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Dual Layer BDs have actually been around for a very long time, and been used to deliver many, many movies (in fact, most BD movies take up way more than the 23.5 GB you can fit on a single layer, with extras and the various audio tracks, etc.) and games (I can think of at least three high-profile games that ran well into the second layer and sold millions). And when you start considering, say, the Lord of the Rings films in their extended versions, it quickly becomes easy to run over the 47 GB you'll get out of a DL BD.

Since then, they've managed to boost single layers to 33.4 GB and they've figured out how to cram something like 4-8 extra layers on a disc, readable by existing hardware with just firmware updates.

Somehow, I'm willing to bet that there won't be a competing optical media format for some time, and when it arrives it'll have an uphill battle against Blu-ray, which is already entrenched.

Aside from shipping hard drives or SD cards with the media on them, there's no replacement for high resolution video (Don't forget, 3D will require more space and there will be more resolution boosts upcoming) for consumer delivery.

The bandwidth just isn't there yet, especially in America. I envy Hong Kong's 100 Mbps symmetrical connections for $15/mo, because I'm paying $60/mo for 15/5 on FiOS. I feel ripped off.
I knew the larger capacity disks have been around, I couldn't recall the date they appeared. I also recall mention of 100GB, and possibly 200GB will be produced at some future date.

But when I was thinking on a movie on 25GB disks, it would be "bare bones"; basic movie, no additional content to make sure it fit and would play on any BD Player (firmware updates may not be consistent enough from manufacturer to manufacturer, causing a larger capacity disk to not work properly on some equipment = unwatchable).

Then when I see other disks for the additional content, it seemed to fit with that logic. (I don't have a BR reader/burner in a computer, just a BD Player for the HD set, so I haven't been able to check the disks I own for size or filled capacity).

I agree, it will be BD for sometime yet, as with the discontinuation of HD-DVD, no one else would try.

Bandwidth is the real issue, as that's what will eventually replace physical media for 1080P and future specifications (3D, higher resolutions,...). But as the US is slow to upgrade and adopt newer tech (companies want to make every cent possible by dragging it out and attempting to get government projects to foot at least part of the bill), that's going to be awhile.
 
Apple has nothing to gain with BR. Blue ray is already dead. Video is going the same way music has gone: everything will be on harddrives. BR is perhaps the best way to distribute HD content for now, however this window is quickly closing with multimedia harddrives getting better faster and computer to TV solutions getting better even faster (pay close attention to the new AppleTV that might be announced June 7).

The main problem with BR: it is a licensing nightmare.

Oh great, the whole "blu-ray is dead" bit has invaded this thread. Here we go again, as usual. God, I love how you people are so wrong and continue to ignore, ignore, and ignore factual, statistical data time and time again.

You love to spread so much doom and gloom to the format, yet fail every time to back your claims up with any data.

It's appalling really, I don't even know where to start.
 
Oh great, the whole "blu-ray is dead" bit has invaded this thread. Here we go again, as usual. God, I love how you people are so wrong and continue to ignore, ignore, and ignore factual, statistical data time and time again.

You love to spread so much doom and gloom to the format, yet fail every time to back your claims up with any data.

It's appalling really, I don't even know where to start.

Thank you! I totally agree. Blu-Ray (it's not spelled Blue Ray :rolleyes:) is far from dead. Blu-Ray players are starting to show up in the $100 price range, which continues to open up the format to more and more consumers.

Don't even talk about downloading 1080p content. On your average household, high speed connection, a full HD would take at least hours, if not days to download. Why would I wait days, when I can pick up a Blu-Ray at Best Buy and be watching it at home within an hour? As for streaming, again, most high speed connections would still result in low quality or "choppy" video.

As for the SD card/flash memory options mentioned... What? Since when are memory cards as cheap as a Blu-Ray disc?

Sorry, Blu-Ray is far from dead.
 
Thank you! I totally agree. Blu-Ray (it's not spelled Blue Ray :rolleyes:) is far from dead. Blu-Ray players are starting to show up in the $100 price range, which continues to open up the format to more and more consumers.

Don't even talk about downloading 1080p content. On your average household, high speed connection, a full HD would take at least hours, if not days to download. Why would I wait days, when I can pick up a Blu-Ray at Best Buy and be watching it at home within an hour? As for streaming, again, most high speed connections would still result in low quality or "choppy" video.

As for the SD card/flash memory options mentioned... What? Since when are memory cards as cheap as a Blu-Ray disc?

Sorry, Blu-Ray is far from dead.

I d/l 1080p bluray movies (even a week before it hits retails) and it takes me 2 and half hours to get the 9-12GB bluray movie that looks exactly the same in quality as a real bluray. Thank God for newsgroup leeching and I only have comcast residential cable. :)

By the end of the day, I can watch 8-9 new bluray movies. Especially movies you CANT find at best buy or even netflex such as international, hong kong, film festival goodies.

I just saw the announcement for the "Lost" 6 seasons on bluray. It'll take me 3-4 hours to get it all and saves me $280.
 
When people...when?

Does anyone read Chinese or Cantonese? What could we be searching for?

I think the Chinese character for new is 新. Am I right?

so "新 mac pro" could be a good search.

In Vietnamese 'mới' according to Google translate.

What else? Ideas? Come on people!:eek:
 
I d/l 1080p bluray movies (even a week before it hits retails) and it takes me 2 and half hours to get the 9-12GB bluray movie that looks exactly the same in quality as a real bluray. Thank God for newsgroup leeching and I only have comcast residential cable. :)

By the end of the day, I can watch 8-9 new bluray movies. Especially movies you CANT find at best buy or even netflex such as international, hong kong, film festival goodies.

I just saw the announcement for the "Lost" 6 seasons on bluray. It'll take me 3-4 hours to get it all and saves me $280.

So in the end, you find stealing to be perfectly fine?

Interesting but bloody stupid. There is no such thing as a free meal. Somewhere along the chain someone will suffer because of your lack of character.

I agree, however, that digital content is the way ahead for the industry when a better infrastructure for retrieving said content is there. The ability to stream any content you wish to see at any point in time would be the "holy grail".
 
So in the end, you find stealing to be perfectly fine?

Interesting but bloody stupid. There is no such thing as a free meal. Somewhere along the chain someone will suffer because of your lack of character.

I agree, however, that digital content is the way ahead for the industry when a better infrastructure for retrieving said content is there. The ability to stream any content you wish to see at any point in time would be the "holy grail".

I find downloading content just fine because if you really like that movie and become a fan, you can buy the bluray for it. Also the movie industry will not go down at all, if anything helps them more with sales. This is the same perspective most software developers have as well (surprisingly).

I still have to pay for newsgroup services so its not totally free. I pay $24.95 a month from giganews for their unlimited service, which imo well worth it.

If you want to get into the "stealing" argument, Most people have done it or is DOING it.
 
I d/l 1080p bluray movies (even a week before it hits retails) and it takes me 2 and half hours to get the 9-12GB bluray movie that looks exactly the same in quality as a real bluray. Thank God for newsgroup leeching and I only have comcast residential cable. :)

By the end of the day, I can watch 8-9 new bluray movies. Especially movies you CANT find at best buy or even netflex such as international, hong kong, film festival goodies.

I just saw the announcement for the "Lost" 6 seasons on bluray. It'll take me 3-4 hours to get it all and saves me $280.

You're assuming everyone has all the free time you do and is as cheap as you are. I personally don't have the time and don't want to work so hard to get my movies. I just picked up two blu's for 8 bucks a piece while you're wasting time trolling around the internet and downloading your compressed movies. I also don't believe your 9GB looks as good as my 50GB*. Maybe to your eyes, but I can't live with compression artifacts. Not to mention you have none of the extras from the disc, etc, etc. Oh wait, you can find those on Pirate Bay too, I'm guessing.

Have fun. :rolleyes:

*well, depending on your taste in movies, maybe it doesn't make a difference. I'm not buying Miley Cyrus movies.
 
You're assuming everyone has all the free time you do and is as cheap as you are. I personally don't have the time and don't want to work so hard to get my movies. I just picked up two blu's for 8 bucks a piece while you're wasting time trolling around the internet and downloading your compressed movies. I also don't believe your 9GB looks as good as my 50GB*. Maybe to your eyes, but I can't live with compression artifacts. Not to mention you have none of the extras from the disc, etc, etc. Oh wait, you can find those on Pirate Bay too, I'm guessing.

Have fun. :rolleyes:

*well, depending on your taste in movies, maybe it doesn't make a difference. I'm not buying Miley Cyrus movies.

Well all it takes is just downloading one nzb file and just launching it in the background to leech automatically all the rar and par files. You dont have to do anything else just one click download. By the end of the day just look at the download folder and just unrar and watch the movies.

Miley what?? I dont even know what miley cyrus is?

Most of the movies I watch are from the UK, film festivals, hong kong films that have won international awards and much better movies than you'd find here at the movie theaters. I do download some of the movies from the states that are good for example book of eli was a good movie (got it on bluray 4 weeks ago from newsgroups) oh and the wolfman was good with anthony hopkins (d/led this 2 weeks ago on bluray as well).

I've compared the exact same movies from a 9gb mkv file with aac or ac3 with full dts to a straight up bluray disc that I played through the ps3 (transformers and avatar) and I cannot tell the difference. Most of the blurays are filled in with sound files (these are for the high performing receivers that audiophile or moviephiles wants every bit of surround sound as they can squeeze from) I dont care too much about sound in that sense. I do have a pair of b&w 805S and I cant tell the difference from the yamaha receiver from the bluray disc or mkv files either.

Unless you have a 20k+ sound system that can distinguish the sound from a bluray disc as to an mkv file and squeeze out every ounce of sound thats not very important really imo.

update: I just googled miley cyrus.. Its a girl?? But who is she? Sorry guys I dont watch tv I only read books and watch movies on the weekends.
 
I just googled miley cyrus.. Its a girl?? But who is she? Sorry guys I dont watch tv I only read books and watch movies on the weekends.

She's a PG-rated soft-porn actress in the US. Download 'Best of Both Worlds Concert: The 3-D Movie: Extended Edition' and check her out.
 
She's a PG-rated soft-porn actress in the US. Download 'Best of Both Worlds Concert: The 3-D Movie: Extended Edition' and check her out.

She's not that pretty. :(

Anyway regarding this thread, I'm yearning for the new mac pros. I miss the hdd sleds and I'm tired of daisy chaining firewire external hdd from terabytes to terabytes. I'd like to get the new mac pro and get 2tb hdds into the bays.
 
Thank you! I totally agree. Blu-Ray (it's not spelled Blue Ray :rolleyes:) is far from dead. Blu-Ray players are starting to show up in the $100 price range, which continues to open up the format to more and more consumers.

Don't even talk about downloading 1080p content. On your average household, high speed connection, a full HD would take at least hours, if not days to download. Why would I wait days, when I can pick up a Blu-Ray at Best Buy and be watching it at home within an hour? As for streaming, again, most high speed connections would still result in low quality or "choppy" video.

As for the SD card/flash memory options mentioned... What? Since when are memory cards as cheap as a Blu-Ray disc?

Sorry, Blu-Ray is far from dead.

Yea, and unfortunately, no matter how many times these naysayers are proven wrong, even with actual data, they continue to remain blind to the truth.

I d/l 1080p bluray movies (even a week before it hits retails) and it takes me 2 and half hours to get the 9-12GB bluray movie that looks exactly the same in quality as a real bluray. Thank God for newsgroup leeching and I only have comcast residential cable. :)

By the end of the day, I can watch 8-9 new bluray movies. Especially movies you CANT find at best buy or even netflex such as international, hong kong, film festival goodies.

I just saw the announcement for the "Lost" 6 seasons on bluray. It'll take me 3-4 hours to get it all and saves me $280.

Yea yea, but does your 9-12 GB blu-ray movie include other such HD content such as high def, lossless audio? What about bonus features? Those in high def too I mean. And how much did you pay for this so called "blu-ray" quality movie? Please don't say it was free.

How fast you can download HD movies is of little bearing to this argument as it does not represent the mass HD consumer audience. I checked, and as of this writing, I only see 297 HD movies available in iTunes.

Simply clicking "All blu-ray" in Amazon's blu-ray section yields 7,406 results. Even if many of these are in the pipeline still, that is far beyond iTunes has to offer.

Until you show us where you can legally download 1080p content + HD lossless audio + bonus features, there is simply no comparison at this point.
 
Yea, and unfortunately, no matter how many times these naysayers are proven wrong, even with actual data, they continue to remain blind to the truth.



Yea yea, but does your 9-12 GB blu-ray movie include other such HD content such as high def, lossless audio? What about bonus features? Those in high def too I mean. And how much did you pay for this so called "blu-ray" quality movie? Please don't say it was free.

How fast you can download HD movies is of little bearing to this argument as it does not represent the mass HD consumer audience. I checked, and as of this writing, I only see 297 HD movies available in iTunes.

Simply clicking "All blu-ray" in Amazon's blu-ray section yields 7,406 results. Even if many of these are in the pipeline still, that is far beyond iTunes has to offer.

Until you show us where you can legally download 1080p content + HD lossless audio + bonus features, there is simply no comparison at this point.

Lossless audio or not it sounds the same to me on a 2 speaker configuration. IMO the lossless audio + all the little bits of sound that adds up on the bluray discs are unnecessary.


I'm talking about nzb files downloading from newsgroup servers which is currently showing 9447 bluray movies with each hour updated with new movies (some movies are being uploaded by different groups/people so there are repeats and mixed in with some 720p content as well). I've compared bluray discs to the mkv files no difference at all to me and I'm VERY picky about these things.

If I had a killer surround sound system ($20,000+ systems) where I'd want every droplets of water sounds to be heard from a cave or whatever, then I'd probably want to use bluray discs or download bluray rips that are 25gb+ files).

I never used itunes for movies before nor netflix.
 
I disagree [in good humor].
LIKE IT ALREADY HAS KILLED MUSIC CDS.

What planet do you live on? When I walk into a Best Buy about half the store is dedicated to CDs and DVD/BRs. When given the option I always prefer my content on a disc. That way I can do what I what with it and convert it into whatever format I need. Physical media is always a higher quality than anything you can download from iTunes. Physical media will be around for quite some time. It's silly to think otherwise. Not everyone has a computer or internet.
 
There will always be need for removable media. Optical is cheap and that's why you have discs.

I live in a rural area. The household I'm in has three internet choices. Dial-up, satellite, or 56/256. Option 1 is horribly slow. Option two is limited to 17 GB/month or 600 MB/day depending on the provider. Option 3, you get the idea.

Downloading information is about downright impossible. If I didn't spend most of my time on a university campus I would have shot myself by now.

Poor connectivity thanks to uncompetitive telecom firms is a good reason why there's a need for optical media. Another reason - DRM. Another reason - consider net booting a server across the internet. Good times for D*mn Small Linux users, but the rest of us? Not so much.

[/rant]
 
Lossless audio or not it sounds the same to me on a 2 speaker configuration. IMO the lossless audio + all the little bits of sound that adds up on the bluray discs are unnecessary.

Sorry, but I can certainly here a difference and I will take lossless over lossy any day, thank you very much. By the way, stereo is so 1980s!

Why would anyone want to "downgrade" what is currently being established as the standard audio codec for HD film is beyond me? I can purchase The Dark Knight right now on Amazon for $9.49 and get DolbyTrue HD. Why would I want to go backwards to last generation technology when I get new technology for just as cheap? :confused:


I'm talking about nzb files downloading from newsgroup servers which is currently showing 9447 bluray movies with each hour updated with new movies (some movies are being uploaded by different groups/people so there are repeats and mixed in with some 720p content as well). I've compared bluray discs to the mkv files no difference at all to me and I'm VERY picky about these things.

Your argument is self defeating. Your accessing a server of HD movies ripped off from the very format in which your arguing against. Whew, good thing there is such a huge catalogue of BD titles to rip off, no?

If I had a killer surround sound system ($20,000+ systems) where I'd want every droplets of water sounds to be heard from a cave or whatever, then I'd probably want to use bluray discs or download bluray rips that are 25gb+ files).

Upgrades, upgrades upgrades. Welcome to fast moving pace of technology.

I never used itunes for movies before nor netflix.

Well if you you expect digital downloads to soar, then these two companies will have to start taking things seriously. But at 297 HD movies encoded in 720p and in lossly format, the iTunes store is a joke.

What planet do you live on? When I walk into a Best Buy about half the store is dedicated to CDs and DVD/BRs. When given the option I always prefer my content on a disc. That way I can do what I what with it and convert it into whatever format I need. Physical media is always a higher quality than anything you can download from iTunes. Physical media will be around for quite some time. It's silly to think otherwise. Not everyone has a computer or internet.

Obviously he has not ventured into a Best Buy, Walmart, or a Target as of late and have touched back down to reality.
 
Sorry, but I can certainly here a difference and I will take lossless over lossy any day, thank you very much. By the way, stereo is so 1980s!




Your argument is self defeating. Your accessing a server of HD movies ripped off from the very format in which your arguing against. Whew, good thing there is such a huge catalogue of BD titles to rip off, no?



Well if you you expect digital downloads to soar, then these two companies will have to start taking things seriously. But at 297 HD movies encoded in 720p and in lossly format, the iTunes store is a joke.



Obviously he has not ventured into a Best Buy, Walmart, or a Target as of late and have touched back down to reality.

Lossless audio such as flac is very nice when your an audiophile and it is a bit clearer and cleaner than say mp3 but in an mkv h264 1080p movie with ac3 and full dts I cannot tell the difference, unless you have the right (expensive) equipment, there really isnt much of a big difference.

I think your just making arguments for the sake of arguing. I know people listen to flac (audiophiles) and I can understand that but for movies, I cannot tell much of a big difference.

Anyway, like I said, I dont use iTunes. I can never find anything I'm looking for on iTunes. Newsgroups is where its at. I dont have to go to amazon and pay $10 or $30-$40 for new bluray movies a pop either and have to wait 3-5 days to receive the bluray to watch it. I get the same quality sound and pq on my big screen 2 hours later the same day. IMO NOTHING beats that. I dont know if your familiar with the newsgroup scene or not but you sure are missing out! 9447 bluray movies at just one click of a button download and watch it 2-3 hours later the same day.

Like I said unless you have a $20,000+ receiver, speaker, surround system, your not going to notice much of a difference.

All MKV bluray movies I d/l pretty much has full dts either with aac or ac3 and (at least on my system) I've compared against a real bluray from the ps3 and it doesnt make much of a difference, if any at all.

And imho, I've always thought that the bluray disc is just too big to fill and its real selling point was hyping up the high quality sounds so that it can become the new standard. Well I suppose the hype is working. Because first hand comparisons for myself these past few years, I cannot tell the difference. Maybe because my sound system is only worth $10,000??

Also its not only the quality of the sound thats SUPPOSED to be better. Bluray is supposed to have more sound samples (usually for full surround systems, and yes it is noticable in high quality systems to notice the difference). As I said earlier in one of my posts, I just use the front speakers (done away with the surround as I thought it was unnecessary) but some folks out there loves the full surround. If you do have a nice full surround system then you can hear more sounds around you with a bluray disc as to a bluray mkv file. But even as a movie lover, surround is overrated imo.

Trust me, if I blindly showed a movie off of my system and had you guess if it was from the 12GB bluray mkv movie I d/led or straight from the bluray disc on a ps3, you could NOT tell the difference. And it has that movie theatre OOMPH to it. :)
 
I think the argument against downloads of HD movies is that they wouldn't exist if it weren't for the introduction of Blu Ray and the defunct HD-DVD. They wouldn't even be available in iTunes if the studios didn't already have HD masters made for Blu Ray. Sure we had some HD titles for DVHS but there were maybe 30 ever made. Blu Ray and HD-DVD were the driving force for HD content. It's also the source of your pirated films.
 
I think the argument against downloads of HD movies is that they wouldn't exist if it weren't for the introduction of Blu Ray and the defunct HD-DVD. They wouldn't even be available in iTunes if the studios didn't already have HD masters made for Blu Ray. Sure we had some HD titles for DVHS but there were maybe 30 ever made. Blu Ray and HD-DVD were the driving force for HD content. It's also the source of your pirated films.

All I'm looking for now is a new projector... Nothing beats a projector experience! Its the REAL next gen imho.
 
How about we discuss an aspect of the next MP that hasn't been beaten to death? There are already enough BD arguments on MR, no need to add to an unresolvable argument. Only time will tell.

*takes conversational steering wheel*

Who thinks Apple will have the balls to finally buy 2 GB RAM modules? The current defaults are beyond embarrassing for a $2,500 "workstation."

On another note, I hope they get over their obsession with anemic baseline GPUs, it is really getting old. Wanting the machine to look pretty is one thing, but refusing to put a decent card in as standard because it requires external molex power is downright foolish. :rolleyes:
 
How about we discuss an aspect of the next MP that hasn't been beaten to death?

I looked around, and found no aspect that had a heartbeat.

But then, one day the messiahs... the MacPro will come, and all the aspects will rise from the grave for another round of "What will the next Mac Pro be?"
 
I looked around, and found no aspect that had a heartbeat.

But then, one day the messiahs... the MacPro will come, and all the aspects will rise from the grave for another round of "What will the next Mac Pro be?"

If a revised Mac pro doesn't appear I declare wwdc as the apple pass over.
 
How about we discuss an aspect of the next MP that hasn't been beaten to death? There are already enough BD arguments on MR, no need to add to an unresolvable argument. Only time will tell.

*takes conversational steering wheel*

Who thinks Apple will have the balls to finally buy 2 GB RAM modules? The current defaults are beyond embarrassing for a $2,500 "workstation."

On another note, I hope they get over their obsession with anemic baseline GPUs, it is really getting old. Wanting the machine to look pretty is one thing, but refusing to put a decent card in as standard because it requires external molex power is downright foolish. :rolleyes:

There has to be such a card, for those who need 4x cards for HUEG monitor arrays. Not to mention the folks who just need to drive monitors for Logic/ProTools/Xcode/someotherprofessionalappthatisn'tGPUdependent would appreciate a card that is quiet, cheap, and doesn't needlessly suck electricity. The baseline MP is meant as a starting point, you BTO the extras or add them in yourself.
 
I find downloading content just fine because if you really like that movie and become a fan, you can buy the bluray for it. Also the movie industry will not go down at all, if anything helps them more with sales. This is the same perspective most software developers have as well (surprisingly).

I still have to pay for newsgroup services so its not totally free. I pay $24.95 a month from giganews for their unlimited service, which imo well worth it.

If you want to get into the "stealing" argument, Most people have done it or is DOING it.

Just as a warning the noose is tightning my friend:

http://gizmodo.com/5537281/hurt-locker-producers-take-up-arms-against-pirates
http://gizmodo.com/5550480/hurt-locker-producers-file-5000-lawsuits-against-downloaders

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