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Wow. I know the rumors are rampant, but it's really starting to sound like the Big 12 is on the verge of collapsing...

Here are a couple articles I just read on espn.com

Nebraska and Missouri given an ultimatum by the Big 12?

Pac-10 commissioner given permission to pursue expansion

The articles have a bit of overlapping info, but I found this quote to be very interesting:

ESPN.com said:
"I've talked to the Pac-10," said the Big 12 school administrator who spoke to the Austin newspaper. "There is an invitation. When it comes, it'll come fast."

This is fascinating stuff! :)
 
Here is a really interesting story by Yahoo's Dan Wetzel.

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe all but killed his own conference on April 30, 2008.

That’s when he decided to team up with the Big Ten and Pac-10 to reject a four-team playoff being pushed by the SEC and ACC. If the Big 12 (and/or the Big East) had supported it, the so-called “Plus One” model likely would’ve happened.

Even that modest playoff would have meant hundreds of millions of additional revenue for college athletics. It would have then allowed for easy expansion for an even more lucrative 16-team postseason. That would have solved all the monetary concerns that have left the Big 12 on the verge of collapse at the hands of its one-time allies, the Big Ten and Pac-10.

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The only thing I disagree with is that somehow Texas is the victim here. I'm quite certain that they are the ones, along with the power brokers in the Big 10, who wanted the status quo to remain.
 
Looks like no MWC bid for Boise State...yet.

The Mountain West has announced that it does not have plans to expand at this time. This is surprising news since it seemed pretty much a guarantee the conference was going to expand this week by inviting the Broncos. However, for whatever reason not released, they've decided to pass this time around.

Also this...

I agree. RT @GeorgeSchroeder Still think Boise gets into MWC ... next week or next month. With K-St, I-St and ... Baylor? Colorado?
 
Interesting times! I don't really care what UT does one way or the other - I'm sure they'll end up doing whatever makes them the most money in the long run. I just wish it'd force Mack Brown to schedule well OOC, but I doubt that'll happen.
 
I must admit I'm surprised the MWC didn't invite Boise State today. From everything I had heard I thought it was a done-deal.

The invite could still happen, but it's all up in the air now. Going to the MWC would obviously help with a competition standpoint, but we've done pretty well for ourselves in the WAC.

So the real question is this... Which conference will be the first to act??

My vote is Larry Scott and the PAC-10.
 
I must admit I'm surprised the MWC didn't invite Boise State today. From everything I had heard I thought it was a done-deal.

The invite could still happen, but it's all up in the air now. Going to the MWC would obviously help with a competition standpoint, but we've done pretty well for ourselves in the WAC.

So the real question is this... Which conference will be the first to act??

My vote is Larry Scott and the PAC-10.

The MWC didn't add Boise today because it's not a smart move anymore. They will wait patiently to see what happens to the Big 12, then invite the remnants of that league and (probably) also Boise. Jumping the gun just doesn't make sense when you might be able to get Colorado, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St., etc.
 
The MWC didn't add Boise today because it's not a smart move anymore. They will wait patiently to see what happens to the Big 12, then invite the remnants of that league and (probably) also Boise. Jumping the gun just doesn't make sense when you might be able to get Colorado, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St., etc.

I completely agree. I think the invite will still happen, but the MWC is smart to hold off to see what happens with the Big 12.
 
This is an interesting article from espn.com regarding Kansas, and how they may soon find themselves without a "major" conference to be a part of.

Obviously this is a football thread, and this article was on espn.com's college football page, but it brings up a very interesting point regarding Kansas' historic basketball program and how it basically means nothing in regards to conference expansion.

Kansas basketball coach Bill Self said:
"Football is driving the bus," Self said. "There's no question. I'm sure the higher-ups would say it's an entire university situation, but I don't believe that to be the case at all. That's a piece of the equation. But the biggest piece is football.

"To actually change the whole scope of athletics and leave some schools out in the cold that have meant so much for the NCAA and for other institutions, to me, is a pretty tough pill to swallow."
 
This is an interesting article from espn.com regarding Kansas, and how they may soon find themselves without a "major" conference to be a part of.

Obviously this is a football thread, and this article was on espn.com's college football page, but it brings up a very interesting point regarding Kansas' historic basketball program and how it basically means nothing in regards to conference expansion.

I'm being obvious here, but it's only a tough pill to swallow only because Self's team might be left out in the cold. If he was coaching at a school that was included in the talks (his alma mater is Oklahoma State) he wouldn't be saying anything about it. Kansas has been more than willing to take whatever benefits it can get from being a big dog in basketball (better seeding in the NCAA tournament, more TV exposure, hometown calls in every arena in the nation, etc.), but suddenly they're on the outside looking in because their football has historically sucked and it's all "woe is us." Pfft.
 
My question is what happens to the leftovers like Kansas and Kansas State if the Big 12 dissolves? Do they join the Mountain West and lose their AQ status?

P-Worm
 
My question is what happens to the leftovers like Kansas and Kansas State if the Big 12 dissolves? Do they join the Mountain West and lose their AQ status?

P-Worm

Maybe the addition of KU and KSTATE to the MWC would make the MWC a BCS conference? I mean KU has won a few Orange Bowls and KSTATE is a relative football power

I would love for KU to be in the MWC as I am also a Jayhawk fan so CSU/KU games would be a must!

I am really interest how this will play out
 
I'm being obvious here, but it's only a tough pill to swallow only because Self's team might be left out in the cold.

I completely agree. For what it's worth, I definitely wasn't empathizing with Self, I just thought it was interesting. :) But they need to be honest with themselves too, because football does rule the roost when it comes to money.

Do they join the Mountain West and lose their AQ status?

Can you imagine that?? It's no wonder Kansas is so desperately begging Nebraska to stay put. The thought of losing millions of dollars for doing nothing has GOT to be stressful!! ;)
 
Wow....... USC can get up to two years post season ban...:

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5267933

The USC football program will receive two-year postseason ban, a reduction in scholarships and a forfeiture of wins from at least the 2004 season when the NCAA releases it sanctions on Thursday, a source told ESPN's Shelley Smith.

ESPN the Magazine's Bruce Feldman confirmed the two-year postseason ban and a reduction in scholarships from a second USC source.

USC will respond Thursday to the NCAA's findings following its investigation into possible violations by the Trojans' football and men's basketball programs, a source with direct knowledge of the situation told ESPN's Joe Schad.

There is no press conference scheduled for Thursday. According to an SID at USC, the school would issue a statement in response to any NCAA announcement addressing penalties. A different source had said earlier in the day that the school would have a press conference following the NCAA announcement.

The NCAA infractions committee held a hearing in February in which USC presented its responses to allegations of NCAA violations. Results of the report have been expected for several weeks.

USC football players will be informed about the sanctions at a mandatory meeting Thursday morning, a source told Feldman.

Once released, USC would have a chance to appeal.

USC already admitted wrongdoing with the basketball program and sanctioned itself, including a ban on postseason participation, a reduction of scholarships and vacating all of its wins from 2007-08.

The school's football team is under investigation for its dealing with Heisman Trophy-winning running back Reggie Bush, who played at the school from 2003-05. If Bush is found retroactively ineligible, the Heisman Trust could strip him of his 2005 award.

The NCAA and investigators from the Pac-10 Conference have tried to determine whether Bush and his parents took improper benefits, including an alleged rent-free residence provided by a sports marketer. Bush has not met with NCAA and Pac-10 investigators and has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing.

USC chose to contest the allegation against the football program, hoping to overcome the perception of a lack of institutional control, which could result in significant sanctions, including scholarship reductions, TV and postseason bans, recruiting restrictions and probation.

If USC is found guilty of major violations, the NCAA also could rule that the Trojans are "repeat violators." Per NCAA rules, "An institution shall be considered a 'repeat' violator if the Committee on Infractions finds that a major violation has occurred within five years of the starting date of a major penalty."

The athletic program was last sanctioned in August of 2001.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
 
I can't imagine what a post-season ban will do to the morale of the team. Imagine having nothing to play for. It's like a season of scrimmages.

The worst part of that is the fact that none of the existing players were to blame.

Now back to the expansion topic, I have a question...

Obviously nothing is "for sure," but this PAC-10 expansion sure seems imminent. So let's say it happens, and Texas, Tech, A&M, Colorado, OU and OK State all jump ship for the PAC-10, and Nebraska leaves for the Big Ten.

Okay, so this all happens, but that can't all go down for next season, can it? I would expect it to take a couple of years for everything to get finalized, or could it get done in a year?

If it does take a couple of years to finalize, I wouldn't think the Big 12 would just sit back and accept defeat. Wouldn't they start poaching other teams? Mostly MWC/C-USA teams? So the Big 12 as we know it would be dead, but the league itself wouldn't be, would it?
 
Wow....... USC can get up to two years post season ban...:

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5267933

annnnnnnnd this is why Carrol left

way to ruin a program petey

I can't imagine what a post-season ban will do to the morale of the team. Imagine having nothing to play for. It's like a season of scrimmages.

The worst part of that is the fact that none of the existing players were to blame.

Now back to the expansion topic, I have a question...

Obviously nothing is "for sure," but this PAC-10 expansion sure seems imminent. So let's say it happens, and Texas, Tech, A&M, Colorado, OU and OK State all jump ship for the PAC-10, and Nebraska leaves for the Big Ten.

Okay, so this all happens, but that can't all go down for next season, can it? I would expect it to take a couple of years for everything to get finalized, or could it get done in a year?

If it does take a couple of years to finalize, I wouldn't think the Big 12 would just sit back and accept defeat. Wouldn't they start poaching other teams? Mostly MWC/C-USA teams? So the Big 12 as we know it would be dead, but the league itself wouldn't be, would it?
Correct, everything I have read is that this will be a few years out for when it goes into effect
 
Everything I'm hearing and reading says that the Big 12 will be dead on Friday when Nebraska announces a move to the Big 10. At that point, the Pac-10 will offer UT, A&M, TT, OU, OSU, CU invitations, but there might be a wrench in the works called the SEC. According to Sports Illustrated and some things I'm hearing from self-proclaimed "insiders" at A&M, there is a very real chance A&M could go to the SEC, with or without Texas (and possibly the Oklahoma schools).

Supposedly there are two factions at A&M right now, one led by Gov. Rick Perry (former A&M yell leader) that wants to see A&M stay together with Texas (most likely to go to the Pac-16) and another led by Gene Stallings (former A&M player and coach, current A&M regent) that wants to go to the SEC regardless of what Texas does. There are supposed to be all sorts of meetings today, between A&M factions internally and externally with UT people, to hash things out.

As for the rest of the Big 12, it is unlikely they would be able to stay together and pick off teams from other conferences because they wouldn't have any football clout left. The most likely scenario is, as previously mentioned, the Mountain West grabbing whomever is attractive to them and the rest scattering to wherever they can find the best seat. Supposedly Missouri is no longer wanted by the Big 10, so they could be really screwed after prancing around for the last year like a bunch of self-important boobs.

By tomorrow afternoon, college football could look completely, 100% different than it looked today, but it seems unlikely that any actual moves would come until next summer because schedules have already been made and tickets have already been sold.
 
By tomorrow afternoon, college football could look completely, 100% different than it looked today, but it seems unlikely that any actual moves would come until next summer because schedules have already been made and tickets have already been sold.

That would sure make for a strange 2010 season, wouldn't it? Knowing that you're playing the end of an era and the next season would be radically different.

P-Worm
 
Colorado is gone to the Pac-10. Looks like the implosion starts one day early.


That would sure make for a strange 2010 season, wouldn't it? Knowing that you're playing the end of an era and the next season would be radically different.

P-Worm

Sure would, but we've experienced it a few times. Arkansas announced in 1990 that it was leaving the SWC for the SEC after the 1991 season. After being the top team in the SWC for a few years, they proceeded to get hammered by just about everyone over the next two years.

Coincidence? Probably not.
 
F Pete Carroll, F the NCAA. This is BS.

Here's to hoping our team is in the BCS bowl picture and causes a ton of controversy around bowl time.
 
The reports are saying Nebraska is a done deal to the Big Ten.

So everyone thinks the PAC-10 is still going to 16, but I could see them stopping at 12. Utah? Oklahoma? I just don't see Texas/Tech/A&M being broken up.
 
Why should there be controversy over punishment when rules were broken?

P-Worm

Because none of the current players were involved in what happened. Reggie Bush allegedly received benefits from a 3rd party (not USC). I get it, USC should have known about it. Punish us, but not this badly. Two years of bowl games? 20 scholarships?
 
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