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What did you think they would do, rummage through all the non-app store apps on the Mac platform? Lol, some people are ridiculous.
Yes, hilarious. It beats me how they managed to give out the design awards every other year before the app store existed, it just couldn't have been physically possible.
 
1) Do you want to make things that are "insanely great".

or

2) Do you want to make the most amount of money?

So what is it Apple, are you cynical marketeers, or are you creators of and encouragers of that which is insanely great?

Not so sure it has to be one or the other. Oh mac rumors posters we just love to polarize things to make our point.

As i see it the app store awards are "mostly" a win-win. Developers who receive the award get promoted to the hilt by apple because now promoting and selling apps becomes more relevant to Apple's enlightened self interest (pocket book). The developers will reap more sales($) than they did relative to previous years, because of more active promotion by apple - e.g. a prominent award listing on the app store.

Welcome to good business folks this is what it looks like - it has a lot to do with both parties banking more from the deal.
 
1) Do you want to make things that are "insanely great".

or

2) Do you want to make the most amount of money?


Because my understanding of awards is that they are usually given to encourage and reward the best, not the best of a subset, but the best of all.

If the majority of previous award winners are NOT in the app store, it would suggest that these awards will NOT be to encourage or reward the best, but rather as a cynical marketing tool. So what is it Apple, are you cynical marketeers, or are you creators of and encouragers of that which is insanely great?
Are "insanely great" & "making money" mutually exclusive?

The majority of the 2009 winners are not in the App Store per the developers choice. There were no awards in 2010. It's obvious this is Apple's game. If there were an App Store in 2009, the majority of those apps would not have won.
 
This not so subtle shift is a terrifying glimpse into the future of our beloved OSX.

That is so crazy it's ridiculous. There is no evidence to support your statement. Mac OS X is not headed towards the "walled garden" universe that everyone seems to freak out over. Apple's just giving people who don't know anything about computers an easy way to purchase and find applications.

I do agree, however, that by not including applications outside of the Mac App Store Apple is diminishing the value of the award. I believe it is within their right to do so, although I don't like it.
 
That is so crazy it's ridiculous. There is no evidence to support your statement. Mac OS X is not headed towards the "walled garden" universe that everyone seems to freak out over. Apple's just giving people who don't know anything about computers an easy way to purchase and find applications.

I do agree, however, that by not including applications outside of the Mac App Store Apple is diminishing the value of the award. I believe it is within their right to do so, although I don't like it.

I honestly wouldn't put it past Jobs. I really believe he wants the Mac to be a walled garden just like iOS.
 
What exactly is a 'hater'? Someone that disagrees with the company line? Someone with a dissenting opinion?

How about someone that has a negative opinion on whatever Apple does. You don't have to look far in any thread. They're the ones that are usually whining about something and often are threatening to switch brands over imagined minor rumors.
 
prediction

I predict that the revenue bump experienced by award winners in previous years will pale in comparison to the bump received by 2011 winners in conjunction with the placement they'll get in the app store following the award. And the 2012 bump will eclipse that.
 
I voted this negative because Apple won't accept certain apps for doing reasonable things. "dangerous" if done incorrectly, but reasonable.

Until devs can do all of the low level things they need to, this is a bad move.

Think about it. If Apple sells an app (via the Mac App Store) that modifies the system, then they need to take that into account when troubleshooting hardware issues, and can't tell you to eliminate the app they sold you.
 
That is so crazy it's ridiculous. There is no evidence to support your statement. Mac OS X is not headed towards the "walled garden" universe that everyone seems to freak out over. Apple's just giving people who don't know anything about computers an easy way to purchase and find applications.

I do agree, however, that by not including applications outside of the Mac App Store Apple is diminishing the value of the award. I believe it is within their right to do so, although I don't like it.

Oh certainly they won't lock OSX down in the near future but it is a clear shun for any developer that doesn't want to play in their sandbox and take a 30% hit for the privilege.

Then again, we didn't have any sort of 'App store' 3 years ago. I'd say that's a pretty rapid pace for a big change in the way people are buying applications.
 
Before it was sooo.... hard. My wrist still hurts from dragging one single file to the Applications folder. Oh, and I just love having to pay sales tax on the apps. :rolleyes:

I don't hate the Mac App store, I just don't think it should be a factor in the award. With that said, its Apples award and they can do as they please with it, including making acceptance of onerous terms a prerequisite to compete.

Respectfully, I think you're missing the point. In its totality, installing an app is more like:

1) Google or otherwise search for an app. Make sure its the Mac version, compatible with your OS version, processor, etc. There probably won't be any reviews, more like select quotes from people who liked it.
2) IF you trust that website, fill out your credit card information, PayPal account, etc.
3) Download it and do the process you described for installing.
4) If you need to re-install the app, buy a new computer, etc. hope that the company allows you to re-download it.
5) If you have a good/bad experience, good luck reviewing it or rating it.

I'm a pretty tech-savvy guy and I still appreciate the ease of the Mac App Store.
 
Are you new to the design awards? They have existed for years without the App Store. It used to to be that you would submit your app to Apple prior to WWDC. Why would an App Store be required?

Gasoline used to cost .25 a gallon. :rolleyes:
 
Apple does not offer all of its own apps in the app store. Is Final Cut Studio in the app store?

This requirement will have two effects

(1) make the award irrelevant because everyone will know that the best apps were not even in the race and
(2) Shows that Apple is greedy by asking others to do what they don't.
At least now we know office 2011 won't be under consideration.
 
Its Apple's award, I think they have the freedom to set the rules as they wish. They are simply trying to encourage developers to go to the Mac App Store, don't they have that right with their award?
 
If you have a great app, you may not need the App Store to help market it. So why give Steve 30% when you don't need to.

Now that there is an app store, that is pretty much where I look. The invisible man led a lonely life.
 
Seriously Apple, how soon until the app store is the only way to install apps on your mac?

If it's going to happen I hope it's soon. Photoshop CS5.5/6.0 will be out soon and I need to decide which platform will be my main one. It could go either way over the long term. My copy of PS CS3 for Windows will have to be updated to the next release in order to maintain upgrade privileges for Windows.
 
Respectfully, I think you're missing the point. In its totality, installing an app is more like:

1) Google or otherwise search for an app. Make sure its the Mac version, compatible with your OS version, processor, etc. There probably won't be any reviews, more like select quotes from people who liked it.
2) IF you trust that website, fill out your credit card information, PayPal account, etc.
3) Download it and do the process you described for installing.
4) If you need to re-install the app, buy a new computer, etc. hope that the company allows you to re-download it.
5) If you have a good/bad experience, good luck reviewing it or rating it.

I'm a pretty tech-savvy guy and I still appreciate the ease of the Mac App Store.

Hyperbole.. dear lord - over exaggeration.

* use your favourite mac listing website of your choice - you only need to find a few, and they don't take long to find. Only need to do this once.

* Pretty much all companies allow you to re-download, so no need to worry there.

* a lot of software listing sites allow reviews, for example, mac update, versiontracker

* most software companies use reputable payment processors, larger companies often use their own - and can be trusted.

* UNLIKE, the mac appstore, you can very often download TRIAL versions so you can TRY BEFORE you BUY!

Sure, the mac app store is convenient, but shouldn't be relied upon as the only source of software due to its limitations and limited software listings.

If someone never ventures out side the appstore then they'll miss out on gems such as 1Password, Launchbar, bettertouchtool... and many others.
 
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Hyperbole.. dear lord - over exaggeration.

* use your favourite mac listing website of your choice - you only need to find a few, and they don't take long to find. Only need to do this once.

* Pretty much all companies allow you to re-download, so no need to worry there.

* a lot of software listing sites allow reviews, for example, mac update, versiontracker

* most software companies use reputable payment processors, larger companies often use their own - and can be trusted.

* UNLIKE, the mac appstore, you can very often download TRIAL versions so you can TRY BEFORE you BUY!

Sure, the mac app store is convenient, but shouldn't be relied upon as the only source of software due to its limitations and limited software listings.

If someone never ventures out side the appstore then they'll miss out on gems such as 1Password, Launchbar, bettertouchtool... and many others.

Thank you for a nice post. More of these please. No sarcasm.
 
Respectfully, I think you're missing the point. In its totality, installing an app is more like:

1) Google or otherwise search for an app. Make sure its the Mac version, compatible with your OS version, processor, etc. There probably won't be any reviews, more like select quotes from people who liked it.
2) IF you trust that website, fill out your credit card information, PayPal account, etc.
3) Download it and do the process you described for installing.
4) If you need to re-install the app, buy a new computer, etc. hope that the company allows you to re-download it.
5) If you have a good/bad experience, good luck reviewing it or rating it.

I'm a pretty tech-savvy guy and I still appreciate the ease of the Mac App Store.

Oh my gosh, the terrible amount of work you have to go through just to buy and install an application. Put convenience as your first priority and Steve will make many things "easier" for you. . .
 
Respectfully, I think you're missing the point. In its totality, installing an app is more like:

1) Google or otherwise search for an app. Make sure its the Mac version, compatible with your OS version, processor, etc. There probably won't be any reviews, more like select quotes from people who liked it.
2) IF you trust that website, fill out your credit card information, PayPal account, etc.
3) Download it and do the process you described for installing.
4) If you need to re-install the app, buy a new computer, etc. hope that the company allows you to re-download it.
5) If you have a good/bad experience, good luck reviewing it or rating it.

I'm a pretty tech-savvy guy and I still appreciate the ease of the Mac App Store.


Yet, inexplicably, we made due without a walled garden for decades.

1) Wow, you will have to do some research. There might even be some reading involved. Also, since OS 10.6.6 + is the only OS that will run the store, its pretty easy to ensure compatibility.

2) Most apps I use are free (not stolen), so payment does not factor in unless I doneate via PayPal. Also, since Apple is taking a pretty large slice of the revenue, at some point this will have to be passed on to the consumers

3) A file on a thumb drive is easier to pass along than download a file from the internet via the Mac App store.

4) Or you could store the file on your hard drive or a NAS, or a cheap external drive. Noting says you have to re-download it.

5) So I guess that sites like MacUpdate are not useful? There are plenty of review sites for OS X apps.

Its not a bad concept - if its voluntary. However, to make it a rule to compete in the Design Award is lame. As others have said, it should be renamed the MacStore App Award to reflect the narrowing of the field they are doing by only allowing App Store devs to compete.
 
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