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There is less risk partially because of better technology and organisation.

What of past fatalities that were not due to driver error pushing the limit, but design flaws or incompetance?

Why take unnecessary risk when technology such as fire retardent overall, proper crash helmets and crumple zones are easily availible?


Do you ride motorbike without crash helmet, leathers, high quality brakes?

yes i do wear protective clothing and helmet on the track i like taking risk , but that does not mean i am insane
and modern F1 cars are safe too , not like 40 years ago when those cars you would not even drive around town today within speed limits

and the nordschleife can be used for F1 cars ..here a vid from heidfeld driving his F1 BMW on the nordschleife
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w

and its still used for racing ....Porsche carrera world cup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awNmoyW76Vg
 
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who got the idea that race driving is without risk , after all those formula 1 cars are a lot safer today ,carbon fiber monocoques, for god sake they even have seatbelts today , the driver today earn millions a year so they should take some risk to deserve that money
for me the risk on the Nürburgring Nordschleife with the motorcycle is part of the fun and i can calculate it , ok you need to take care when overtaking some spoiled kids driving around with daddy's Porsche or other fast cars driving like they are on a sightseeing tour blocking the ideal line and i'm not the fastest with my best time 8:36 min for a round
i'm also every year on the isle of man which makes even more fun through villages on public roads without getting a speeding ticket...see you on Mad Sunday :D

No Risk No Fun
My wife works in a trauma unit. They have a name for you...donorcycle. :p
 
I hate hamilton a lot but the way maldonado acted was rediculous.

I think you have to consider the incident as a whole, I suspect Maldonado wasn't particularly pleased with Hamilton's manoeuvre at the final corner (perhaps understandable given that a similar ill-conceived lunge by Hamilton at Sainte Devote in Monaco put Maldonado into the barriers), as well as Hamilton's apparent attempts at intimidation and then showing some level of displeasure to him by waving his hand after La Source. Given that level of provocation I don't think it's all that surprising that Maldonado felt the need to retaliate, however ill judged, grossly irresponsible and dangerous it actually was.

Like I said though, they were both being childish in the extreme. But both were to blame for the incident. Something the BBC team seemed completely incapable of acknowledging. And to put my original bias comments further into context, some members of the BBC commentary team even tried to blame Koba for the incident in the race. Unbelievable.

and the nordschleife can be used for F1 cars ..

As recent demonstrations have proven, F1 cars can be driven off-road and on snow as well… driving one around the Nordschleife isn't the problem, racing 24 of them around it is.

It's certainly arguable that the track is inherently too narrow & too bumpy for a contemporary F1 car, it's also arguable that like Monaco, the cars themselves are now simply too fast for the circuit itself, a theory that is supported from Heidfeld running at the 'ring, and as inconceivable as it may seem, there's a real possibility that the race would, like Monaco be in danger of becoming processional.
 
Looks like Heidfeld and Renault came to terms out of court. I'm sure they paid him a good deal of money. I'm a bit mixed on this. I don't think he was driving poorly enough to get the boot, especially since he was doing relatively better than his teammate, and he didn't finish a few races due to mechanical issues. However, I am pleased to see Senna get another shot for the "remainder" of the season. Other drives I think could succeed if given a chance are Hulkenburg and possibly Chandhock.
 
Given that level of provocation I don't think it's all that surprising that Maldonado felt the need to retaliate, however ill judged, grossly irresponsible and dangerous it actually was.

I would say this is why the BBC team came down hard on Maldonado. Hamilton's move on Kobayashi was ill-judged, unkucky at best. Maldonado's was down right dangerous - he had no idea what Hamilton was going to do yet appeared to try to take him out. As DC pointed out, there may be anamosity between the two, but fisticuffs is a much better way than try to cause him to have an accident.
 
I would say this is why the BBC team came down hard on Maldonado.

And deservedly so, but in the process they also completely ignored Hamilton's contribution to the incident, which then of course leads to accusations of bias. Accusations that gained further credence on Sunday when they attempted to suggest that it was Koba that caused the incident on Sunday.

Maldonado's was down right dangerous - he had no idea what Hamilton was going to do yet appeared to try to take him out.

We should remember that it was Hamilton that swerved first in an apparent attempt to intimidate Maldonado.

Given this fact, one could quite easily change a couple of the above words and say…

Hamilton was down right dangerous - he had no idea what Maldonado was going to do yet appeared to try to take him out.

Because that is what happened. Hamilton's initial swerve caused Maldonado to take evasive action, had he not done so, then Hamilton may well of hit him.

Swings and roundabouts...

As DC pointed out, there may be anamosity between the two, but fisticuffs is a much better way than try to cause him to have an accident.

It was stupid of Maldonado to retaliate in the way that he did, but maybe he was just sick of Hamilton's driving etiquette, been taken out in Monaco, almost taken out in Spa, and then have him attempting to intimidate by swerving and waving his hand about like an idiot, perhaps he should've just waited to get back to the pits, drag Hamilton out of his car, and to quote another of DC's quips, "kick three colours of **** out of the little bastard". :D

Hamilton's big problem now of course, is that Vettel is driving with maturity, when he's not winning he's picking up the points, in other words he's being super-quick, super-consistent. Where as Hamilton is crashing into everything that moves, and generally driving like a rookie and that is a very, very big problem for Hamilton at the moment. That said, it's better that he gets it all out of his system before he leaves the dark side. ;)
 
Looks like Heidfeld and Renault came to terms out of court. I'm sure they paid him a good deal of money. I'm a bit mixed on this. I don't think he was driving poorly enough to get the boot, especially since he was doing relatively better than his teammate, and he didn't finish a few races due to mechanical issues. However, I am pleased to see Senna get another shot for the "remainder" of the season. Other drives I think could succeed if given a chance are Hulkenburg and possibly Chandhock.

I'd love to see Nick and Jarno come to the US and race. nascar or indy car...
 
With Monza as the next race, I wonder if Ferrari has any tricks to pull out of their sleeves. Last year, Alonso had a strong race. Still, Vettel has just been so strong all year.
 
With Monza as the next race, I wonder if Ferrari has any tricks to pull out of their sleeves. Last year, Alonso had a strong race. Still, Vettel has just been so strong all year.

Didn't Ferrari say they are already focused on 2012 development.
 

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and the nordschleife can be used for F1 cars ..here a vid from heidfeld driving his F1 BMW on the nordschleife

He did do that yes, but the ride height of the car was significantly high and he was hardly giving it the beans, and lets face it, with the barriers that close, you'd have to be a nut job to go around there flat out, 200mph+ Corners... Will never happen...
 
He did do that yes, but the ride height of the car was significantly high and he was hardly giving it the beans, and lets face it, with the barriers that close, you'd have to be a nut job to go around there flat out, 200mph+ Corners... Will never happen...

Whilst not as fast as an F1 car (and it was driven too and from the UK to the track on the same tyres used for this record run) some people are nut jobs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzxW51EyoWY
 
Whilst not as fast as an F1 car (and it was driven too and from the UK to the track on the same tyres used for this record run) some people are nut jobs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzxW51EyoWY

It's a shame Evo didn't get the run in with the Caparo T1, as that would've taken the record. From what I've read as well, they're considering going after Bellof's outright lap record, which would be incredible for a road car.

An F1 car would do a sub-6 easily.
 
An F1 car would do a sub-6 easily.

Something like a T1 (although perhaps not an actual T1) could actually be faster than a F1 car. The T1 is not built to fit into F1 racing regulations. It can have more downforce and more power if that's what Caparo want.

I absolutely love the way the T1 sounds at high revs. Completely and utterly unlike any normal road car.
 
Something like a T1 (although perhaps not an actual T1) could actually be faster than a F1 car. The T1 is not built to fit into F1 racing regulations. It can have more downforce and more power if that's what Caparo want.

Indeed, one suspects it's no coincidence that when given a free rein to design the absolute ultimate track car, Adrian Newey's Red Bull X2010 Concept looks not unlike the T1. :D
 
Indeed, one suspects it's no coincidence that when given a free rein to design the absolute ultimate track car, Adrian Newey's Red Bull X2010 Concept looks not unlike the T1. :D

Indeed the X2010 (or X1 as it used to be called) is the sort of thing I was thinking of (if it was real, not just a VR construct). It looks like a flattened, more extreme T1

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It has even fewer constraints than the T1 (ignoring the fact they didn't actually have to build one): it does not have to be road legal so it can be lower, wider and doesn't have to worry about pedestrian crash legislation etc. One can only image with the specs how fast it would be: 1483bhp, 545kg.
 
First lap collision aside, the Italian GP was probably one of the best I've seen for a long time - plenty of chances for a lot of overtaking to happen and some great slipstreaming battles.

The high top speeds (slow compared to the V10 era) and different gearing/downforce used by the various cars and teams made things interesting.

Vettel's 327km/h top speed didn't seem so bad at all despite the predictions of everyone rushing past him in a straight line. His car wasn't really much slower than the McLaren duo in a straight line.
 
I'm ready for this season to be over. I'm probably in the minority, but I'm sick of Vettel winning. Aside from him having a good car, I don't feel like he's done much to deserve a second championship. He did have a good pass on Alonso, but did little else.

The Speed commentators this weekend kept talking a lot of about slipstreams and tows, I gather because of the longer straights, yet I had the impression that had a trump on the usual "They're going slower because they are caught up behind somebody and don't have clean air." Why is that? To counter that Vettel opened up a massive gap on Alonso and never looked back (how is that even remotely fun?) with no benefit of drafting. I gather despite the praise clean air is still better.
 
I'm ready for this season to be over. I'm probably in the minority, but I'm sick of Vettel winning. Aside from him having a good car, I don't feel like he's done much to deserve a second championship. He did have a good pass on Alonso, but did little else.

The Speed commentators this weekend kept talking a lot of about slipstreams and tows, I gather because of the longer straights, yet I had the impression that had a trump on the usual "They're going slower because they are caught up behind somebody and don't have clean air." Why is that? To counter that Vettel opened up a massive gap on Alonso and never looked back (how is that even remotely fun?) with no benefit of drafting. I gather despite the praise clean air is still better.

The tow had a lot less effect than many expected as even without it a lot of the cars were hitting the rev limiter on the long straights once some of the fuel had been burnt. So the tow made no difference as they couldn't go faster anyway.
 
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