoya ended the show by reading and responding to a few emails she received during the show:

A. One fan pointed out that the MWC won 64% of its games against BCS conferences this year. The Big 12 won 46% and the SEC won 40%

B. Somebody wrote about how Utah had won too many close games. Tafoya said no -- Utah's average margin of victory this year was 20 points, and they just beat Alabama by two touchdowns.

C. Someone wrote in with the standard "there are no weeks off in the BCS conferences" argument. To this Tafoya responded, "I knew this would come up and that's baloney. That's baloney."


SLC
 
gibbz said:
Point taken, and it is weird to even see their name up there, but they did have a ton of bowl eligible teams. We just need a darn playoff to get rid of (or reduce) all of this numerical analysis and personal opinions.
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+1

But the MWC will have as many top 25 teams as anybody at the end of this season! Just to point it out!

SLC
 
SLC Flyfishing said:
-- Utah did what they couldn't do -- win every game on its schedule, but the system kept them out.
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... a system that they knew would decide the champion before the season. Don't complain about it after it doesn't work for you. Make changes in the offseason, but all the complaining for this season is old.
 
gibbz said:
... a system that they knew would decide the champion before the season. Don't complain about it after it doesn't work for you. Make changes in the offseason, but all the complaining for this season is old.
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make changes in the off season? please you know how ridiculous your post sounds?

the bcs isnt going anywhere this offseason or next off season or the year after next even though there are many people against it

what do you propose for utah to do? just not play football this year or next year?

do you really think the non bcs conferences liked the bcs system when it was first implemented? it was simply a power move made by the bigger conferences
 
SLC Flyfishing said:
A. One fan pointed out that the MWC won 64% of its games against BCS conferences this year. The Big 12 won 46% and the SEC won 40%
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Most of Tafoya's logic, while I don't necessarily agree with it, is at least followable. This point doesn't make any sense.

I'll accept that the MWC won 64% of its games against BCS conferences, although I don't necessarily know whether that means anything. But you can't compare it to the other statistics - the entire conference schedules for both the Big 12 and SEC are against other BCS teams, as well as part of the non-conference schedules - so for every win by one of those conference teams against another BCS team, there's also a loss - so without non-conference games, you can't do better than 50%.

Not exactly comparing apples to apples with that one.
 
dukebound85 said:
make changes in the off season? please you know how ridiculous your post sounds?

the bcs isnt going anywhere this offseason or next off season or the year after next even though there are many people against it

what do you propose for utah to do? just not play football this year or next year?
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No I think Gibbz is suggesting that Utah just needs to request that the BCS take a year off or something, agreed that's a ridiculous suggestion.

Utah is powerless to do a damn thing about the rules that keep them from being permitted to play for the title!

SLC
 
SLC Flyfishing said:
But the MWC will have as many top 25 teams as anybody at the end of this season! Just to point it out!
SLC
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The SEC will have at least Florida, Alabama, and Georgia, and a good chance for Ole Miss in the Top 25, so there's either three or four. The Big 12 will have Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and Missouri, that's five. The MWC will have at least Utah and TCU, and I doubt BYU falls out, so there's three.

Looks like you come in #2 or 3 again. Sorry :p
 
utah should schedule all their non conference games against good bcs teams. that is one way they can gain more respect

big 10 will have...penn state, ohio state, iowa, posibblyyyy michigan st
 
obey908 said:
utah should schedule all their non conference games against good bcs teams. that is one way they can gain more respect

big 10 will have...penn state, ohio state, iowa, posibblyyyy michigan st
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How do you do that? Just call up Florida and say, "Hey, we want to play you guys?" What do these big name schools have to benefit from playing Utah? To them it is a lose lose situation. If you win, no one cares. If you lose, you get laughed at. To be honest, I'm surprised Michigan let us play them this year.

P-Worm
 
P-Worm said:
How do you do that? Just call up Florida and say, "Hey, we want to play you guys?" What do these big name schools have to benefit from playing Utah? To them it is a lose lose situation. If you win, no one cares. If you lose, you get laughed at. To be honest, I'm surprised Michigan let us play them this year.

P-Worm
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with that said, cu will not travel down to play csu in fort collins period.

every csu cu game is either in boulder (cu home) or at invesco field (csu/cu home, depends on year)
 
how do we get costal carolina, kent state, florida atlantic, etc? call them up. they get a lot of money to get their asses kicked in our stadium. which helps them
 
dukebound85 said:
with that said, cu will not travel down to play csu in fort collins period.

every csu cu game is either in boulder (cu home) or at invesco field (csu/cu home, depends on year)
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BYU has the same problem in college basketball. Until the recent Wake Forest game, many teams refused to play BYU in the Marriot center because they had such a huge win streak in that building.

P-Worm
 
obey908 said:
how do we get costal carolina, kent state, florida atlantic, etc? call them up. they get a lot of money to get their asses kicked in our stadium. which helps them
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you seriously arent comparing coastal carolina to mwc teams are you?

schools like to schedule cupcake teams as prep for the conference play. mwc teams are not cupcake teams, they arent d1aa tams, whatnot

its a lose lose situation for say your big 10 to schedule quality non conference teams if they dont need those team to vault up the rankings
 
Tomorrow said:
The SEC will have at least Florida, Alabama, and Georgia, and a good chance for Ole Miss in the Top 25, so there's either three or four. The Big 12 will have Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and Missouri, that's five. The MWC will have at least Utah and TCU, and I doubt BYU falls out, so there's three.

Looks like you come in #2 or 3 again. Sorry :p
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I forgot about Georgia, and Oklahoma State, and for some reason I thought Texas Tech would fall quite far after their loss to Mississippi but I agree it won't be anywhere near out of the top 25.

But #2 or #3 is all we're making a claim for, and that in and of it's self should make Utah's undefeated season Title worthy. If the SEC only had an undefeated team and a #11 and #18 in their conference this year, you can bet your ass that the undefeated would be playing in the title game. Wait, a one loss team from the SEC is playing in the title game!

SLC
 
dukebound85 said:
make changes in the off season? please do you know how ridiculous your post sounds?
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fixed that for you.
SLC Flyfishing said:
No I think Gibbz is suggesting that Utah just needs to request that the BCS take a year off or something, agreed that's a ridiculous suggestion.

SLC
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You guys need to chill and PAY ATTENTION.

All I said was that Utah decided to play football in the current system. That means they are complicit in their own failure at being national champion. Whether they liked it or not, by playing this year, they agreed upon the current system. So it stupid when people like you all bitch that Utah was screwed.

Maybe I talked too fast. When did I say they need to cancel the BCS or take a year off or two? I said that if at the end of the year they are unhappy with how the situation turned out THIS YEAR, then propose changes or work to make things different in the offseason. For instance, the AG in Utah is suing to fix things. This is an example. Maybe releasing a massive media onslaught about the "injustice" this year is another. Nowhere did I say Utah or the BCS should take time off. I only meant they should propose changes before the season if they are unhappy with the current system.

The only ridiculous thing here is Utah bitching ex post facto about how they were screwed in a system in which they were complicit.
 
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