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It's a little sad when the most exciting 'racing' is happening in the middle of the field.

All the while there's a massively superior car (not discounting the talent - however subjective - of the driver) pulling out a huge gap at the front of the field, the race is going to lose some of it's lustre.

I'm not suggesting every race should be down to the wire, but it shouldn't be so easy for the guy on pole to win the race every single time.

Surely Vettel must get tired of just being miles ahead of everyone else with nary a challenge to his lead? :confused:
 
Nigel Mansell walked to his championship in 1992 thanks to having the best chassis and best engine in the field. He also took 14 poles that year, the most ever by a driver in a single season. Williams took 15 poles in 1992, tied with McLaren for the most by a team.

Schumacher won 72% of the races in the 2004 season (13 of 18), including the first 12 back-to-back. In 2002, he secured the WC in the 11th race of 17 so if SV takes it at Singapore, he would secure it at the 14th of 19 races and still have taken longer than Michael in 2002.

So been there, done that. When you have (one of) the best driver(s) in the field in the best car, it's usually a pretty easy cruise to the WC.
 
Nigel Mansell walked to his championship in 1992 thanks to having the best chassis and best engine in the field. He also took 14 poles that year, the most ever by a driver in a single season. Williams took 15 poles in 1992, tied with McLaren for the most by a team.

Schumacher won 72% of the races in the 2004 season (13 of 18), including the first 12 back-to-back. In 2002, he secured the WC in the 11th race of 17 so if SV takes it at Singapore, he would secure it at the 14th of 19 races and still have taken longer than Michael in 2002.

So been there, done that. When you have (one of) the best driver(s) in the field in the best car, it's usually a pretty easy cruise to the WC.

and Schumacer never looked the least bit bothered by any of it...
 
The Speed commentators this weekend kept talking a lot of about slipstreams and tows, I gather because of the longer straights, yet I had the impression that had a trump on the usual "They're going slower because they are caught up behind somebody and don't have clean air." Why is that? To counter that Vettel opened up a massive gap on Alonso and never looked back (how is that even remotely fun?) with no benefit of drafting. I gather despite the praise clean air is still better.

The McLaren -v- the Schumacher Mercedes GP car in a straight line was a good example, the McLaren was maxing out at 329/330km/h down the main straight, right on the rev-limiter while the Mercedes, presumably with less downforce and longer gearing was able to do at least 330km/h or a bit more on its own with no help from anything else.

You could see it a few times, Lewis would slipstream after the Parabolica and get pull out of the slipstream, only to fall back and have to pull in and slipstream again but then run into the rev-limiter.

That straightline speed saved the Mercedes many times, and made up for its poor grip and wearing out the rear tyres quickly (which it has done often this season).

It is somewhat sad to see the Vettel walkover - but that's the way it is when a good driver is in a very superior car, and the other team driver seems to be quite unlucky. :( The team worked hard for that superiority, so credit to them.

If more testing was allowed in season, we might see a bit more competition with other teams catching up to Red Bull. The way things are now, Mercedes might as well write off this season and start developing and testing next years car on the simulators (as McLaren does).

Vettel's performance shows the advantage of massively superior car performance. Even though it isn't the fastest going down the straights, if you can get through the corners very fast you have a chance to get enough gap to hold off a faster car down the next straight. The Red Bulls typically did this in Turkey last year through the fastest corner, going through that corner at full throttle, while everything else had to downshift.

Schumacher tried it in the Mercedes in qualifying just once at that race, and very nearly had the mother and father of all accidents. Goes to show how big an advantage that downforce is, even on high speed circuits.
 
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One can only image with the specs how fast it would be: 1483bhp, 545kg.

Fantastic looking piece of kit isn't it, I don't actually think I'd be disappointed to see F1 go down the closed cockpit, closed wheel route. :)

Though I wonder why he didn't opt for 4WD? A car with that sort of torque and power is going to struggle putting its power down, even with traction control.

With adaptive aerodynamics and torque vectoring, understeer isn't going to be a problem. There'll be a weight penalty... but I suspect the traction advantage would negate that.

I don't feel like he's done much to deserve a second championship.

I have to ask… what else would he have to do for you to think he'd be deserving of it?

That straightline speed saved the Mercedes many times

That and Schumacher in the corners… he was brilliant. Right. On. The. F'in. Line. :D
 
I'm ready for this season to be over. ... Aside from him having a good car, I don't feel like he's done much to deserve a second championship.

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i think i agree to your whole post... at least somewhat...

I would say that when your given the best car, which he clearly has been, you win. He's done that and not made a mess of his chances unlike his teammate. Sadly, F1 is a sport of haves and have nots. For the most part it always has been.

I almost feel like the chumps chasing him don't deserve to be credited with the podiums that they receive... It is frustrating and can be broinnng but I've seen some very good stuff this season. The Schumacer era was, for me, the most boring.



Be glad you don't root for Trulli like I do. :D
 
I have to ask… what else would he have to do for you to think he'd be deserving of it?

As I alluded to earlier I think most of his success has come from this car. As we've seen from qualifying all of the drivers are capable of getting around the track in reasonable time. As the season has progressed that gap has fallen and you have roughly the top 15 drivers within 2 seconds of each other. Yet we continue to see Vettle get poll by a few 100ths, and then open up a huge lead and not look back. As a result, you don't see much of his performance in driving ability to make him stand out from the rest of the field. As others have pointed out, the rest of the field continues to battle back and forth for positions while he runs off.

I do credit his pass on Alonso in Italy like I said, but aside from that he hasn't show much in the way of his capability to beat other drives in racing conditions. I think Monaco was the perfect example of how he got away with one. He was wearing his tires down, and had not there been a weird stop to allow them to change tires he would have likely been passed. I still look back on that race with regret, because it could have been an all time classic if it was allow to finish naturally.
 
As I alluded to earlier I think most of his success has come from this car.

You'd have a point, if his teammate, and almost 2010 World Champion wasn't a few places and 117 points behind of course. :p

In other words, it's not just the car.

As a result, you don't see much of his performance in driving ability to make him stand out from the rest of the field.

But surely you do. He's not making mistakes. When he has the best car he's winning. When he doesn't, he's notching up the points. When he has to race, he does. And it appears that even when he can afford to play it safe and settle for second, he much prefers to trim the grass around the outside of Curva Grande.

And as a result, it is that performance that is making him stand out from the rest of the field.

It is after all, hardly his fault that the performances of the other drivers are not up to scratch.

Personally I fail to see what else he could possibly do to be more deserving of his second World Championship.
 
after all the biggest strength of vettel this season seems to be his extreme consistency: no matter how bad the qualifying was up the the last few minutes, when it's about the fastest lap for the pole he delivers

same about starting from the grid: how many horrible launches did we see from Webber ? at least half of the races he screws up only to have to fight back through the grid

Hamilton: great speed but has way to many problems because of his over aggressiveness

same with Alonso or Button: one has great starts and early race speed but a not so great car, and the other is a great clean racer but has problem in qualifying and early in the race/starts
 
Nice cathartic momement for Lewis on the grid walk with MB. First of all he spoke to him (Lewis has been refusing grid walk talks with Martin pre-race this season), and clearly there has been some reconcilliation with his dad, suggesting the tributes on his helmet. Better helmet idea than Vettel's - nice tribute.
 
typical 2011 race so far in Singapore:

-vettels leads the pack easily
-webber fails at the launch
-alonso does the opposite
-hamilton loses a wing while overtaking Massa
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- .. and getting a drive through penalty for it
 
Another boring Vettel race win. Hamilton again too aggressive and pretty clear Schuey put himself in a bad spot as well. Just 1 point short for Vettel to clinch now, all but a given next race.
 
Another boring Vettel race win. Hamilton again too aggressive and pretty clear Schuey put himself in a bad spot as well. Just 1 point short for Vettel to clinch now, all but a given next race.

I don't think Hamilton was being too aggressive. At the moment we appear to have lapsed back into the days of inconsistent stewarding, and Lewis is getting the brunt of it. Schumi's today was very similar to Hamilton on Kobayashi in Spa, Hamilton today or even Button and Alonso in Canada. Hamilton is getting penalised more often than nit, and I fear comments like those by Massa aren't helping.
 
Lewis damaged his car a bit, but Massa got the puncture as a result. I think the penalty might have been justified. But maybe if Massa didn't get that puncture, the stewards would have let it go. If anything, it was a bit clumsy. But perhaps I'm still on the fence.

I've given up on watching most F1 races - the Singapore GP was broadcast at a ridiculous time, some 10:00pm at night here, after watching the the first section of the race, I went to bed - knowing that barring accident or mechanical failure, Vettel would win.

I long for the old days of F1 with some interesting cars, turbo fours, sixes, V8s and V12s of all sorts, and wierd car designs like Tyrrell P34, Brabham BT46B, BT49 (variable ride height and water cooled brakes). It was just a wonderful period of motorsport.
 
I don't think Hamilton was being too aggressive.

It was a strange one, looked like a lapse in concentration more like his incident with Kobayashi in Spa rather than being overly aggressive.

If anything Schumacher's incident was more comparable to the Hamilton/Button incident in Canada.

At the moment we appear to have lapsed back into the days of inconsistent stewarding, and Lewis is getting the brunt of it.

Stewarding will always be inconsistent when factors within the stewards themselves are not consistent on a race-to-race basis.

But the penalty yesterday was fully deserved because he ruined Massa's race, had he not have punctured Massa's tyre, and only compromised his own race with the broken wing, then he almost certainly wouldn't have received a penalty, much like in Canada where he only ruined his own race.

Hamilton is getting penalised more often than nit.

Which is only the result of him being involved (and often causing) incidents. Just look at qualifying, he almost wiped out Massa on the out lap. What on earth was he thinking there?

But the absolutely most astounding thing about all of this, is that both he and his team continue to take the stance that he doesn't need to change his approach. When you're involved in the sheer number of incidents that he is, and most of which you are actually responsible for, then yes… you do need to change. Quickly. Meanwhile Vettel continues to look more and more like Schumacher in his heyday. :eek:
 
I've given up on watching most F1 races - the Singapore GP was broadcast at a ridiculous time, some 10:00pm at night here, after watching the the first section of the race, I went to bed - knowing that barring accident or mechanical failure, Vettel would win.

You must be in Sydney/Melbourne/Brisbane for it to be on at 10pm, but it's always on at 10pm here! So how is it ridiculous?
 
Chrome's latest F1 extension version 2.2.3 is the magic number, they've got this sorted very nicely.

I've been using it since release, no crashes, or bugs. A great extension.

Here's a link for you:
http://goo.gl/ojixc
 
Good weekend for JB - sign a new contract and win the race. Nice to see Alonso on the podium. And with SV wrapping up his second title, should be an interesting last four races since everybody is just playing for wins, now.
 
My DVR screwed it up and quite recording halway through the race. I get home after a long night shift to watch the race and only half of it was recorded, not a happy camper.
 
My DVR screwed it up and quite recording halway through the race. I get home after a long night shift to watch the race and only half of it was recorded, not a happy camper.

I think this might have been SPEED's info to the various programming guides. My Tivo recorded 0200 to 0300 and then showed a second airing from 0300 to 0430. I woke up at 0330 so I was able to record what was in the queue.
 
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