2011 Apple Design Awards for Both iOS and Mac OS X, App Store Only

[ktappe]

What exactly is a 'hater'? Someone that disagrees with the company line? Someone with a dissenting opinion?

Strongly agree. "Dissent" does not equal "hate". On the contrary, dissenting voices are what make our society so grand.

There are LOTS of completely valid reasons for a perfectly good app to not be in the App Store. There are many apps that are very useful, productive, and of high quality that by their very nature can't get into the App store due to its rules. Rules that forbid the exact reason some of those apps exist; such as modifying the OS in ways the user needs or by doing things a better way than Apple does. As a result, these "awards" are tainted from the very get-go and I plan to dismiss them accordingly.

 

[Matthew Yohe]

The Mac App store updating mechanism is flawed, at least in my experience. For example, a few days ago the Mac App Store did not detect that I had the app Awaken 4 on my mac, even thought they host Awaken 5 on the store. I had to go to the developers website and download Awaken 5 and then update it the old fashioned way.

Basically the problem here is that Apple adds the "Installed" tag inside the App Store to apps that you have in your Applications directory of which is also on the store. They shouldn't do this, because as you discovered, the Mac App Store will not update anything that it didn't install itself. That hasn't gotten across to customers, and really it shouldn't have to, it should just do the right thing. (ie. Not tell users it is installed when the Mac App Store can't do any updating to it.)

I'll bet it will work a bit better by the time Lion roars.

 

[Stella]

Apple does not offer all of its own apps in the app store. Is Final Cut Studio in the app store?

I'm betting the net Final Cut will be though!

The 2011 Apple Design awards have become pretty meaningless.. last year OSX apps weren't, IRC, eligible, only iOS.

 

[Surreal]

I voted this negative because Apple won't accept certain apps for doing reasonable things. "dangerous" if done incorrectly, but reasonable.

Until devs can do all of the low level things they need to, this is a bad move.

 

[ChrisA]

+1

Why awards at all? An American disease carried into all cultures of the world!

If something or somebody is good, they get the award(s) they deserve: and want most of all:

$$$ in the bank...

And by your Logic a $300 eMachine PC is better than an Apple MacPro because Wallmart sells more $300 computers.

I guess Toyota builds better cars than BMW.

If you go only one numbers sold then only software with wide use like web browsers or word processors can "win". A scientific data visualization program could never win not mater how good it is.

Actually if you go by numbers sold who usually wins it the product with the lower price..

 

[Starflyer]

What exactly is a 'hater'? Someone that disagrees with the company line? Someone with a dissenting opinion?

He didn't say everyone who cries foul is a hater.

 

[Preclaro_tipo]

missing the point?

I never said it was perfect. If you have many apps as I do that DON'T have automatic updates then it is a royal pain in the ass to go to their site(assuming you even know where it is), download it again, unpackage the dmg, and place it in my applications folder. Sure, if you only have a few apps then it isn't THAT bad but I have upwards to 20 apps that I have to do this with. It's a chore. With the Mac App Store I can take a quick glance, click update all if there are any updates and be done with it.

If I understand some of you on this thread correctly then it is my opinion that you've missed the point, slightly.

I don't think that the merits or demerits of the mac app store are the core point here. The store may be good, excellent, bad, poor, draconian, onerous or whatever but Apple is going to award programming and application awards to only those apps that are distributed through their application store.

Even if you think the store is great, hell even if the store IS GREAT, don't you also feel that it isn't the ONLY way to get quality, well made applications.

Apple is only promoting application which it profits from AND which conform to its Terms of Service.

The offensive part for me is just how unapologetic they seem to be showing bias for what makes them money, not with what may be driving the platform or solving user needs/wants.

I anticipate that some may remind me about Apple's responsibility to shareholders and about being a profitable business and therefore say that it is obvious that they support the apps from which they make a profit. I just think that is an oversimplification of situation and I think this does more to hurt the image of the platform, rather than improve it. It does more to hurt developer interest than it does improve developer interest in the mac platform. Long term, I'd rather see them building an enthusiasm for their products (including the mac app store) for their own merits.

 

[Dr McKay]

Ooh the arguments are getting heated up in this thread

Thought I'd offer a light refreshment.

 

[djgamble]

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How about Cydia apps? ;p

 

[jonnysods]

This is kind of rough. Shame it's heading this way.

 

[aiqw9182]

If I understand some of you on this thread correctly then it is my opinion that you've missed the point, slightly.

I don't think that the merits or demerits of the mac app store are the core point here. The store may be good, excellent, bad, poor, draconian, onerous or whatever but Apple is going to award programming and application awards to only those apps that are distributed through their application store.

Even if you think the store is great, hell even if the store IS GREAT, don't you also feel that it isn't the ONLY way to get quality, well made applications.

Apple is only promoting application which it profits from AND which conform to its Terms of Service.

The offensive part for me is just how unapologetic they seem to be showing bias for what makes them money, not with what may be driving the platform or solving user needs/wants.

I anticipate that some may remind me about Apple's responsibility to shareholders and about being a profitable business and therefore say that it is obvious that they support the apps from which they make a profit. I just think that is an oversimplification of situation and I think this does more to hurt the image of the platform, rather than improve it. It does more to hurt developer interest than it does improve developer interest in the mac platform. Long term, I'd rather see them building an enthusiasm for their products (including the mac app store) for their own merits.

Not even going to bother reading this because I was NEVER discussing or defending Apple for only picking apps in the App Store. Get your facts straight before you decide to write a book on an internet forum over a discussion that went on for two replies.

 

[jonnysods]

Seriously - in 5 years we will all be trying to jailbreak our computers so we can run apps that make our computer function amazingly well and help us be productive, but break Apple's TOS.

 

[Detlev]

Ooh the arguments are getting heated up in this thread

Thought I'd offer a light refreshment.

Nice. You've been waiting to use that, haven't you?

 

[*LTD*]

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Very, very smart move. Good for Apple, good for devs.

 

[Bubba Satori]

What exactly is a 'hater'? Someone that disagrees with the company line? Someone with a dissenting opinion?

Yes, it's the new iToy double think paradigm.
Think Different has been replaced by Don't Think At All, Hater.
Sad, what long term koolaid abuse does to the gray cells.
What's hilarious is the preemptive timing of the hating predictions.
Poor, feeble minded bois must be constantly trembling in fear.
Not even Pavlov's dog drooled before the bell rung.
Scary iZombies are scary.

"Don't think haters. Agree with glorious leader."

 

[Slammy]

So which is it Apple?

1) Do you want to make things that are "insanely great".

or

2) Do you want to make the most amount of money?


Because my understanding of awards is that they are usually given to encourage and reward the best, not the best of a subset, but the best of all.

If the majority of previous award winners are NOT in the app store, it would suggest that these awards will NOT be to encourage or reward the best, but rather as a cynical marketing tool. So what is it Apple, are you cynical marketeers, or are you creators of and encouragers of that which is insanely great?

 

[louis Fashion]

Big Gray Box

I award the l. Fashion design award to the big grey box at the top of this thread. Would look nice on my desk.

 

[rwilliams]

He didn't say everyone who cries foul is a hater.

Yet it has become the norm in these forums to label anyone who doesn't like or agree with a decision, design, product, etc. a 'hater'. It's lazy and ignorant.

 

[wovel]

So..What great App you all feel is going to be excluded by this change? I did not see anything from last years winners that could not be in the app store if the developer wanted.

 

[Gugulino]

Yeah, the more popular apps get even more popular and the little apps get lost on the Mac App Store. Apple should improve this. For example Apple could list all new updates in a separate category. For now you can update your app, but no one will notice it. I am not so satisfied with the MAS, but I hope it will get better in the future.

 

[Vegasman]

So..What great App you all feel is going to be excluded by this change? I did not see anything from last years winners that could not be in the app store if the developer wanted.

If you have a great app, you may not need the App Store to help market it. So why give Steve 30% when you don't need to.

 

[GorillaPaws]

So..What great App you all feel is going to be excluded by this change? I did not see anything from last years winners that could not be in the app store if the developer wanted.

Any app that uses a private API to bypass a bug in Apple's code and thereby improve the end-user's experience for one.

 

[azentropy]

Ooh the arguments are getting heated up in this thread

Thought I'd offer a light refreshment.

What no orange or cherry?

Sure Apple can offer 7 different iPod Nano colors but they can't offer more than 2 different Apple Kool Aid flavors?!?!?

 

[iZac]

This not so subtle shift is a terrifying glimpse into the future of our beloved OSX.

 

[andys53]

Just give Apple & Stevie boy an award for the most tech headlines. Assure him ego boosting daily publicity to fill the insatiable need for attention, just like any 2 year old kid

But what a 2 year old kid. To be able to take Apple to be the 2nd. largest company in the world in just a few short years!

For my part as a consumer I like the App. store, if later that changes, I think public pressure will force Apple to reverse some of it's practises or watch trade dry up.