2009/10 College Football Thread

[IgnatiusTheKing]

its says that Oregon sucks for not capitalizing and shouldnt have been ranked ata ll...aka overrated

Exactly. Just the fact that Oregon didn't get one single first down until halfway through the third quarter and suffered 5 straight 3-and-outs (I literally have never seen anything like this before) goes to show that Oregon's "PAC-10 offense" for this year was highly, I mean highly overrated. BSU pulled out a safety against OU for crying out loud. This game was supposed to be a dead heat between the two teams and, even though the score doesn't reflect it, it was all BSU.

Sure BSU had some messy offense last night, but their defense really kicked it into high gear. And even thought BSU was ranked slightly higher that OU before the game, I have no qualms with people saying Oregon was overrated.

P-Worm

That's all fine and good, but if Oregon sucks then Boise State must only be slightly above suck. After all, they had the Ducks at home and completely dominated them defensively yet still had to sweat out the victory because they were almost as inept offensively.

My point is that, whether or not the Ducks are overrated (and I agree they are), chanting "over-rated" when barely beating another team only makes you team look worse by comparison. If, on the other hand, Oregon is actually a really good team that just happened to get dominated by a better team, then they aren't "overrated" at all, Boise is just better.

Boise's play on the field speaks volumes about the kind of "giant-killing" program they have become. Boise fans taunts in the stands speak volumes about the sort of Napoleon complex they have.

 

[dukebound85]

Blount has been suspended for the rest of the season
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/10024268/Ducks-RB-Blount-suspended-for-rest-of-season

serves him right

you dont punch and you certainly do not go after fans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bennx-TSauc

 

[Tomorrow]

My point is that, whether or not the Ducks are overrated (and I agree they are), chanting "over-rated" when barely beating another lower ranked team at home only makes you team look worse by comparison.

FTFY.

Consider the team in question - Boise State is not a traditional powerhouse, so a win over a middle-of-the-pack Pac-10 team is worth pounding your chest over; their program isn't as accustomed to such a win. It's the "act like you've been there before" syndrome.

Boise is a good team, without question, and that program has been strong for a number of years; but until they've been strong for many years, if not decades, wins over teams like Oregon are going to be something they feel the urge to crow about.

 

[petermcphee]

Here in Portland, Oregon, there are a ton of Duck fans. Today, it's impossible to turn on the radio in the car without hearing this story. That said, I am glad that Blount was suspended for the remainder of the season. It's a shame that the Ducks will be without their "star" RB for the season, but it's a bigger shame that he was unable to control his emotions.

 

[dmr727]

Yeah, I've never understood the overrated chant. I agree with ItK - it's pretty bush league. Act like you've been there before. At least they didn't rush the field and tear down the goal posts.

 

[thegoldenmackid]

Cannot wait for our NC State game given that lackluster performance last night.

 

[dukebound85]

Cannot wait for our NC State game given that lackluster performance last night.

the first game is always just getting back into the swing of things imo

 

[steve2112]

Yeah, I've never understood the overrated chant. I agree with ItK - it's pretty bush league. Act like you've been there before. At least they didn't rush the field and tear down the goal posts.

I realize I am probably in the minority here, but I actually like that stuff. I like it when a team that is unranked beats a highly ranked team, and the fans start up with that. I like storming the field after a huge win. When we beat Alabama for the first time in 15 years, it was a blast when we stormed the field. The same when we beat Arkansas to win the SEC West. Amazing stuff. It's one of the reasons I prefer college football over the NFL. But I do agree that the overrated stuff from Boise was silly. They were ranked higher.

Speaking of that game, I think suspending Blount for the season was the right thing. If it had just been the punch, maybe a few games would be OK. Going after fans pushed it over the edge. I also think the BSU player should be suspended for a game or so. Taunting after the game is stupid.

the first game is always just getting back into the swing of things imo

Don't underestimate South Carolina. They were ranked in the top 15 in the country in total defense last year. How many times did we see a USC defender run the NC State QB down from behind?

On another note about USC: What has happened to Steve Spurrier? His offense has been terrible during his USC tenure. I realize the talent level isn't what he had at Florida, but I still expected some improvement. Wow.

 

[DiamondMac]

Don't underestimate South Carolina. They were ranked in the top 15 in the country in total defense last year. How many times did we see a USC defender run the NC State QB down from behind?

South Carolina will be the same 7-8 win team that it has been since Spurrier arrived. Nothing more.

Their D will be solid, Their O will leave people lacking

NCSU's O is an absolute joke so I am not taking too much away

Garcia really had an average game helped out by some dinks and dunks

 

[steve2112]

South Carolina will be the same 7-8 win team that it has been since Spurrier arrived. Nothing more.

Their D will be solid, Their O will leave people lacking

NCSU's O is an absolute joke so I am not taking too much away

Garcia really had an average game helped out by some dinks and dunks

That's what I was talking about in regard to Spurrier. I really expected he would have them doing better by this point, especially on offense. Their running game has been especially bad. They averaged around 3 YPC last year. He should be very glad Ellis Johnson accepted the defensive coordinator position. When he was our D-coordinator, we managed to win 8 games while having one of the worst offenses in the country.

Edit: I also agree with NC State killing themselves. They had bunch of dropped passes and other self inflicted mistakes. It was kind of surprising coming from a Tom O' Brien team.

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

On another note about USC: What has happened to Steve Spurrier? His offense has been terrible during his USC tenure. I realize the talent level isn't what he had at Florida, but I still expected some improvement. Wow.

That's interesting. I went to www.usc.edu and didn't find any mention of Steve Spurrier.

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

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Yeah, I've never understood the overrated chant. I agree with ItK - it's pretty bush league. Act like you've been there before. At least they didn't rush the field and tear down the goal posts.

I realize I am probably in the minority here, but I actually like that stuff. I like it when a team that is unranked beats a highly ranked team, and the fans start up with that. I like storming the field after a huge win. When we beat Alabama for the first time in 15 years, it was a blast when we stormed the field. The same when we beat Arkansas to win the SEC West. Amazing stuff. It's one of the reasons I prefer college football over the NFL. But I do agree that the overrated stuff from Boise was silly. They were ranked higher.

Speaking of that game, I think suspending Blount for the season was the right thing. If it had just been the punch, maybe a few games would be OK. Going after fans pushed it over the edge. I also think the BSU player should be suspended for a game or so. Taunting after the game is stupid.

the first game is always just getting back into the swing of things imo

Don't underestimate South Carolina. They were ranked in the top 15 in the country in total defense last year. How many times did we see a USC defender run the NC State QB down from behind?

On another note about USC: What has happened to Steve Spurrier? His offense has been terrible during his USC tenure. I realize the talent level isn't what he had at Florida, but I still expected some improvement. Wow.

The problem here is that Boise was not unranked. In fact, they were ranked higher than Oregon and favored to win.

 

[dukebound85]

That's interesting. I went to www.usc.edu and didn't find any mention of Steve Spurrier.

har har har

 

[P-Worm]

Okay, this is pretty awesome

Brutal college football hits

P-Worm

 

[dmr727]

I realize I am probably in the minority here, but I actually like that stuff.

No, you're right - I was being unclear. I meant when two teams are generally evenly matched. Upsets are indeed fun, and I enjoy it when the fans go nuts after the game. Although even in that case, I still think an overrated chant does nothing but diminish the winning team's accomplishment.

 

[echeck]

It definitely wasn't a clean game for Boise State's offense, and that will ultimately hurt us until we can prove that it was just first-game jitters. We need to come out in our next game and completely dominate on offense and defense.

As far as the sucker punch goes, it was very poor judgement on Hout's part to tap Blount on the shoulder. I honestly think had he only mouthed off without the shoulder tap then Blount wouldn't have thrown the punch.

Obviously Hout showed extremely poor judgement and poor sportsmanship in what he did, but the bottom line is Blount should have never reacted that way. And it wasn't just a temporary lapse in judgement, because he kept it going as he went down the tunnel. He was definitely heckled, and there are reports that a fan even hit him as he rushed the crowd. I didn't see that, but it wouldn't surprise me if some stupid (likely drunk) fan decided to get involved. But Blount rushed the crowd before the fan supposedly hit him, and then elbowed a cop in the ensuing wrestling match. I saw that first hand. How stupid can you be?

Blount obviously has some serious anger management issues that got the better of him in an incredibly frustrating environment.

And now he's suspended for the rest of his senior season. I kind of feel sorry for the guy, because I would be very surprised if any NFL team will ever give him a second look now. This young man has potentially destroyed his career. That's sad.

 

[thegoldenmackid]

The fact that Hout is not getting any punishment is ridiculous in my opinion. It in no way excuses the actions that were taken by Blount, but without Hout doing what he did, I doubt very many of us would know who Mr. Blount was.

 

[echeck]

The fact that Hout is not getting any punishment is ridiculous in my opinion. It in no way excuses the actions that were taken by Blount, but without Hout doing what he did, I doubt very many of us would know who Mr. Blount was.

For what it's worth I completely agree that Hout should have been suspended for at least one game. I feel that Blount felt justified in his sucker punch because Hout touched him first. Granted Blount overreacted, but Hout should still have some disciplinary action against him as well.

In regards to the "over-rated" chants, I never heard any so ESPN must have caught a little group chanting it. First, Boise State was only ranked higher than Oregon in the AP poll. The Coaches Poll has Oregon higher than Boise State. And second, if you say larger schools never chant "over-rated" then you're one brick short of a load because I heard those exact same taunts during the Texas/Oklahoma game last year.

I love how every little thing about smaller schools is nitpicked and called immature when the exact same thing happens all over the country.

I see fans taunt/heckle players as they leave fields all the time on TV. And there are PLENTY of high-emotion games where there is post-game smack talk. So get over yourselves when you say this would never happen in the BCS conferences.

 

[Heb1228]

Just want to throw a Go Hokies! in here for tomorrow night's game.

I know no one in sports media thinks an SEC team could possibly lose a game like this, but I think Tech has a good chance at this one. Did you hear them in last night's game?

• South Carolina's players are so much bigger and more athletic!
• South Carolina has just been dominating this game! (When it was 7-0)
• NC State just can't handle the speed of an SEC defense!

Really both teams looked bad and 6 minutes left in the game it was anyone's ball game. Announcers just make me sick with their drooling over any and all things SEC (or the USC Trojans).

 

[gibbz]

And second, if you say larger schools never chant "over-rated" then you're one brick short of a load because I heard those exact same taunts during the Texas/Oklahoma game last year.

Yeah this is true. I had to endure it while sitting in the Cotton Bowl last year as Texas fans gave us the business

 

[Heb1228]

And second, if you say larger schools never chant "over-rated" then you're one brick short of a load...

You're right, they do chant overrated... and they're idiots for it.

From the Cheering Guide at Tail Gate Fever:

Chants of "Overrated" only make us look like a bunch of small-timers getting a lucky win. It also means that you just beat a team that wasn't very good….so what are you so excited about? Losing with class and winning with class should be a given at this point.

 

[echeck]

You're right, they do chant overrated... and they're idiots for it.

From the Cheering Guide at Tail Gate Fever:

Oh, I'm not defending it. I think it's stupid too. I was just making the point that larger schools' fans do it too.

Point made.

The only thing I did was mockingly hold up my hands in an 'O' (Duck fans always do this) and yelled "Oh and One!"

I thought it was clever.


Oh! And Go Hokies! I want Va. Tech to do really well this season so as to make our meeting next year even more interesting.

 

[dmr727]

Yeah this is true. I had to endure it while sitting in the Cotton Bowl last year as Texas fans gave us the business

And that's lame.

EDIT: Welp, looks like you Sooners are getting the last laugh over this particular Longhorn. I was looking forward to a great day of watching football and drinking beer, and I just now got a call telling me that I have to take a couple of OU fans to Dallas tomorrow. Day. Ruined.

 

[steve2112]

Just want to throw a Go Hokies! in here for tomorrow night's game.

I know no one in sports media thinks an SEC team could possibly lose a game like this, but I think Tech has a good chance at this one. Did you hear them in last night's game?

• South Carolina's players are so much bigger and more athletic!
• South Carolina has just been dominating this game! (When it was 7-0)
• NC State just can't handle the speed of an SEC defense!

Really both teams looked bad and 6 minutes left in the game it was anyone's ball game. Announcers just make me sick with their drooling over any and all things SEC (or the USC Trojans).

Yeah, both teams played poorly. Both offenses were terrible, and they both had a bunch of mistakes. But the thing about the SEC defense is true. South Carolina was ranked number 13 in the country last year in total defense. The SEC had three teams in the top 10 in total defense, and five in the top 20 in total defense last year. Tennessee and Alabama were #2, and #3, respectively. Florida shut down the #3 offense in the country, and Ole Miss shut down the #4 offense.

Defense: http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/ncaa-m-footbl-fbs-team-total-defense.html

Offense: http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/ncaa-m-footbl-fbs-team-total-offense.html

The speed advantage the upper level SEC teams have isn't just the "skill" positions. Everybody has fast WRs, RBs, and DBs. The speed is on the line. When Florida played Ohio State in the 2007 BCS title game, Troy Smith was repeatedly run down from behind by defensive linemen. The first time it happened, Smith had a shocked look on his face. I don't think he encountered that very often in Big 10 play. Southern Cal often has similar speed, and it shows in their results.

Of course, all this does bring up a chicken and egg type arguement. Are the defenses in the SEC that good, or are the offenses so bad that it makes the defenses look good? (The SEC had 3 teams in the bottom 20 in total offense. Not surprisingly, two of the three have new coaches.)

As for the Bama/Va. Tech game, I think it could go either way. I think the defenses will dominate the game. Bama has a new QB, and the Hokies lost their #1 RB. I don't think either team will dominate.

 

[echeck]

Day. Ruined.

That sucks!

Call in sick?