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Not one word at D8 about Pro level apps or computers
there are one of two things that are going to happen
No Mac pro at wwdc and people are going to be mad switch to pc or buy 8 core

Or

They are going to annouce at the end of june when these processors are available and a new mac pro. If not by the end of june the E....N.....D is near
Its funny I had a dream last night I woke up and saw a new mac pro on apples site.
I will wait till the end of june. I can freeaze tracks and work more with what i have. but I am losing faith in Apple. We are a very small percent of people. I hope they dont screw us.
 
Lord Steve said:
When we were an agrarian nation, all cars were trucks because that's what you needed on the farms. But cars eventually became more prevalent is people moved to cities. PCs will be like trucks...they are still going to be around, but there is a transformation coming, and it will make some people uneasy. Is it the iPad? Who knows? Will it be next year or five years from now?

You really shouldn't have been expecting more than that^ I think we'll be ok.
 
I'm pretty sure they arevwaiting on intel...

Apple is always waiting for someone... AT&T, intel... IBM a few years back.

Maybe that's why apple decided it needed to go with A4... what's next?
 
I'm pretty sure they arevwaiting on intel...
For what though?

The Gulftown based Xeons are out, and are shipping from other vendors. :confused:

Thinking in terms of the mention of new products not yet released (very recent front page article), combined with no indication of a significant hiring spree for developers (not from what I've seen, and have looked from time to time), it appears to me more of a logistics problem. Too many products to develop by too few people, which results in product delays.
 
For what though?

The Gulftown based Xeons are out, and are shipping from other vendors. :confused:

In what quantity though. Or maybe it's about getting deals by waiting, or maybe they just wanted to wait for WWDC. Apple seem to have no qualms about waiting to release things when they feel it'll be right.
 
In what quantity though.
Dell provides them as a CTO system (Precision T5500), and the order to ship time = 1 week according to the web site configuration order tool (US site). And I checked with all of the 56xx parts, Quad or Hex.

As a typical lead time for the processors is 13 weeks, they apparently have plenty of stock on hand. :eek: :D

Or maybe it's about getting deals by waiting, or maybe they just wanted to wait for WWDC. Apple seem to have no qualms about waiting to release things when they feel it'll be right.
Waiting for a better deal from Intel (unless they expect the quantities to be so low they went to the distributor channel instead, which is much more volatile, but sells lower quantities), would be counter productive in terms of competing with other vendors.

Waiting on WWDC, is possible, but IIRC, there was an article on the front page some time back that Apple wanted to get away from dedicated release dates due to event schedules, such as WWDC. Obviously they're still willing to utilize such events for marketing purposes, so who knows if this truly has any bearing or not (I can see coincedence however; delays reached a point that the release would be rather close to a large event, that Apple did decide to utilize it).

It's just the mention of "new yet unreleased products" makes the most sense to me as the primary culprit for the delay. Even over a possible switch to how they obtain the CPU's (this is assuming the actual sales numbers haven't sunk so low as to force such a change).
 
Dell provides them as a CTO system (Precision T5500), and the order to ship time = 1 week according to the web site configuration order tool (US site). And I checked with all of the 56xx parts, Quad or Hex.

As a typical lead time for the processors is 13 weeks, they apparently have plenty of stock on hand. :eek: :D

Waiting for a better deal from Intel (unless they expect the quantities to be so low they went to the distributor channel instead, which is much more volatile, but sells lower quantities), would be counter productive in terms of competing with other vendors.

I'm really just throwing ideas out there at this point, I raised the same thing about Dell before. I guess the problem here in predicting is there is almost no public information on Xeon sales. A few vague statements here and there and some preface and an article or two when Jon Peddie Research put out a new report, but even less so relating to Apple. We don't know if they sell 10,000 or 100,000 Mac Pro's a year.

Waiting on WWDC, is possible, but IIRC, there was an article on the front page some time back that Apple wanted to get away from dedicated release dates due to event schedules, such as WWDC. Obviously they're still willing to utilize such events for marketing purposes, so who knows if this truly has any bearing or not (I can see coincedence however; delays reached a point that the release would be rather close to a large event, that Apple did decide to utilize it).

Yeah that's how I see it. Releasing a week before 2008 Macworld, but waiting for around WWDC 2007 and at 2006 show us that basically that Apple logic doesn't make sense without knowing way more than we do. I think they event thing was more them not having control over Macworld, I mean they set the date of WWDC after all.

It's just the mention of "new yet unreleased products" makes the most sense to me as the primary culprit for the delay. Even over a possible switch to how they obtain the CPU's (this is assuming the actual sales numbers haven't sunk so low as to force such a change).

In the end I doubt we will know. If it comes out next week then it is likely strategy, but as we don't know what goes on behind the scenes, what enginerring resources they have and how much work is required or what those who get input require (let's not forget some are using the Mac Pro and Xserves to generate large income and also in critical systems.

They also have the Apple way of releasing products which no other company seems to use. Apple seem happy to wait and rely on the brand to carry them through quarter after quarter rather than releasing and responding quickly to the competition. They probably don't consider the launch time late if they are making the same sort of profits regardless.
 
I'm really just throwing ideas out there at this point, I raised the same thing about Dell before. I guess the problem here in predicting is there is almost no public information on Xeon sales. A few vague statements here and there and some preface and an article or two when Jon Peddie Research put out a new report, but even less so relating to Apple. We don't know if they sell 10,000 or 100,000 Mac Pro's a year.
You're definitely right on the sales figures of Xeon's, particularly those by Apple. That's why I actually mentioned the distributor channel as a possibility vs. direct from Intel (which requires volume; i.e. volume counted in trays and/or lots).

Yeah that's how I see it. Releasing a week before 2008 Macworld, but waiting for around WWDC 2007 and at 2006 show us that basically that Apple logic doesn't make sense without knowing way more than we do. I think they event thing was more them not having control over Macworld, I mean they set the date of WWDC after all.
I seem to recall that the argument for the change was so they didn't feel forced/obligated to release products on schedules they may not have had full control over.

But underneath that, I also see it as a way to extend development time. The mention of new products (i.e. iPad which as now released), would explain why that additional time is needed.

Another solution of course, is to obtain additional personnel, but that apparently hasn't happened in sufficient quantities. There's pros and cons, but I see the cons out-weighing the pros of keeping the workforce at/about the size it's been for the last few years or so. And I'm wondering if web based products are included in that statement as well, going by the All Things D conference information currently on the front page.

In the end I doubt we will know. If it comes out next week then it is likely strategy, but as we don't know what goes on behind the scenes, what engineering resources they have and how much work is required or what those who get input require (let's not forget some are using the Mac Pro and Xserves to generate large income and also in critical systems.
No, we don't know, nor will it likely ever be. Apple takes their secrecy very seriously.

But there is enough information out that we can make a fairly accurate appraisal of the situation IMO (they're still an electronics company that relies on both human and technological resources - their own as well as others -, as well as the relationship that exists when products are OEM/ODM supplied).

They also have the Apple way of releasing products which no other company seems to use. Apple seem happy to wait and rely on the brand to carry them through quarter after quarter rather than releasing and responding quickly to the competition. They probably don't consider the launch time late if they are making the same sort of profits regardless.
Definitely. They do like to depend on the Brand to sell the products, but in the enterprise market, I can't help but see that as not only a mistake, but a bit arrogant. That market requires the vendor to respond according to need, not what Apple thinks they need, and dictates it.

Unfortunately, this seems to be hurting those who are highly invested in the OS X platform with the recent lack of information, and lowered value perception with the '09 MP and XServe systems (and some expectation of this carrying over). :(
 
3 ways of looking at it.

1 - Apple are just waiting to drop in sufficient volumes of 6 core processors (AFAIK the current systems just need some code updates - OK simplified but there you go) Could happen any time...

But....

2 - Apple know that making the G5 PPC userbase obsolete is going to push sales up to and beyond the 16 June (or whenever the exact date of official obsolescence is).

That could mean waiting at least till July. More if Apple have any other reason to clear stock.

3 - Apple don't have a need to 'keep up with the Jones'. They see the current systems having at least another six months shelf life while the gizmo profits pile in, and THEN they look at new architecture. By then they'll be ready with FCP update and it'll be Pro spotlight time.

My biggest concern on any advance in the MP line is the fact there have been so many other tech leaks from Apple and there's not a been a jot on the MP to date.
 
If Apple was really trying to clear stock I would have though of at least some specials or something, and yes the lack of any real rumors of a release is odd considering how protective Apple is of some of it's other toys that are far more likely to be copied and dissected. I'm not sure we will ever know why this is taking so long, but I would bet on Apple's priorities mixed in with certain parts availability. Apple must have gotten wind of at least some of the disappointment from the pro's over this long delay, so I would have thought that even a slight pre-release announcement with availability to follow sometime later would have served them better than silence.
 
My biggest concern on any advance in the MP line is the fact there have been so many other tech leaks from Apple and there's not a been a jot on the MP to date.

I wonder whether that's because the Mac Pro just isn't 'sexy' to a lot of people. The gadget blogs want pictures of iPhone parts and prototypes and they've not been let down by the now numerous iPhone leaks. Add to that the possibility / probability that the Mac Pro case won't change and a leak must look pretty boring to your average tech blog reader.
Nevertheless it is worryingly quiet, I guess if the information is out there, boring or not it would have been posted here or elsewhere.
 
Blu-ray

If you ask me as a professional, I shoot probably 5000-10,000 (after editing the bad ones) images a month. After editing say 10% of these images will be used for editorial or sold they will be around 50-200mb each. So in 12 months i use around 2TB of space. Add that to the 5 years i have been a professional photographer that would be 10TB and then having a backup array. This cost mounts! If you have a serge or an electrical storm you can say bye bye to all electronic storage. Hence the reason that disc storage will never be overlooked especially for a professional.
Backing up every project is second nature to all professionals. If i shoot 25gbs on a shoot BR gives me the perfect media to back up, DVD's on the other hand i will be sat for hours having to name discs and numbering so i know exactly where the rest of the shoot is.
A blu ray player in my mac pro is an essential and i understand why apple have not added one, as it has been countlessly argued here. But i purchased a pretty standard drive from PC world of all places and the drive was £160 and slotted in nicely and the computer sleeps, doesnt randomly read from the drive (typical problems people have had) and works with toast. So that is my piece of mind. It also paid for itself within one shoot.
The amount of people in this thread that are willing to spend this amount of money on a product you will earn no money from is obserd! 6K with no come back!!!? Do you have more money than sense??? and before i get all the h8 im sure there are plenty pros out there in the thread. But im just trying to add a perspective from a professional point of view, the actual use of disc media is not just to carry documents or view video but to create a fail safe. Thats why blu ray for the professional will not disapere!
On another note!!! is it just me? but i am not willing to send all my files to a service on the web, because A. what happens if this company goes bust? B. there servers fail, C. it would cost me a fortune, i am old fashioned in my views but i dont trust these online storage companys as a full proof way of saving my data, which is so valuable to me and my clients. Plus i cant see 10TB being offered! and at current upload speed i would probaly have to wait 2 years to put that much data on one! it is not an ideal solution.
 
I wonder whether that's because the Mac Pro just isn't 'sexy' to a lot of people. The gadget blogs want pictures of iPhone parts and prototypes and they've not been let down by the now numerous iPhone leaks.

There is a lot of merit to this argument. The Gizmodos of the world are not going to get the page views for a picture of a new Mac Pro motherboard that they'd get for an new iPhone bezel. I think the greater public may not even know that the Mac Pro even exists, let alone care about it.
 
You're definitely right on the sales figures of Xeon's, particularly those by Apple. That's why I actually mentioned the distributor channel as a possibility vs. direct from Intel (which requires volume; i.e. volume counted in trays and/or lots).

No, I don't believe that as a possibility.

Apple is one of Intel's biggest customers. There's no way that Apple would go thru distribution for the Xeon chips. I don't care if they're only buying them 5 at a time, they're buying them direct. Just IMO.
 
No, I don't believe that as a possibility.

Apple is one of Intel's biggest customers. There's no way that Apple would go thru distribution for the Xeon chips. I don't care if they're only buying them 5 at a time, they're buying them direct. Just IMO.
Direct sales are only done with high quantities though.

We just don't know the exact sales figures for the MP and XServe systems, and it's hard to be absolutely certain as to whether or not such a shift has occured. I don't actually think Apple's had to switch to a distributor channel for parts, but it's possible if the '09 MP and XServe systems took a significant nose dive due to the pricing (as the next system model will be based on it's design and pricing, so the sales figures would be in line as well).
 
I wonder whether that's because the Mac Pro just isn't 'sexy' to a lot of people. The gadget blogs want pictures of iPhone parts and prototypes and they've not been let down by the now numerous iPhone leaks. Add to that the possibility / probability that the Mac Pro case won't change and a leak must look pretty boring to your average tech blog reader.
Nevertheless it is worryingly quiet, I guess if the information is out there, boring or not it would have been posted here or elsewhere.

I agree.

I'd also say that what with the iphone leak and I believe an employee got sacked for demoing an ipad hours before the official release time, Apple is on lock down at the moment.

I seem to be seeing a lot of offers on Mac Pros so maybe that is an indicatior that something is on the way?
 
I agree.

I'd also say that what with the iphone leak and I believe an employee got sacked for demoing an ipad hours before the official release time, Apple is on lock down at the moment.

I seem to be seeing a lot of offers on Mac Pros so maybe that is an indicatior that something is on the way?

Where are you seeing these offers? I've been checking places like Amazon, and they have had the exact same amount of Mac Pros in stock for the past 2 months. The prices have remained unchanged as well. Othe stores, such as Best Buy still have Mac Pros available for immediate shipping...

I'm still holding out for WWDC though.
 
Where are you seeing these offers? I've been checking places like Amazon, and they have had the exact same amount of Mac Pros in stock for the past 2 months. The prices have remained unchanged as well. Othe stores, such as Best Buy still have Mac Pros available for immediate shipping...

I'm still holding out for WWDC though.

I'm wondering this too.
 
Gizmodo's take from today (they are more optimistic than I am):

Will there be a Mac Pro upgrade?

The Mac Pro story is essentially the same as the MacBook Air's: overdue for a refresh, rumors swirling, processor delays—in this case Intel's hexacore Xeon CPUs—resolved. So we'll give it the same odds of happening next week.

Probability: 80%.
 
I always found the name Best Buy funny because its not really a BEST BUY, in most cases WORST BUY.
 
Gizmodo's take from today (they are more optimistic than I am):

Will there be a Mac Pro upgrade?

The Mac Pro story is essentially the same as the MacBook Air's: overdue for a refresh, rumors swirling, processor delays—in this case Intel's hexacore Xeon CPUs—resolved. So we'll give it the same odds of happening next week.

Probability: 80%.

Wow...80%, huh? That's pretty damned optimistic.
 
Interestingly enough PCWorld Business (UK) has a couple of Mac Pro (single 2.66 models) as 'clearance' (Am guessing they are returned by customers) for £1309 each inc shipping.

maybe they don't want these to hang about (then again they also have 27" iMac dual cores for less than a grand).....

perhaps I am just hoping here..... :)
 
Usb 3.0?!

Given that Intel has held back the USB3.0 chipset until 2012, I doubt it. I think a more realistic alternative might be the introduction of lightpeak. We all know that apple has been involved in the tech (Intel even did their first presentation on a modified mac pro!), and I think that WWDC would be a great platform to announce a new bus such as this, especially given that Intel seems to have targeted 2010 to get the manufacturing going on the new tech.

Sources:
-BBC
-Intel
Note that the intel site has some good videos.

Anyways, that's my $.02, and my wishlist for the refreshed Mac Pro line.
 
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