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2010 Formula One Thread
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I think the team order rule should be kept, but in a different format. I hate seeing somebody robbed of a deserved win and if it was enforceable I'd like them to stay banned outright, but it isn't.
The new rule should be something like this: "Team orders that affect the outcome of a race are banned, unless they are not noticed by the fans and stewards."
Everybody's happy, we think we're seeing racing and the teams can mess with the results.
no, i rather them be in the open and people taking responsibility for their strategic decisions.
not interested in wrestling on wheels.
So - DLR out and Heidfeld in for the remainder of the season at Sauber. I feel bad for DLR since he's been doing pretty well, but I guess this is another consequence of now in-season testing. Ironic since he came over from testing status.
Any idea what this does to Pirelli testing for 2011?
Any idea what this does to Pirelli testing for 2011?
Isn't it still possible that if Massa was +7 for the Germany win that he'd still be in the hunt? They've said only 5 drivers are left in the championship, but I don't understand how they're coming up with that figure. Heck, it's possibly none of the top 5 finish in the point for the remainder of the season and somebody from the middle jumps out and wins the championship. Granted that is unlikely, but it's still possible.
Your over the top Ferrari love and Mclaren hate is good to see, reminds me of the bbc sport forums.
*strokes chin*
Do you think my over the top Ferrari love balances out the irrational (not to mention often hypocritical) hatred of Ferrari that we have on these boards? I don't think it does you know.
I remember them struggling when Michelin were challenging them - Renault probably won the title because of their tyres, and Michelin probably only left because of the debacle at Indianapolis. Bridgestone seem to go for very conservative compounds.
On a side issue, there are rumours Legard might be dropped for Charlie Cox. I like Charlie Cox, and wouldn't mind him or one of the 5live commentators, and actually seeing James Allen's bits online he might be a good choice again.
We'll he'd be 7 points closer, but still 56 points behind, or to put it another way, it'd take him at least 3 races to take the lead in the WDC, and remember there's only 5 races left.
And the other ramification would have course have been that Alonso would be a further 7 points off the lead, and more than a race win from potentially being able to take the WDC lead. Therefore, in Ferrari's case anyway, they would be in a significantly weaker championship position.
I suspect the reason why they're coming up with that figure is because 5 drivers are all within a 1 race win of potentially being able to take the lead in the WDC.
The rest of your post, whilst possible is highly improbable isn't it.
Renault certainly won the titles in '05 and '06 because of the similarity of their relationship to Michelin as Ferrari had with Bridgestone, though of course Ferrari earn't theirs, unlike Renault which was undoubtedly the result of defacto-nationalistic-favouritism.
From what I recall of the whole tyre-saga, Michelin pulling out of the sport wasn't a decision they made based on the Indy-debacle itself, but more the FIA deciding on having a control tyre after Indygate. A decision that was in all probability only made because of the particularly shameful behaviour of Michelin and the Michelin's teams, and thus the subsequent decision by Michelin's not to participate in a sport that didn't offer them a competitive challenge.
Regarding Bridgestone, I just wouldn't be surprised if they can't be bothered to invest in new compound development given their imminent withdrawal from F1… that said, I suspect they'd be loathe to introduce compounds that fell apart after a few laps because of the potentially negative image that may portray.
I'm not a fan of Legard, he's too much in the vein of the overexcitable… which was also a problem with James Allen, "and here COMES JEEEENNNNNSSSSOOOOOONNNNN!" or any such variations… as in…. "and here COMES HAAAAMMMMMIIIIILLLLTOOOOOOOONNNNN!".
Charlie Cox would certainly be an interesting edition, I like the MotoGP commentary team, they work well as a pairing, but I'd still be inclined to use the current 5Live team with Crofty, Chandhok & Davidson. Brilliant they are.
Seem's that Romain Grosjean is replacing Heidfeld after Pirelli and Quick Nick came to a mutual agreement to terminate their testing agreement so as to avoid any potential accusations of favouritism in the future.
Certainly seems like the fairest approach for next years tyre development, something that was entirely missed by the BBC commentary team last weekend when they were seriously suggesting (without even the slightest hint of irony it should be said) that Schumacher missed a trick by not immediately signing up to the Pirelli testing role.
Yeah... 'cos that would've gone down stellar with those that already think Schumacher only won 91 races and 7 championships because of that kind of favouritism. And cheating of course. Don't forget the cheating. 
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Indygate? Seriously? Ugh, stop using 'gate for every damn thing people!
I don't hate Ferarri, I just do not like Alonso, but I do like his driving and determination. I just don't like Ferarri road cars..yawn. Give me a Koenigsegg....
I don't hate Ferarri, I just do not like Alonso, but I do like his driving and determination. I just don't like Ferarri road cars..yawn. Give me a Koenigsegg....
As 'gate' is often used with negative connotation, I think "Indygate" is apropos. I was there. It was ugly.
rezenclowd3
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But Water"gate" was a place, in which the situation dealt with lies and conspiracy. Spy"gate" was appropriate, but not much else. It is just absurdly overused.
Just to be clear... I didn't coin the term.
My emphasis... much like the events at the 2005 Indianapolis Grand Prix then.
rezenclowd3
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Seriously, race over and no thoughts! Shame on you MRU!
I am so very bummed that Hamilton had a DNF due to Mark Webber, however its only karma for the time he cut Vettel's tire
I am so very bummed that Hamilton had a DNF due to Mark Webber, however its only karma for the time he cut Vettel's tire
nice race today.
One of my least favorite circuits, but there was some good entertainment.
hamilton got unlucky. it was a good pass but at the end was a regular racing incident. correct decision by the stewards.
great duel between alonso and vettel. too bad he didn't attempt a pass, but it would have been very difficult.
amazing charge by kubica at the end.
One of my least favorite circuits, but there was some good entertainment.
hamilton got unlucky. it was a good pass but at the end was a regular racing incident. correct decision by the stewards.
great duel between alonso and vettel. too bad he didn't attempt a pass, but it would have been very difficult.
amazing charge by kubica at the end.
I'm not sure if I like the circuit itself or not layout wise. The environment it is in, is truly amazing though, and at night so futuristic almost Blade Runner-esque.
And sparks too, me likes the sparks. Personally I think I'd have given Webber a drive through, whilst it would've been a marginal decision, he'd lost the corner, he was the best part of half a car length behind, and he was only that close because he'd braked so ridiculously late (compare his braking to the king of the late-brakers next to him) that it's questionable as to whether he'd have made the corner without contact even if Hamilton had given more room.
That said, I'd have also given Kobayashi a drive through for colliding with Schumacher, had he not crashed out only a few laps later of course. Instead, I'd give him a grid penalty for the next race.
I'd have been inclined to give Schumacher a drive through for the incident with Heidfeld too.
At least the stewards were consistent yesterday, consistent in their inaction, but consistent all the same I guess.
Speaking of Schumacher, the BBC crew really laid into him yesterday, somewhat unfairly I thought.
When we consider the number of incidents, neither Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel or Webber have particularly basked in the glory of perfection this season either.Really great race by Fred though, given the Red Bull's speed he really shouldn't have won this race. And given that Korea is very much in doubt, Germany is beginning to look like a bit of a master stroke of team strategy now isn't it.
I'm affriad Hamilton's championship hopes have gone out the window will all of the unscored points the last two races. Granted anything can happen in the last 4 (or potentially 3) races, but the car will need a big improvement.
I think potentially the worst outcome for the championship will be:
Vettle - too many mistakes this season and some of them really bad ones based on his own decisions.
Alonso - He's just been there and hasn't done much of anything. The last two races have been good driving, or at least qualifying, but I don't feel like he's done much to earn the championship should it come to him. Also, let's not for get about the incident. Should he win I think that in itself would merit an * next to the title.
As much as he's caused some pain to other drivers this year I feel like Webber has at least been out there battling for the lead and the title - mind you despite getting screwed over by his team earlier in the season.
Granted anything can happen in the last 4 (or potentially 3) races, but the car will need a big improvement.I think potentially the worst outcome for the championship will be:
Vettle - too many mistakes this season and some of them really bad ones based on his own decisions.
Alonso - He's just been there and hasn't done much of anything. The last two races have been good driving, or at least qualifying, but I don't feel like he's done much to earn the championship should it come to him. Also, let's not for get about the incident. Should he win I think that in itself would merit an * next to the title.
As much as he's caused some pain to other drivers this year I feel like Webber has at least been out there battling for the lead and the title - mind you despite getting screwed over by his team earlier in the season.
I'm affriad Hamilton's championship hopes have gone out the window will all of the unscored points the last two races.
I think potentially the worst outcome for the championship will be:
Vettle - too many mistakes this season and some of them really bad ones based on his own decisions.
Alonso - He's just been there and hasn't done much of anything. The last two races have been good driving, or at least qualifying, but I don't feel like he's done much to earn the championship should it come to him. Also, let's not for get about the incident. Should he win I think that in itself would merit an * next to the title.
As much as he's caused some pain to other drivers this year I feel like Webber has at least been out there battling for the lead and the title - mind you despite getting screwed over by his team earlier in the season.
I think in one respect Alonso's definitely only up there largely due to the mistakes of the others and Red Bull drivers in particular, who are making extraordinarily hard work of winning the title in that car (much like Jenson did last year) but he's also had some stellar races (Monza & Singapore especially). That said, he's also made some howlers this year himself, (jumpstart, 1st corner Aus, crashing out in FP3 at Monaco, Spa etc ) without those 4 incidents alone, I put to you that Alonso would likely be comfortably leading the championship by now.
I do find it difficult how you can suggest that Vettel has made too many mistakes and therefore argue that he is undeserving of winning the championship, whilst not at the same time pointing the finger at Webber for similar transgressions that were largely of his own doing (Aus, Turkey, Valencia, Singapore for example). That and his behaviour at Silverstone that was bordering on being unbelievably puerile, regardless of the circumstances, surely given those incidents, he would merit an * next to the title should he win the championship?
Like I said in my post above, neither Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel or Webber have particularly covered themselves in glory this year for many reasons, and as much as it pains me to say it, Button's probably been the most consistent, but in the process he's also been absolutely spanked by Hamilton in the speed stakes, and seemingly picks up points more often than not due to the misfortunes of others, rather than taking the race by the horns, in which case one can suggest does a steady eddie really deserve to win the championship again?
My issue (and I agree with your point) is that I view Webber as also having to fight his team some of this year, whereas Vettle has not. I guess that's making me more sympathetic to Webber despite his mistakes.
I totally agree with your point that nobody has been looking consistently fantastic this year.
I totally agree with your point that nobody has been looking consistently fantastic this year.
This season is probably Webber's last chance to win the title. He's getting old (in F1 terms) and with the team behind him, once can expect Vettle to be tougher next year than he has been this year.
I expect RBR will again field the best chassis next year (it's hard to bet against Newey) and Webber will not be going to Ferrari or McLaren and those will be the only two teams in a position to challenge RBR for race wins (as has been the case this year).
So for that reason, I am rooting for him.
I expect RBR will again field the best chassis next year (it's hard to bet against Newey) and Webber will not be going to Ferrari or McLaren and those will be the only two teams in a position to challenge RBR for race wins (as has been the case this year).
So for that reason, I am rooting for him.
you have got to thing Mercedes could have a good car again. Last year they put their all into JB's car so he could fight so this years car was a dog. Also with the new tyres and kers making a return that could seriously mess up Red Bulls progress.
My bet is on Ferrari and Renault to have some strong cars. i also thing the 3 new teams will improve but only enough to challenge Toro Rosso if that.
In terms of this season my hopes are with Alonso. It would be a dream team of Alonso and Kubica at ferrari next year.
I agree with the dude I quoted off about webber, no move, he will finish his career at Red Bull. i expect him to announce his retirement if (which he wont) wins the championship.