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'2010 Mac Pro: Speculation and whisperings, it's gonna be magical'

Well Mac Minis gets a rumor today, so what do we get . . . . nothin. :(
 
User Stetrain posted this in the Gizmodo comments. I'm not so sure about the Verizon/Sprint portion and feel free to reorder the numbers, but this DEFINITELY makes the most sense IMO.

Here's my generic-enough-it-could-really-happen keynote prediction:

1) Sales numbers and figures for iPhone, iPad, etc.

2) Some Mac hardware refreshes. WWDC2009 showed that they're capable of doing both Mac and iPhone stuff in one keynote.

3) OS 4.0: Developers, developers, developers. Scott Forstall. Business management apps. Hopefully a look at OS 4.0 on the iPad.

4) New iPhone hardware. This is the focal point for Apple so it goes in the last third of the keynote.

5?) One more thing: iPad coming to Sprint and Verizon. Probably no actual talk about the iPhone, but moving the iPad cross-carrier would be a pretty good implication.
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It makes more sense than, "Apple is only dedicated to the iPhone OS anymore!!". Give me a break, Apple just updated the MacBook Pro and Macbook. :rolleyes:
 
What wispers?

"We've also heard whispers that Apple could be readying the new Mac Pros very soon."
 
Well lots of rumours this week guys.

It's ironic, just as it looks like we might be seeing a new Mac Pro, all the speculative threads dry up.

So close...yet so far away! Could it be this Tuesday?
 
A BIG FAT NO!!! I don't think it will be this tuesday coming up... I am willing to put a wager on it.. care to bet $100.00 that it won't?

I am game!!


fearoftigers said:
Well lots of rumours this week guys.

It's ironic, just as it looks like we might be seeing a new Mac Pro, all the speculative threads dry up.

So close...yet so far away! Could it be this Tuesday?
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take sean's word for it, how about a $100.00 bet... and if I lose, i pay you $100.00, if I win, then you will owe me $100.00

care to wager? I bet $100.00 that no mac pro will come on Tuesday the 25th.


strausd said:
Sean Dempsey sure thinks so ;)
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Roman23 said:
take sean's word for it, how about a $100.00 bet... and if I lose, i pay you $100.00, if I win, then you will owe me $100.00

care to wager? I bet $100.00 that no mac pro will come on Tuesday the 25th.
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The 25th...
I see what you did there.
 
What did I do?

All I am doing is entering in a wager that the 25th will yield no mac pro... and my promise was to pay the individual who wins, and if I win, they have to pay me.. fair enough though.

But, I know I am going to win because I am really starting to think Apple may not have any interest in the mac pro at least not now.


showtimemh said:
The 25th...
I see what you did there.
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Risky bet

The next time Tuesday is the 25th of the month is Jan., 2011. It seems likely that there will be a new Mac Pro by then.

Roman23 said:
take sean's word for it, how about a $100.00 bet... and if I lose, i pay you $100.00, if I win, then you will owe me $100.00

care to wager? I bet $100.00 that no mac pro will come on Tuesday the 25th.
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perhaps?

maybe, maybe not.. who knows?? I am not a rumor spreader.. i prefer cold, hard evidence and proof.. not open ended air..


BobD2 said:
The next time Tuesday is the 25th of the month is Jan., 2011. It seems likely that there will be a new Mac Pro by then.
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Roman23 said:
maybe, maybe not.. who knows?? I am not a rumor spreader.. i prefer cold, hard evidence and proof.. not open ended air..
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Then why do you take so much interest in a Mac specific RUMOR site? And you should know by now that pretty much anything involving Apple is a rumor, never any cold hard evidence.
 
Tutor said:
"We at Apple have heard your griping on macrumors well-intended suggestions and you know (I really doubt that you can discern the truth) we really value the fact that you'll spend 3 grand or more for whatever old crap next generation technological wonders we hawk design especially for you. So without any further ado we can positively state that it's just not going to be magical - It is magical - $2500 MSRP* for the fastest and most powerful Mac ever, sporting next-generation Intel architecture (you must believe it because I said it) and now the ability to make the system play by your rules - yes, we have now given you ingrates the ability to overclock the CPU, QPI and memory (pictures below prove it (Don't they? We can't bear to have another darn reception/perception glitch)) for optimal performance Hah! because we really value the Mac Pro purchasers (let's wait the longer of 3 years or the introduction of our iFood, iSex, iHigh, iSpouse, iChildren, iHome, iCar, iPlane, iEnergy, iAmerica, iGreen, iSick, iAin'tGotNoJob and iBroke product lines before the next refresh). N.B. Maya software render of ocean frame took a mere 2 seconds. We hope that his announcement puts an end to wild speculation and flimsy rumors because now you have, of course, hard evidence."

You be the judge - what's true and what's false?

* Some assembly required.
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nice.
 
So guys,

what do you think we are waiting for? Enough supply from intel? or something else?

Do you think we will have 6 core as base and 12 core as an option like we do have now with 4 or 8?

What else except graphic cards do you think we might get realistically ?

Any other reason Apple is waiting?
 
Gloor said:
So guys,

what do you think we are waiting for? Enough supply from intel? or something else?

Do you think we will have 6 core as base and 12 core as an option like we do have now with 4 or 8?

What else except graphic cards do you think we might get realistically ?

Any other reason Apple is waiting?
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Unless Apple are able to get much better discounts on processors from Intel, or are going to accept a lower margin on their hardware, then 6 core base won't happen. Currently Apple use a $284 processor in their $2,499 system and two $373 processors in their $3,299 system. The cheapest 6 core processors for UP/DP systems currently are $885 and $996.

It seems more likely they will just update to the processors that have replaced what they currently use, which are 133-266 MHz faster for the 3 cheapest options (2.66x4, 2.93x4 and 2.26x8) and have two more cores for the other 3 more expensive options.

They don't really need to change the board design at this point, especially as it'll only last a year and can support the new processors and graphics cards they might use.
 
Where do you get $373?

Is not the w3580 somewhere around 1000 dollars? Granted, i only paid 600 for mine, but where are you getting $373 from? Unless you are talking about volume pricing and or wholesale pricing?


BobD2 said:
The next time Tuesday is the 25th of the month is Jan., 2011. It seems likely that there will be a new Mac Pro by then.
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Umbongo said:
Unless Apple are able to get much better discounts on processors from Intel, or are going to accept a lower margin on their hardware, then 6 core base won't happen. Currently Apple use a $284 processor in their $2,499 system and two $373 processors in their $3,299 system. The cheapest 6 core processors for UP/DP systems currently are $885 and $996.

It seems more likely they will just update to the processors that have replaced what they currently use, which are 133-266 MHz faster for the 3 cheapest options (2.66x4, 2.93x4 and 2.26x8) and have two more cores for the other 3 more expensive options.

They don't really need to change the board design at this point, especially as it'll only last a year and can support the new processors and graphics cards they might use.
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Agreed!

I think this is the 2010 mac pro - nothing more than a simple processor enhancement and no need to change really anything.. I look at this as possibly a transitional model from the older Nehalem to Sandy Bridge(Q4 2011 server only).


It seems more likely they will just update to the processors that have replaced what they currently use, which are 133-266 MHz faster for the 3 cheapest options (2.66x4, 2.93x4 and 2.26x8) and have two more cores for the other 3 more expensive options.

They don't really need to change the board design at this point, especially as it'll only last a year and can support the new processors and graphics cards they might use.[/QUOTE]
 
Roman23 said:
Is not the w3580 somewhere around 1000 dollars? Granted, i only paid 600 for mine, but where are you getting $373 from? Unless you are talking about volume pricing and or wholesale pricing?
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$373 (each) is the price for the processors in the 8 core model.
 
Oh.

So how much would the single w3580 be? I presume a lot lower though? $373 a piece for the 2.93 dual processors isn't a bad deal.. but too bad its only for apple and not noobs like us :)


Umbongo said:
Unless Apple are able to get much better discounts on processors from Intel, or are going to accept a lower margin on their hardware, then 6 core base won't happen. Currently Apple use a $284 processor in their $2,499 system and two $373 processors in their $3,299 system. The cheapest 6 core processors for UP/DP systems currently are $885 and $996.

It seems more likely they will just update to the processors that have replaced what they currently use, which are 133-266 MHz faster for the 3 cheapest options (2.66x4, 2.93x4 and 2.26x8) and have two more cores for the other 3 more expensive options.

They don't really need to change the board design at this point, especially as it'll only last a year and can support the new processors and graphics cards they might use.
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Umbongo said:
$373 (each) is the price for the processors in the 8 core model.
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Roman23 said:
So how much would the single w3580 be? I presume a lot lower though? $373 a piece for the 2.93 dual processors isn't a bad deal.. but too bad its only for apple and not noobs like us :)
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I'm talking about base models. The 8 core base is dual 2.26GHz 8 core for $3,299. The processors have a price of $373 each on Intel's price list.
 
Umbongo said:
Unless Apple are able to get much better discounts on processors from Intel, or are going to accept a lower margin on their hardware, then 6 core base won't happen. Currently Apple use a $284 processor in their $2,499 system and two $373 processors in their $3,299 system. The cheapest 6 core processors for UP/DP systems currently are $885 and $996.

It seems more likely they will just update to the processors that have replaced what they currently use, which are 133-266 MHz faster for the 3 cheapest options (2.66x4, 2.93x4 and 2.26x8) and have two more cores for the other 3 more expensive options.

They don't really need to change the board design at this point, especially as it'll only last a year and can support the new processors and graphics cards they might use.
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You can't base the new MP prices off that. If you look at the price differences between the xeon 5570s and the 5670s, the 5550s and the 5650s, and the 5520s and 5620s, there is hardly any difference between them when they first came out.

Basing the 2010 prices on that is total crap. Sure the components have gone down, but Apple hasn't lowered the prices, they are still selling the Mac Pro as if the CPUs are brand new, that is how they have always done their business.
 
My take on this..

Hi, you wrote:

Basing the 2010 prices on that is total crap. Sure the components have gone down, but Apple hasn't lowered the prices, they are still selling the Mac Pro as if the CPUs are brand new, that is how they have always done their business.[/QUOTE]

Thats why Apple is robbing people blind because they are still selling 500+ day equipment at astronomical pricing, though my refub quad-core 2.66 at 2199 was a nice deal though it could have been better..

You actually can't do that.. you can't sell a product that came out well over a year ago and expect to sell it as if it were new.. this doesn't make sense..

But like the Census makes SENSEcus... so does Apple's ways make Apple ways.
 
Roman23 said:
Hi, you wrote:

Basing the 2010 prices on that is total crap. Sure the components have gone down, but Apple hasn't lowered the prices, they are still selling the Mac Pro as if the CPUs are brand new, that is how they have always done their business.
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Thats why Apple is robbing people blind because they are still selling 500+ day equipment at astronomical pricing, though my refub quad-core 2.66 at 2199 was a nice deal though it could have been better..

You actually can't do that.. you can't sell a product that came out well over a year ago and expect to sell it as if it were new.. this doesn't make sense..

But like the Census makes SENSEcus... so does Apple's ways make Apple ways.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for agreeing with me and not saying the new Mac Pro won't come out til September like you normally do :)
 
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