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Don't remember this car last year?

Soooo... other than the adoption of a 'V' nose (though the actual shape of the entire nose is substantially different between the two cars) what other similarities are there between them that warrants your implied suggestion that the F10 is a copy of the RB5?
 
I never said it was a copy, but that front end is quite similar.

The similarities are mainly at the front end, with the v in the nose and a sharper transition between the nose and tub.

I think we might be seeing some more ridged noses, Brawn mentioned last year that their new car would 'look a lot like a Red Bull'
 
I never said it was a copy, but that front end is quite similar.

You didn't… but when you make comments such as "Hmmm, where have I seen this car before?" & "At least Williams have a tiny bit of originality.", it is obvious what you are insinuating. ;)

now you point it out I do agree its similar

When you compare photographs of the RB5 and F10 from different angles... they really aren't that similar at all... other than the adoption of the 'V' nose, and even then the F10's actual nose is an entirely different shape altogether.
 
I said similar were Spook mentioned, that sort of ridge on the side, which seemed unique last year.
 
New Renault announced ...

... and Vitaly Petkov to drive alongside Kubica.

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First thoughts: Jordan much? I'm sure it even had Total sponsorship towards the end.

NB: Yes, I know these are Renault corporate colours. My comments are towards the sharky-black bits reminiscent of the Benson and Hedges "Buzzin Hornets" branding.
 
Without the colour scheme it'd be a really pretty car, but the shade of yellow they've chosen really doesn't go. The original Renault liveries were really nice, but that is just too much.

The Sauber is a really nice looking car though. I hope they do well.
 
The Renault looks 1000x better than their livery of the last few years. The car is not much different to last years - they're sticking with a very very similar nose whilst almost everyone else is going higher and pointy in the RB style.

As for Sauber - why is it still called BMW Sauber? It's a Ferrari engine for goodness sake. Can't they afford new headed notepaper or something?

As for 'originality' - F1 isn't about being original. It's about being fast.
 
As for Sauber - why is it still called BMW Sauber? It's a Ferrari engine for goodness sake. Can't they afford new headed notepaper or something?
A team can't just change their name. They have to go before the FIA and get it approved, with consensus from the other teams. Peter Sauber said there just isn't a lot of time with more important things to consider preparing for the season. But I'm surprised Ferrari is letting it go.
 
with more important things to consider preparing for the season.

Jordan became Midland became Spyker became Force India.
BAR became Honda became Brawn
Teams can and do change their names at the drop of a hat, because the FIA and the other teams have no reason to object. That Sauber have not is very very very strange.
 
A team can't just change their name. They have to go before the FIA and get it approved, with consensus from the other teams. Peter Sauber said there just isn't a lot of time with more important things to consider preparing for the season. But I'm surprised Ferrari is letting it go.

That is true, but misses the most important point. A team changing its name is classed as a new team the next year, and so misses out on any TV/points money it earned the year before.
 
There's no sense disputing the name change with me. I'm just stating what's been reported on Peter Sauber.

I think it's odd the name didn't change to remove BMW, but I don't see it as that big a deal. BMW is now more focused on sports car racing, which I consider a good thing (I go to 3 ALMS races each year, where the RLR BMW M3 GTRs race).
 
That is true, but misses the most important point. A team changing its name is classed as a new team the next year, and so misses out on any TV/points money it earned the year before.

I don't think so, with Mercedes GP having changed their name from Brawn GP, they will receive earnings from the previous year.
 
I don't think so, with Mercedes GP having changed their name from Brawn GP, they will receive earnings from the previous year.

And I think Brawn got some $30M of Honda's FOM TV money for 2008 too, despite Flavio's attempts to stop it.
 
A team changing its name is classed as a new team the next year, and so misses out on any TV/points money it earned the year before.

I was under the impression that buying an existing team, even if you subsequently renamed it, would allow you to keep any benefits that team had accrued which, along with not having to pay the £25 million "repayable entrance fee", to encourage teams to be sold rather then dissolved (especially if such dissolution would reduce the grid to below 18 cars and trigger the "third car" rule).
 
Stefan GP have shipped a container of kit to Bahrain for the first race despite not having a race slot. So which team are they expecting to not turn up? Also love the p.s.
 
I wonder if by using the planned Toyota 2010 car they would be found to be in violation of the "no customer car" rule?
 
Stefan GP have shipped a container of kit to Bahrain for the first race despite not having a race slot. So which team are they expecting to not turn up? Also love the p.s.

Supposedly Bernie has told them to be there just in case.

I wonder if by using the planned Toyota 2010 car they would be found to be in violation of the "no customer car" rule?

No, because Toyota won't be using it.
 
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