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2011-2012 College Football Thread

rhett7660 said:
Injuries, lifelessness etc.. no excuses. They knew what was on the line.
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I'm not making excuses for LSU. They didn't show up; Alabama did. The Tide's dominance was evident everywhere on the field.

I don't have a dog in this fight and I didn't really care who won last night.

rhett7660 said:
Please elaborate on this?
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I just meant that it's pretty obvious that LSU played a more difficult schedule and had more "quality wins". If last night had been close, the Tigers would have had a very legitimate claim to a split national title. Getting hammered the way they did, however, nullified that claim.

Quality Wins (with final Coaches' Poll ranking)

LSU
  1. #4 Oregon (neutral field)
  2. #18 West Virginia (road)
  3. #1 Alabama (road)
  4. #5 Arkansas (home)
  5. #20 Georgia (neutral)

Alabama
  1. #5 Arkansas (home)
  2. #2 LSU (neutral)

Would last night's game have been different without the long layoff, and if both teams had to play good teams (Stanford, OSU, Boise, etc) a week or two before? Maybe not, but maybe.

The fact that Alabama got into the game at all—without having to play anyone of note between losing to LSU at home and getting selected—is proof of the system's suckitude and the perfect illustration of why a playoff is so desperately needed for the sake of the sport's continued relevance.


MacDawg said:
The BCS is a 2 team playoff...
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A playoff is defined as a series of games. The BCS "Championship" is just one game.

True playoff participants enter a playoff based on what happens on the field (W-L record). BCS participants are based on what happens in the minds of (mostly regional) sportswriters and retired coaches (Harris Poll), Sports Info Directors ("Coaches" Poll) and computers (whose "voting" algorithms are secret and not even peer reviewed for errors).

So not, the BCS is not a playoff. Not even close.
 
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IgnatiusTheKing said:
I'm not making excuses for LSU. They didn't show up; Alabama did. The Tide's dominance was evident everywhere on the field.

I don't have a dog in this fight and I didn't really care who won last night.

I just meant that it's pretty obvious that LSU played a more difficult schedule and had more "quality wins". If last night had been close, the Tigers would have had a very legitimate claim to a split national title. Getting hammered the way they did, however, nullified that claim.

Quality Wins (with final Coaches' Poll ranking)

LSU
  1. #4 Oregon (neutral field)
  2. #18 West Virginia (road)
  3. #1 Alabama (road)
  4. #5 Arkansas (home)
  5. #20 Georgia (neutral)

Alabama
  1. #5 Arkansas (home)
  2. #2 LSU (neutral)

Would last night's game have been different without the long layoff, and if both teams had to play good teams (Stanford, OSU, Boise, etc) a week or two before? Maybe not, but maybe.

The fact that Alabama got into the game at all—without having to play anyone of note between losing to LSU at home and getting selected—is proof of the system's suckitude and the perfect illustration of why a playoff is so desperately needed for the sake of the sport's continued relevance.
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Gotcha re: wins. Just wasn't clear on what you meant by it, had an idea but wanted to make sure.

No worries.....

Roll Tide though... :D
 
Simply fantastic column by Oklahoma sportswriter Barry Tramel. A few highlights...

The regular season is losing steam and fast.

First, all the exhibitions that plague the sport, mostly in September. Oklahoma-Ball State. Texas-Rice. LSU-Western Kentucky. OSU-Lafayette.

Alabama played three fresh-meat games: Kent State, North Texas and Georgia Southern. It's an epidemic and it's an abomination.
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LSU-Alabama in November was the game of the year. Except it didn't matter. Didn't matter that LSU won. Didn't matter that it kept Bama from an SEC title.

Oregon-Stanford was the Pac-12 game of the year. Oregon won at Stanford and went on to the Rose Bowl. Yet because the Ducks lost to Southern Cal, and because the Ducks had the guts to play LSU in a season opener, the pollsters had Stanford ranked ahead of Oregon going into the bowls.

Put a four-team tournament together for the 2011 season: Stanford in, Oregon out. That's absurdity.
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Making conference supremacy mandatory eliminates October coronations. Alabama 2011, Oklahoma 2003, Nebraska 2001. All made the national title game without winning their conference.

All were great teams. No one debates otherwise. But they were anointed in early season and had to play their way out, not play their way in.
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iLog.Genius said:
I disagree. For argument sake, I'll say Alabama probably shouldn't be #2 (even though I believe they are the best/second best team). If any school should be complaining, it should be Boise St., not OSU. After Alabama's loss to LSU, OSU was pretty much ranked #2 and all they had to do was win out. They blew that chance to an unranked team no less so OSU shouldn't be there any more than Alabama. The only other team with one loss is Boise and they lost to ranked TCU so if anything they should've had the opportunity for the BCS.
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Boise won so many because they played a weak schedule. Now that they are moving up we will see how their record each year is, albeit it may not change given the teams in the B1G. That said, Boise would have had a different year had they been in the Big "XII" or SEC.

OSU should have been given that chance (or Stanford) but the SEC lovefest created what was a dismal failure for TV ratings. Had OSU made the trip, the Crystal Ball would be in Stillwater given the caliber of play LSU displayed. Everyone ripped OSU saying there was no reason to even want to make the MNC game, well that night proved why... any given team can win on any given day.

With OSU's schedule... they deserved that chance.
 
Looks like A&M stole a Boise coach as Kevin Sumlin fills out his staff.

Boise State defensive backs coach Marcel Yates has decided to leave the Broncos to take a job at Texas A&M, a source told the Idaho Statesman on Wednesday night.

Yates’ specific title is unclear, but he is expected to coach the defensive backs.

Yates has been on the Broncos’ staff for nine years, three as the cornerbacks coach (2003-05) and six as the defensive backs coach (2006-11). He added defensive pass game coordinator to his title in 2011.

He has produced four NFL Draft picks in the past five years and likely will have one more this year. Plus, safety Jeron Johnson made the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent.

Just as importantly, Yates has been the Broncos’ primary recruiter in Los Angeles, one of the program’s key sources of talent.
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pachyderm said:
when & where will he go?

or luck for that matter? predictions... anyone?
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The Colts have already said they are drafting Luck with the first pick, so assuming they can get a contract done with him in the next few months, that's a done deal.

Griffin is a tougher call. His measureables are through the roof and he's a really bright kid, so his stock is only going to go up. The knocks on him are that he can't take a hit and that he's rarely (if ever) taken snaps from under center as part of the college system he ran at Baylor.

Despite those last two, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone trade up to #2 to get him. St Louis obviously isn't going to be in the market for a QB.
 
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IgnatiusTheKing said:
I won't say I'm glad he's dead, but the man was a piece of garbage. All the outpouring of emotion for him makes me sick.
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Strong words

JoPa's legacy serves to remind us that no matter how high or proud the pedestal, in the end, we are all deeply flawed and that some have a brighter light shined on them to reveal those flaws and imperfections
 
MacDawg said:
Strong words

JoPa's legacy serves to remind us that no matter how high or proud the pedestal, in the end, we are all deeply flawed and that some have a brighter light shined on them to reveal those flaws and imperfections
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I'm sure a lot of boys/young men look up to him as a father figure, and I'm sure he earned that admiration from them, but he chose to look the other way when children were being raped, thereby allowing countless more children to be raped. That erases every good thing he ever did.

Just my opinion.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
I'm sure a lot of boys/young men look up to him as a father figure, and I'm sure he earned that admiration from them, but he chose to look the other way when children were being raped, thereby allowing countless more children to be raped. That erases every good thing he ever did.

Just my opinion.
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No, I think there are more that share your opinion......
 
steve2112 said:
On a lighter note:

So, MacDawg, what exactly is UGA feeding those cheerleaders around there?
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:eek:

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It's a little late, but I wanted to thank everyone for another year of great college football discussion. :) Seriously, you are all awesome, and you make college football even more enjoyable for me.

Cheers! :D
 
/sweeps the tumbleweeds out of the room

So what's everyone's opinion about the kickoff change? I'm torn, because to me the kickoff return is one of the most exciting parts of the game. But on the other hand, safety has to come first. There have been too many life-altering injuries on kickoff returns in the last few years.

In other news... TCU is a bunch of druggies, and Oregon cheats.

Discuss.
 
Playoffs!

It's nowhere near perfect, but we finally have a playoff (starting in 2014).

Now all we have to do is wait until the school presidents realize how much money they are throwing away keeping the douchebag bowls involved (as hosts of the national semifinals). Once that happens, we'll see...

  1. Semifinals moved away from bowls and to large stadiums in the region of the higher seeds.
  2. Expansion of the field to 8 teams, adding quarterfinals at home sites.
  3. More conference expansion to get us to four, 16-team conferences.
 
evilgEEk said:
/sweeps the tumbleweeds out of the room

So what's everyone's opinion about the kickoff change? I'm torn, because to me the kickoff return is one of the most exciting parts of the game. But on the other hand, safety has to come first. There have been too many life-altering injuries on kickoff returns in the last few years.

In other news... TCU is a bunch of druggies, and Oregon cheats.

Discuss.
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Wait..... what? I am with you on this one. I have a feeling we will see a less kick off returns for TD's with the new rule, but I also think we will see less players hurt too.
 
Looks like A&M is adjusting well to life in the SEC even before the official move-in date (this Saturday):
  • Backup QB Jonny Manziel was arrested for fighting and for having a fake ID (typical college kid crap, anyway)
  • After forcing Jabba the...I mean Bill Byrne out as AD, A&M went out and stole new cross-division rival South Carolina's highly-regarded AD, Eric Hyman.

Life is good in College Station.
 
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