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2010 Formula One Thread

I finally had a chance to watch the race, and was quite impressed. However overtaking due to dirty air still proves to be too much of a problem when there is good traction.:(

Disappointed in Hamiltons comments, as he knows, crap happens, and hes not the only one allowed to make mistakes in the team (and wouldn't McLaren have experience there in the moral dept. :rolleyes:)

Well shoot, if we want more rain, let the tracks install misters above the asphalt, or just turn on the sprinklers randomly during the race:D
 
rezenclowd3 said:
I finally had a chance to watch the race, and was quite impressed. However overtaking due to dirty air still proves to be too much of a problem when there is good traction.:(
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they really dropped the ball last year by allowing the Double Diffuser. Not only was obviously illegal, but everybody warned that this was going to be the exact consequence. Unfortunately max's desire to stick it to the big teams prevailed
rezenclowd3 said:
Well shoot, if we want more rain, let the tracks install misters above the asphalt, or just turn on the sprinklers randomly during the race:D
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hehe

they should just use super-hard tires.

a wet-like effect without the wet.
and less graining would make the sides of the track more usable.
 
Brembo is saying the breaks were not the problem. According to Red Bull (via Brembo) it was the result of, "torque drive between the front left axle and wheel had been lost."

I guess torque drive = incorrect mounting?
 
Oh I wish I saw this thread earlier. Australia was a fantastic race! I got so bored of F1 that I stopped watching the races, but I decided to watch this one because I could see it live. It was the first time in a long time I actually watched the whole race through. Usually I get bored half way through and browse the interwebs. Poor Vettel, though!
 
Wow! This is going to be an interesting race tomorrow. What an unusual grid. Well done to Lotus in getting a car through to Q2 and what an amazing drive by Webber to get pole by over a second. Big call to take those tyres but it worked.
 
Shame Mark didn't win it today but it's his own fault for letting Seb through at the first corner.

Good race otherwise, and it was interesting to see Hamilton and the others coming through.
 
Have to give Alonso his due for driving the entire race without a clutch, yet not only passing cars, but posting competitive times right up until the engine failed.
 
Good racing till the end, however did get booring as usual near the end just because passing in the turbulent air is so hard. As the above said, good drive by Alonso, must have been so distracting waiting for the downshift to work.

After thinking about it, I don't like the 2 tire rule. Sure it makes sure others on on different lap times, BUUUT its like a crutch for passing people. At least it looks like teams may be able to change ride height for qualifying vs race if the FIA approve it. Dunno why a dynamic ride height system is banned though....same with ground effects...oh wait, the losing teams complained because they didn't have the advantage like Lotus or Brabham....
 
rezenclowd3 said:
Dunno why a dynamic ride height system is banned though....same with ground effects...oh wait, the losing teams complained because they didn't have the advantage like Lotus or Brabham....
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Because both have the potential to be dangerous. Both can and have contributed to accidents and/or deaths, depending on how they are implemented.
 
McLaren believes Red Bull (and I've also heard Ferrari) are employing a system using chilled gas to "relax" the suspension members so the cars ride lower in qualifying and then, as the gas warms and escapes, the suspension pieces rise back up. So the cars are around 10mm lower to the ground during qualifying and then rise back up by race day where that extra clearance is necessary once the race fuel load is added.

So this might be the FIA trying to close a loop-hole, be it currently used* or now that such a system is considered possible, might be used.

* - RB formally denies having an "active suspension", though this type of set-up is not a dynamic system like the active suspensions of the early 1990s.
 
SpookTheHamster said:
Because both have the potential to be dangerous. Both can and have contributed to accidents and/or deaths, depending on how they are implemented.
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I would think with teams current understanding of ground effects, and with todays manufacuring tech, it could become safer, with rules of course. Then get rid of the upper bodywork aero.....I just really really REALLY hope FIA/FOTA figure something out for passing. Its just out of hand, ESPECIALLY when one can not leave the racing line to pass because it doesn't have enough traction....
 
rezenclowd3 said:
I would think with teams current understanding of ground effects, and with todays manufacuring tech, it could become safer, with rules of course. Then get rid of the upper bodywork aero.....I just really really REALLY hope FIA/FOTA figure something out for passing. Its just out of hand, ESPECIALLY when one can not leave the racing line to pass because it doesn't have enough traction....
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The problem isn't really the understanding of ground effects. It's what happens when the car is too far from the ground for the effects to work. Say a bump (lots of tracks have them), kerb or interaction with another car. The driver goes from having so much downforce the car will stick to just about anything to absolutely none whatsoever in an instant. It's not progressive, it's not controllable. That's why it causes huge accidents.
 
SpookTheHamster said:
Because both have the potential to be dangerous. Both can and have contributed to accidents and/or deaths, depending on how they are implemented.
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So did wings once, slicks too...

robbieduncan said:
It's what happens when the car is too far from the ground for the effects to work.
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Or too close of course. ;)

Let's remember though that the cause/consequences you describe have occurred in F1 post the ground effect ban, such a phenomena contributed (some would suggest caused) the fatal accident of Ayrton Senna for example, and Schumacher suffered a similar accident in Brazil in 2004.

Though much of the safety concerns of running an F1 car with ground effects would be (to a degree) negated by allowing the return of active suspension and the introduction of active aerodynamics, in that the car is then not reliant solely on one area to generate downforce and grip, thus preventing (or at least reducing) the potential for a catastrophic sudden loss of downforce. Remember, ground effects were banned before the introduction of active suspension.

Of course the safety argument then is that the cars will corner too fast... but really that's not much of an argument is it, because the power of the cars can simply be reduced so that they are on average not significantly faster than they are today on either the straight or through the corners, but they will of course be generating substantially more grip, creating the potential for more overtaking.

Well... I think so anyway. :p
 
OllyW said:
I expect Sebastien Buemi was on the radio requesting a clean pair of underpants after this happened in first practice. :eek:
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I think there'll be some explaining to do there! Considering the complete failure of the front-end of the car I thought that it looked like quite a well controlled (by the circuit) environment. Clearly steering down to instinct as he was still turning the wheel despite having no front wheels on the car :p
 
My main concern about this incident is the wheels. This incident (with the wheels being tethered and then bouncing over into the crowd) and the problems with the mirrors not actually being able to see enough makes me worry about the safety aspects being neglected again.
 
MOFS said:
My main concern about this incident is the wheels. This incident (with the wheels being tethered and then bouncing over into the crowd) and the problems with the mirrors not actually being able to see enough makes me worry about the safety aspects being neglected again.
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The wheel tethers did not fail. They have to be attached to the uprights, which are the part that failed. When the uprights failed there was nothing left to attach to.
 
SpookTheHamster said:
The wheel tethers did not fail. They have to be attached to the uprights, which are the part that failed. When the uprights failed there was nothing left to attach to.
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I've seen people suggest that they should be connected to a part of the car that is more "permanent". But the problem I see with that is that the wheels would then be tethered in such a way that they'd swing around and smack the driver in the face.
 
robbieduncan said:
I've seen people suggest that they should be connected to a part of the car that is more "permanent". But the problem I see with that is that the wheels would then be tethered in such a way that they'd swing around and smack the driver in the face.
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I think the other thing would be that with them having some much momentum and pulling in different directions, the actual integrity of the chassis could be at risk.

Will to watch the race (was on nights) - sounds like Button is the new reinmeister!
 
robbieduncan said:
I've seen people suggest that they should be connected to a part of the car that is more "permanent". But the problem I see with that is that the wheels would then be tethered in such a way that they'd swing around and smack the driver in the face.
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Like what? You can't connect to the wheel, it's spinning.
 
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