I think it's gonna be Mo too... they can put Chauncy at backup and move him to the 2 when Bledsoe comes back
I'm excited for Clippers fans. Now all they gotta do is get rid of the coach.
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2011-2012 NBA Season Thread
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I think it's gonna be Mo too... they can put Chauncy at backup and move him to the 2 when Bledsoe comes back
I'm excited for Clippers fans. Now all they gotta do is get rid of the coach.
I don't like Sterling neither but I figure at this point Jim Buss is more of a threat to the Lakers than Sterling is to the Clippers.
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Sterling knows he is going to have to max out CP3, and I dont think they would have made the deal if he thought otherwise. The Lakers will always be LA's team, but the Clippers are going to be the new show in town. Get ready for A LOT of CP3 oops to Griffin on ESPNs top 10.
Whatever. Many players have come to the Clippers thinking they could turn things around. I'll believe it when I see it. Is Chris Paul aware of how many career-crushing knee injuries have happened to Clipper players? Or how disgustingly racist and misogynist Donald Sterling is? Or how they've never had a competent coaching staff other than Larry Brown?
It's possible that Chris Paul can overcome all of these things. It's more likely that he will not. The only question is whether it happens before he signs a long-term contract or afterward.
Okay, I think you're being way, way too negative about this trade. What do injuries to previous Clippers' players have to do with anything? That's not any kind of indicator that knee injuries will happen to Chris Paul, they don't correlate at all. Unless you're insinuating their home court causes them, which is ridiculous.
Clippers fans have something to be excited about. No offense, but it sounds like sour grapes to me.
I agree. Someone just sounds really sour to me. Times are changing, and soon the Clippers will be the main attraction at the Staples Center, not the Lakers. I expect them not only to make the playoffs, but seed higher than the Lakers, that is unless someone goes down with one of those terrible knee injuries that happen to so many past Clippers players
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Actually it's not sour grapes. The Clippers have to win a few championships before I'll actually consider them to be legitimate rivals to the Lakers. I'm not particularly concerned about that. And even if I were, at least there would finally be a local rivalry to be interested in.
No, my skepticism is based on 25 years of seeing the Clippers screw up every good move they've ever made. Until Blake Griffin arrived, there wasn't much to be excited about. I like Griffin a lot and I want him to do well. I hope Paul does well too because he's a talented, hard-working player who's fun to watch. But there have been several Clipper teams that got some people excited, like this might be the year when they really do something, and then it doesn't happen. You'll excuse me if I don't believe it until I see it.
How about a short list of injuries that ruined the careers of the Clippers' best player at the time. None of these players were ever the same afterward and were never productive for the Clippers again:
Bill Walton - bad feet
Norm Nixon - blows out his knee
Marques Johnson - neck injury
Danny Manning - blows out his knee
Ron Harper - blows out his knee
Loy Vaught - back injury
Elton Brand - ruptured Achilles tendon
Shaun Livingston - every ligament in his knee. Do yourself a favor and don't do a Youtube search for this one.
These are just the injuries, the bad luck events that are possibly made worse by the training staff of a cheapskate owner, but probably not. I could provide a much longer list of terrible trades, dumb draft picks, and repulsive Donald Sterling stories if you'd like.
Again, I'm NOT saying that I don't want Paul to succeed. I'm saying that all of this sudden optimism about the Clippers is delusional. Let's maybe see how the season goes first? See if they make the second round of the playoffs for the second time ever? How about we try that?
And "as a Laker fan", I'm actually more annoyed that the David Stern decided to circumvent the CBA that was signed less than 48 hours before he rejected the Paul/Lakers trade than anything else. They couldn't create rules preventing wealthy teams from getting top players, so Stern just arbitrarily did it himself. It makes the whole NBA look very bush-league.
From a basketball perspective, I'm not sure the Paul trade would have improved the Lakers. He already has knee issues. It's unclear how well he would have co-existed with Kobe, who has never played with a star point guard. The Lakers are switching to a new offensive system with a new coaching staff. It's going to be a fluky, chaotic season because of the compressed schedule and lack of training camp. Every team is just going to muddle through to make the playoffs and hope everything comes together by then.
The only Lakers' move that annoys me is the Odom giveaway. And even that doesn't outrage me because I knew that with the more punitive luxury tax of the new CBA, the Lakers were going to have reduce payroll over the next couple years in some way. But the Lakers' highest priority needs to be staying in contention while Kobe is still productive. I think he has three more seasons at the most. After that they can blow the team up and start over, but until then they need to surround him with as many pieces as possible to contend. Since it doesn't look like they will acquire Howard either, it now appears that they gave away Odom for practically nothing. Maybe they have a plan that will work out, but for the first time in a few years, I'm not optimistic about their chances.
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Nope...still sounds like sour grapes....and the usual Lakers fan whining when they're all of a sudden not the talk of the town.
No doubt the Clippers haven't had very much luck - but to dismiss this because of stuff that has happened in the past is ridiculous.
With Griffin and Paul, they have two legit, young stars. And it will be nice to see some new blood in the West...the NBA is boring - having only 3 or 4 real contenders every year is a joke. I look forward to watching teams like the Clippers and the Thunder start to overtake some of the older teams in the West.
Nope...still sounds like sour grapes....and the usual Lakers fan whining when they're all of a sudden not the talk of the town.
No doubt the Clippers haven't had very much luck - but to dismiss this because of stuff that has happened in the past is ridiculous.
With Griffin and Paul, they have two legit, young stars. And it will be nice to see some new blood in the West...the NBA is boring - having only 3 or 4 real contenders every year is a joke. I look forward to watching teams like the Clippers and the Thunder start to overtake some of the older teams in the West.
You can think that if you want to. I've seen the Clippers up close for decades. They're one of, if not the, worst professional franchise in North American sports and have been for a long time. I think that the time for optimism would be when they start actually winning some games.
And I for one have never complained that the Lakers don't get enough attention. Maybe you know different Laker fans than I do. I don't care about the "talk of the town". I just want to see them win. Feel free to search for any other Laker-related posts I've made here and call me out on the whiny ones. I suppose it's easier to just call me whiny than to be sure of it.
Actually, isn't that the best indicator that we have? My point was that, in the long run, it's not just bad luck. Until the Clippers start winning a bunch of games, it's premature to say that they will. Many well-run teams should get the benefit of the doubt about such things, but the Clippers aren't one of them.
Eh...you have bad luck until you don't. See 2004 Boston Red Sox.
And of course, this trade will mean nothing until they win games. Which means you shouldn't bash the trade until they start losing games.
What's the date of the first Clippers/Lakers game?
I think I've just turned the corner in the last few years as a sports fan, I prefer to be optimistic than pessimistic. There's really no joy or point to being doom and gloom. As Moyank said, the 2004 Red Sox are a good example of a team that should have blown it, if you went purely on history. All things change eventually, and I can't think of a better start than with Griffin and Paul. The Clippers will be an exciting team for years to come, and hopefully the renewed interest will help them get and keep stars going forward.
Yes, they have one of the worst owners in sports, but hopefully that too, will change.
Looking forward to more Clippers games this year, although I suspect tickets will be a lot more expensive.
Yes, they have one of the worst owners in sports, but hopefully that too, will change.
Looking forward to more Clippers games this year, although I suspect tickets will be a lot more expensive.
i can't wait to see how this kobe divorce will affect his play. from on top of the world to this bs...go lakers.
Vanessa Bryant is so hot. Bryant is crazy. He really is. I thought he was crazy when he r@ped that 19 year old hotel employee (never found guilty of that crime (only cheating), but......it's Kobe, so you never know), and then he continued to cheat.
He's an overall d-bag. I'm not surprised by the divorce, or the cheating.
He's an overall d-bag. I'm not surprised by the divorce, or the cheating.
I'm not sure it's her hotness that makes him crazy. He was a hyper-competitive dick in the Michael Jordan mold before she came along. Considering how many women he can choose from, I'm guessing that her hotness is relative, which is a sad thing for him to be thinking about his own wife.
No, the big thing is that he was an NBA star at age 21 and apparently married without a prenup. That's crazy.
Gosh I miss Paul Pierce. Sorry to sound like Tommy Heinsohn, but those refs last night were horrendous. So sick of flopping getting called as a charge. I'm looking at you, Norris Cole. The charge/blocking rule is my absolute least favorite in all of basketball. Even when the Celtics get a charge called, I can't help but roll my eyes a little. Pansy ass rule.
That said, the Heat look like the obvious favorites to me. Which is both interesting and abhorrent.
Sorry to sound like Tommy Heinsohn, but those refs last night were horrendous. So sick of flopping getting called as a charge. I'm looking at you, Norris Cole. The charge/blocking rule is my absolute least favorite in all of basketball. Even when the Celtics get a charge called, I can't help but roll my eyes a little. Pansy ass rule.That said, the Heat look like the obvious favorites to me. Which is both interesting and abhorrent.
Gosh I miss Paul Pierce.
That said, the Heat look like the obvious favorites to me. Which is both interesting and abhorrent.
I KNOW RIGHT!!! The Celtics have really been screwed over by the officiating this year. One thing I've noticed is all of the technical fouls being called. I wonder if the refs get a bonus for every tech they call because I have noticed a huge spike. Honestly bad officiating is what caused us to lose the Knicks game.
The Heat are looking real good this year. So fast, transition game is the best I've seen.
There probably wont be a rematch of last year because Dallas is sucking so far.
Officiating in this league has become a huge joke. It's so beyond rigged its not even fun to watch anymore. I don't see myself watching that much of the NBA this year because of this.
I know. I swear some of these refs are being paid under the table. I was so disappointed with the calls in the Knicks game. Especially in crucial moments. When the commentators constantly say "thats the wrong call", "bad call", or "I don't agree with that call" then something is wrong. I swear thats all I seem to hear this year. It's veteran refs too, ones that have been in the game 20+ years.
As a Heat fan, Im glad we got the win, BUT...the charge that Cole took, and the foul on Bosh when he was going to the rim was RIDICULOUS! I thought there were a few calls on the Heat that were in question also, but nowhere near as atrocious as those calls. The league should be embarrassed, and there really is nothing more that can be said about the officiating last night.
Seriously, and damn, if any there's any team in the league that doesn't need help from the refs, it's the freaking Heat!
Still, I enjoyed the game. It's clear to me my Celtics aren't true championship contenders this year, but I'm already loving their never say die attitude. Twice in two games they went down big against a good team without their main scorer and came back to make it a game. That's all I can ask for. That, and our first win tonight against New Orleans.
Also, let's hope Rondo's improved shooting touch is here to stay. If he can shoot the ball, watch out. He's fun to watch.
Not just last night, every game I've watched so far has had horrendous officiating.
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Seriously, and damn, if any there's any team in the league that doesn't need help from the refs, it's the freaking Heat!
Still, I enjoyed the game. It's clear to me my Celtics aren't true championship contenders this year, but I'm already loving their never say die attitude. Twice in two games they went down big against a good team without their main scorer and came back to make it a game. That's all I can ask for. That, and our first win tonight against New Orleans.
Also, let's hope Rondo's improved shooting touch is here to stay. If he can shoot the ball, watch out. He's fun to watch.
Hey we might be contenders, we lost to two really good teams without one of our best players. When Pierce comes back we will be better than last year, especially with Bass replacing Davis. Bass is better offensively. I mean watch out you never know.