But Intel has replaced the faulty chips with a good ones,
even before the new MBPs were released.
This issue was solved.
Ports 0 and 1 - SATA III.
Yes, SATA III ports were unaffected by this (fixed) issue.
ODD is connected to SATA II port.
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2011 17" MBP supports 6Gbps SATA
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But Intel has replaced the faulty chips with a good ones,
even before the new MBPs were released.
This issue was solved.
Ports 0 and 1 - SATA III.
Yes, SATA III ports were unaffected by this (fixed) issue.
ODD is connected to SATA II port.
I got curious after checking System Profiler on my new 17" MBP (2.2Ghz, basically the model you could walk into a brick and mortar Apple store and purchase today). It claimed the following:
Code:Intel 6 Series Chipset: Vendor: Intel Product: 6 Series Chipset Link Speed: 3 Gigabit Negotiated Link Speed: 3 Gigabit
Came home, pulled the 256Gbps C300 SSD out of my gaming rig, threw it in the second slot of the MBP (where the useless optical drive goes stock), it still reported 3Gbps SATA. Sort of expected, it's just for the optical drive.
Switched things around and put the C300 in the Primary slot... It gets reported as 6Gbps. Unfortunately, it's currently formatted to NTFS. I'm going to back my data up now and reformat it to test. I've got an OWC 240GB SSD arriving tomorrow morning, so that should make for some fun benchmark comparisons.
Code:Intel 6 Series Chipset: Vendor: Intel Product: 6 Series Chipset Link Speed: 6 Gigabit Negotiated Link Speed: 6 Gigabit Description: AHCI Version 1.30 Supported C300-CTFDDAC256MAG: Capacity: 256.06 GB (256,060,514,304 bytes) Model: C300-CTFDDAC256MAG Revision: 0001 Serial Number: 0000000013370MGWTF Native Command Queuing: Yes Queue Depth: 32 Removable Media: No Detachable Drive: No BSD Name: disk0 Medium Type: Solid State TRIM Support: No Partition Map Type: MBR (Master Boot Record) S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
Whichever wins, stays in the new MBPI did a bunch of searching for this today, but since no one seemed to have tried or posted, I had to try for myself
Darwin, I have the same C300 as you so I'm interested in this! You are running really old firmware (0001). You should really update the drive before benchmarking. 0006 became available before Xmas
Intel did fix the issue, but they ALSO took back and resold at full price all the flawed chipsets.
While no one who knows will comment, it seems most likely that Apple avoided a MBP launch delay by using the chipsets they already had -- the flawed ones that Intel sent them to ramp up production and inventory prior to the release date.
Do you have a source that says that the ODD is connected to a SATA II port?
I was able to get the OWC SSD installed (and 8GB RAM). It did lock up once on the initial boot, but after a reboot it has been OK. Going to test it more over the next day or so, but it seems that these computers aren't quite ready for 6Gbps SATA, even if they're reporting it.
Anyway, here you go:
Anyway, here you go:
Code:
Results 395.20
System Info
Xbench Version 1.3
System Version 10.6.6 (10J3210)
Physical RAM 8192 MB
Model MacBookPro8,3
Drive Type OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SSD
CPU Test 251.26
GCD Loop 333.47 17.58 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 225.05 5.35 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 159.40 5.26 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 453.74 79.01 Mops/sec
Thread Test 720.21
Computation 683.18 13.84 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 761.47 32.76 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 585.89
System 596.53
Allocate 861.45 3.16 Malloc/sec
Fill 423.49 20591.09 MB/sec
Copy 663.62 13706.88 MB/sec
Stream 575.63
Copy 563.54 11639.73 MB/sec
Scale 550.61 11375.35 MB/sec
Add 605.25 12893.15 MB/sec
Triad 586.14 12539.03 MB/sec
Quartz Graphics Test 348.23
Line 300.36 20.00 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 394.00 117.63 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 331.27 27.00 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 339.86 8.57 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 395.29 24.73 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 383.31
Spinning Squares 383.31 486.26 frames/sec
User Interface Test 532.33
Elements 532.33 2.44 Krefresh/sec
Disk Test 305.01
Sequential 180.17
Uncached Write 317.63 195.02 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 253.56 143.46 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 81.21 23.77 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 357.79 179.82 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 993.13
Uncached Write 1472.05 155.83 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 517.00 165.51 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 2767.47 19.61 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 949.88 176.26 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Based on what? There were rumors that MBPs were delayed by two weeks because of the chipset issue but those were just rumors. There are no proofs that MBPs would have been released two weeks ago if there had not been the chipset issue.
Darwin, I have the same C300 as you so I'm interested in this! You are running really old firmware (0001). You should really update the drive before benchmarking. 0006 became available before Xmas
I downloaded the firmware updates this morning. The issue was, the drive was in use, the firmware updates wipe the drive, and I didn't feel like re-osing the gaming box it was in. Now that I wiped it anyway, I guess it's time for the updates!
Hopefully the firmware updates will fix the very poor reliability of the C300 in the 2011 MBP.
I ran XBench just now on my 2.2 17" with a 128/100 GB OWC SSD and I got very similar numbers.
Why would you expect more, though, since I don't even think this drive saturates SATA II? SATA II is 384 MB/s and the max these drives will do is about 200.
Oh, I'm happy with the numbers out of the OWC on SATA II.
What I want to work better is the 6Gbps C300 on the 6Gbps SATA III controller. All of the parts are there, they just aren't playing well together.
Please report back when you've tested it. I have a fully loaded CTO 17" on order and will be taking the C300 out of my Arrandale. But only if it's going to work
So your experience will help me lots.
I read a quote today from an Apple executive who said that the new, fixed Cougar Point chipsets are used in the new MBPs. Now I'll have to dig it up; I'll post when I find it...
Here ya go, read the third paragraph. The SATA port recall is a non-issue in the new MacBook Pros.
Here ya go, read the third paragraph. The SATA port recall is a non-issue in the new MacBook Pros.
SATA III Support ?
Hi
I read your information, I am from Germany and I call the Apple Tech Support and they say that the new macbooks pro´s dose NOT support SATA III ( 6GB/s ) but i want to order the book if the book support 6GB/s .
my Englisch is not verry well ( iam German )
my Question :
support the new 17" macbook pro SATA III in the HDD BAy and in the optical bay ?
Greetings from Germany
Please report back when you've tested it. I have a fully loaded CTO 17" on order and will be taking the C300 out of my Arrandale. But only if it's going to work
Hi
I read your information, I am from Germany and I call the Apple Tech Support and they say that the new macbooks pro´s dose NOT support SATA III ( 6GB/s ) but i want to order the book if the book support 6GB/s .
my Englisch is not verry well ( iam German )
my Question :
support the new 17" macbook pro SATA III in the HDD BAy and in the optical bay ?
Greetings from Germany
Thanks -- now that's a source!
This is a mixed blessing, though: while it's nice to have the new, flawless stepping, there's now no guarantee that the ODD isn't hooked up to a SATA2 port.
We shall have to see....
Wilkommen! (Almost the only German I know!)
We don't know yet whether both bays support SATA III.
The HDD bay is listed as 6GB/s link speed, so it could support SATA III. However, I have not yet heard of anyone installing and testing a SATA III drive.
The optical drive bay also isn't clear yet. I have not yet heard of anyone reporting the link speed. It could just be SATA II.
Keep watching for news, and if you hear anything in Deutschland, let us know!
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Update: Every time I try installing directly from the Optical drive to the C300 in Slot0, it errors out around the 'installing bsd.pkg' portion. Something tells me that's a slightly important package
So I threw the C300 in the secondary slot in my MBP 2009, the OWC in the primary slot in the MBP 2011, booted into Target mode (FYI: Target mode shows both the Firewire icon.... AND Thunderbolt icon when you first boot to it. Once it realized that firewire was connected, it dropped the Thunderbolt icon. I find this extra functionality interesting but expected)
I'm using Disk Utility on the MBP 2009 to restore the OWC's fresh install on the C300. It just finished without error, time to reboot, remove, replace, and test again!
So I threw the C300 in the secondary slot in my MBP 2009, the OWC in the primary slot in the MBP 2011, booted into Target mode (FYI: Target mode shows both the Firewire icon.... AND Thunderbolt icon when you first boot to it. Once it realized that firewire was connected, it dropped the Thunderbolt icon. I find this extra functionality interesting but expected)
I'm using Disk Utility on the MBP 2009 to restore the OWC's fresh install on the C300. It just finished without error, time to reboot, remove, replace, and test again!
If I recall correctly only the 2-core CPUs are affected? Maybe I am totally wrong.
V2 should use some of it -- I'm planning to bide my time and wait for V3.
Anand says it's outrageously fast and should cost about the same (~US$250).
Will THAT saturate SATA III? No -- but it will get close.
Dual core Sandys were scheduled to be released on 20th of Feb way before the chipset issue showed up. Here is an article from early January stating the 20th as release date.
Apple using the latest updated versions, which corrected the flaw.
The new MacBook Pros feature Intels latest dual-core and quad-core Intel Core processors from the Core i5 and Core i7 lines, which Apple says will make the entire line of portables up to twice as fast at their predecessors when performing CPU-intensive activities. The low-end 13-inch model has a 2.3GHz Core i5 processor and its big brother uses a 2.7GHz Core i7 thats the fastest dual-core processor Intel makes. Meanwhile, the 15-inch and 17-inch models are sporting an all quad-core line up, with Core i7 processors that run at up to 2.3 GHz.
Intel refers to the processors used in the new MacBook Pros as its second-generation of Core i processors; during development, they were codenamed Sandy Bridge. Earlier this year, Intel discovered problems in the chipset of Sandy Bridge processors that were shipping, but Apple vice president of worldwide Mac hardware marketing David Moody told Macworld that the company was using the latest updated versions, which corrected the flaw.
The new MacBook Pros feature Intels latest dual-core and quad-core Intel Core processors from the Core i5 and Core i7 lines, which Apple says will make the entire line of portables up to twice as fast at their predecessors when performing CPU-intensive activities. The low-end 13-inch model has a 2.3GHz Core i5 processor and its big brother uses a 2.7GHz Core i7 thats the fastest dual-core processor Intel makes. Meanwhile, the 15-inch and 17-inch models are sporting an all quad-core line up, with Core i7 processors that run at up to 2.3 GHz.
Intel refers to the processors used in the new MacBook Pros as its second-generation of Core i processors; during development, they were codenamed Sandy Bridge. Earlier this year, Intel discovered problems in the chipset of Sandy Bridge processors that were shipping, but Apple vice president of worldwide Mac hardware marketing David Moody told Macworld that the company was using the latest updated versions, which corrected the flaw.
That's a good idea. I remember reading about this. Should only be a few months, as I remember.
True, as linked to above -- but is the ODD hooked to a SATA II or III port? That is the question....
You are correct. That is the question.
I just wanted to put to rest the crap about having flawed chipsets in the new macbook pros. There are no flawed chipsets in the new macbook pros.
Now we can stay on subject.
Crucial C300 im MacBooks do not work properly
Forget about the Crucial C300 SSD in a MacBook. If you check out the Crucial forum you find lots of entries about C300 problems. See: http://www.forum.crucial.com/t5/for...cation=Node:ssd&q=macbook+pro+i7#message-list
The 6Gbps mode also has problems in PCs under Windows. The Firmware 006 upgrade introduced the stuttering problem, which can be experienced with all operating systems. OWC is a much better choice.
Forget about the Crucial C300 SSD in a MacBook. If you check out the Crucial forum you find lots of entries about C300 problems. See: http://www.forum.crucial.com/t5/for...cation=Node:ssd&q=macbook+pro+i7#message-list
The 6Gbps mode also has problems in PCs under Windows. The Firmware 006 upgrade introduced the stuttering problem, which can be experienced with all operating systems. OWC is a much better choice.