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'2010 Mac Pro: Speculation and whisperings, it's gonna be magical'

strausd said:
You can't base the new MP prices off that. If you look at the price differences between the xeon 5570s and the 5670s, the 5550s and the 5650s, and the 5520s and 5620s, there is hardly any difference between them when they first came out.

Basing the 2010 prices on that is total crap. Sure the components have gone down, but Apple hasn't lowered the prices, they are still selling the Mac Pro as if the CPUs are brand new, that is how they have always done their business.
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Sure I can, Xeon CPU pricing doesn't change over it's lifetime. Very few Intel processors do, they tend to just be replaced.
 
are you telling me that there will be no 6 core and 12 core models?

I thought that we would get basic 6 core for 2499 and 12 core for 3299.

Do you really think that is highly unlikely? I've just put my Mac Pro on ebay hoping for 12 core base model for 3299 as it would really speed up my rendering
 
Is this your mac pro?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-Mac-Pro-3...iewItem&pt=Apple_Desktops&hash=item27b3b2e58a


strausd said:
You can't base the new MP prices off that. If you look at the price differences between the xeon 5570s and the 5670s, the 5550s and the 5650s, and the 5520s and 5620s, there is hardly any difference between them when they first came out.

Basing the 2010 prices on that is total crap. Sure the components have gone down, but Apple hasn't lowered the prices, they are still selling the Mac Pro as if the CPUs are brand new, that is how they have always done their business.
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Gloor said:
are you telling me that there will be no 6 core and 12 core models?

I thought that we would get basic 6 core for 2499 and 12 core for 3299.

Do you really think that is highly unlikely? I've just put my Mac Pro on ebay hoping for 12 core base model for 3299 as it would really speed up my rendering
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no its not :)) I'm in UK :)

anyway, when 2008 were released the 2.8 were around $690 and seeing that when 2009 were released the prices went up then I think it is possible to have 2x 6core system as for $3299, dont you think?
 
Gloor said:
no its not :)) I'm in UK :)

anyway, when 2008 were released the 2.8 were around $690 and seeing that when 2009 were released the prices went up then I think it is possible to have 2x 6core system as for $3299, dont you think?
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No. If you go back and look, the price difference between the 2008 8-core model and 2009 8-core was $500. Also, there was an additional 4GB of RAM that came with the stock model. You go look and see how much Apple charges for 4GB of RAM, its $500. I think the price increase had absolutely nothing to do with CPUs.
 
Really? So no chance for 2x6 core model for basic price? I don't want to pay $1000 or more on top of $3299 just to get it. What would be the advantage and speed increase of the rumored gulftown processors vs harpertown ones?
 
Gloor said:
Really? So no chance for 2x6 core model for basic price? I don't want to pay $1000 or more on top of $3299 just to get it. What would be the advantage and speed increase of the rumored gulftown processors vs harpertown ones?
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It's $4,699 for an 8 core 2.66GHz system. The 6 core 2.66GHz processors are slightly more expensive and are the cheapest 6 core Xeon 5000 series processors currently available. Maybe Apple will change back to how it was in 2006 and 2008 which could mean a 12 core for $3,299, but I wouldn't get too excited.
 
fearoftigers said:
"Our source also noted that the Mac Pro is currently on constraint, apparently for 1-2 weeks due to a part issue. While it too could be updated soon, it’s unlikely both updates would occur together"

http://www.macworld.com.au/news/rumour-new-imacs-coming-this-week-13498/
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If they update the imac before the mac pro, that would be a huge insult and slap in the face to the pro users. Even if only a short gap. But it wouldn't surprise me. It's almost like Jobs himself has something against Mac Pro or it's users. Time will tell.
 
xgman said:
If they update the imac before the mac pro, that would be a huge insult and slap in the face to the pro users. Even if only a short gap. But it wouldn't surprise me. It's almost like Jobs himself has something against Mac Pro or it's users. Time will tell.
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I think pro users are getting used to it. They are beginning to look like they have Rosacea :eek: <---- red face, get it.
 
I hope that 6 and 12 core will be really affordable.

Also, there are whispers that it might be tomorrow but we all know how it goes. :)

Anyway, you never know :)))
 
guys, do you have any decent benchmark website that would compare the xeon processors? Ie, harpertown, nehalem and gulftown (early 2008, late 2009 and upcoming(?) 2010) ?

I would like to see the difference in speeds if possible.

Thank you :)
 
Umbongo said:
It's $4,699 for an 8 core 2.66GHz system. The 6 core 2.66GHz processors are slightly more expensive and are the cheapest 6 core Xeon 5000 series processors currently available. Maybe Apple will change back to how it was in 2006 and 2008 which could mean a 12 core for $3,299, but I wouldn't get too excited.
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Well, if you look at this 2 processors then the price difference is not that high

http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=47922,33084,

E5462 = $797
X5650 = $996

Seeing that Early 2008 had 2x E5462 as base line then it is possible to have 2x X5650 in Late 2010, don't you think? I know its $400 difference but 2009 models are more expensive than 2008 ( I know your reasoning but that changed with time) so the chance is there, not?

Or you really think that we will have to pay extra $1400 to get 2x 6?
 
Gloor said:
Well, if you look at this 2 processors then the price difference is not that high

http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=47922,33084,

E5462 = $797
X5650 = $996

Seeing that Early 2008 had 2x E5462 as base line then it is possible to have 2x X5650 in Late 2010, don't you think? I know its $400 difference but 2009 models are more expensive than 2008 ( I know your reasoning but that changed with time) so the chance is there, not?

Or you really think that we will have to pay extra $1400 to get 2x 6?
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We don't know why the pricing changed in 2009, or how it has affected sales so we'll have to wait until tomorrow (hopefully) to find out. That they did it before means it is possible, but I certainly wouldn't expect it.
 
Umbongo said:
We don't know why the pricing changed in 2009, or how it has affected sales so we'll have to wait until tomorrow (hopefully) to find out. That they did it before means it is possible, but I certainly wouldn't expect it.
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true, lets hope all the rumors are right. I even had a very good source today whispering to that direction so lets hope it was a signal for good news :)
 
Well guys, it's been a long hard road and we're not there yet but finally it really does look like well see something within the next 24 hours.

I salute you all!
 
Umbongo said:
We don't know why the pricing changed in 2009, or how it has affected sales so we'll have to wait until tomorrow (hopefully) to find out. That they did it before means it is possible, but I certainly wouldn't expect it.
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See post 231.
 
fearoftigers said:
Well guys, it's been a long hard road and we're not there yet but finally it really does look like well see something within the next 24 hours.

I salute you all!
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Well if it's any good then my Mac Pro will be going straight on ebay!

However I suspect I won't be able to get a 3.33Ghz Mac Pro for £500 more than I could pay now :p
 
strausd said:
Well I still don't think CPUs will cause a big price increase in the new models, the prices are pretty much the same for the new six-core 5600s.
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No nor do I. There was the slight increase in the 2008 models as the processors went up. The 2009 models are weird because the processors they used were a lot cheaper but prices went up.
 
Umbongo said:
No nor do I. There was the slight increase in the 2008 models as the processors went up. The 2009 models are weird because the processors they used were a lot cheaper but prices went up.
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Faster RAM? More RAM? GPU? There are multiple things that can cause that to happen.
 
Umbongo said:
No nor do I. There was the slight increase in the 2008 models as the processors went up. The 2009 models are weird because the processors they used were a lot cheaper but prices went up.
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Its because in 09' Steve Jobs needed surgery to stay alive so he had to raise the price of the Mac Pros.

Now that he had successful surgery and the iPad/iPhone 4 are a huge hit, he's going to lower the price of the 10' Mac Pros. :D
 
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