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2011 Macbook Pro 13.3 Overheating *VIDEO*
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The GPU and CPU are in the same die. Of course you are going to see a higher temp on the 2011. Why can people not grasp this?
When you load these new machines graphically and computationally, both heat generating entities are embedded together. This is just physics, and it's the way Intel designed it to work. In addition to this, Intel has given us turbo. This ensures that we are able to take advantage of all thermal headroom by over clocking the CPU. This will also generate more heat than we have had before, and again it's how Intel designed it.
As much as I love new mbp, and as much as we have all seen heat related issue posts everywhere, I hate the heat mbp gives out.
I hate to stay w/ the heat any long period of time and it really makes me wonder if mbp really is for someone who is doing serious work for long period of time as I cannot imagine anyone enjoying the feel of heat and sweat on the surface of mbp.
How much do I hate the heat? When I find myself I have to fire up a parallel to get some work done for work, I would do it and then shut off the machine till it gets cold.
And I am also seriously reconsidering owning 15 mbp as I realize that most serious work I do , I do it on the desk w/ external monitor hooked up. Most of the time when I want to browse on couch or bed, 15 mbp is proving to be too big and high res is actually producing too small image.
Yes, I do use SMC and yes I know people use external keyboard and mouse but doesn't that defeat the purpose of owning the mbp?
At this point, I am considering selling my mbp and wait for next air.
Man, this world is twisted.
I hate to stay w/ the heat any long period of time and it really makes me wonder if mbp really is for someone who is doing serious work for long period of time as I cannot imagine anyone enjoying the feel of heat and sweat on the surface of mbp.
How much do I hate the heat? When I find myself I have to fire up a parallel to get some work done for work, I would do it and then shut off the machine till it gets cold.
And I am also seriously reconsidering owning 15 mbp as I realize that most serious work I do , I do it on the desk w/ external monitor hooked up. Most of the time when I want to browse on couch or bed, 15 mbp is proving to be too big and high res is actually producing too small image.
Yes, I do use SMC and yes I know people use external keyboard and mouse but doesn't that defeat the purpose of owning the mbp?
At this point, I am considering selling my mbp and wait for next air.
Man, this world is twisted.
I fully grasp what is happening. You should read more before you peopling. I am asking why it is an acceptable practice to build a machine that runs this hot? You find it okay and desirable to have your fan on at 6000 rpm because that's how they built it?
Get in the row with the rest of the ducklings and follow apple around. Others that think on their own will not only understand the problem but will hope for a solution to it as they see more to the situation than just apples behind
Is your computer shutting off because it gets too hot??
No its not, therefore its not over heating.... Noobs these days... sheesh
You may have a booble in the thermal paste of your proccessor. I have had that problem with my older fujitsu laptop, and with a white macbook. Getting warm writting an email is not normal. Replace the computer or replace the thermal paste.
That's odd, because all the reviews I've seen say that the 2011s do as well as the 2010s for battery life under comparable loads.
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I think that you're missing the point. If this was a desktop, then yes, as long as the computer does not shut down, it is ok. But we're talking about a laptop and if it gets too hot to hold on your lap or touch parts of the keyboard, then I am afraid it is a failed product. It may be worth adding that this is a problem that is not solely an Apple one.
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I think that you're missing the point. If this was a desktop, then yes, as long as the computer does not shut down, it is ok. But we're talking about a laptop and if it gets too hot to hold on your lap or touch parts of the keyboard, then I am afraid it is a failed product. It may be worth adding that this is a problem that is not solely an Apple one.
Of course these new chips are going to run hot... Desktops have much better cooling systems than these unibody enclosures.
It's not overheating... The computer shuts down around 105 or so.....
Like was stated above, the cpu and gpu are on the same die.. Of course the temp if going to get high when watching 1080p video.
Whoa, I didn't think I was going to get that many replies. Before I reply to my own thread let me first say that I'm not in the PC camp or Mac camp. It seems nowadays people have a side and you must be part of one. I own Apple products and I also own PC and even Android products too. I love technology and you could say I defend both sides of the fence and also give credit where credit is due. Why, because I can specially when I own products from both sides. Now that I got that out of the way let me say this...
Those saying that "it's because of flash" I think is a ridiculous excuse to justify the heat temperatures. I've used new modern PC laptops with Core i7 Quad Core that never reach 80c under full load. This is using a popular software called Prime95 to stress the computer to the max, something that not even Flash can do.
I have also built many PC's (including Sandy Bridge) and have overclocked them and done major stress tests and none ever reach over 80c. Here is one my one of my recent Hackintosh builds - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ctk-f1qdMs and I will gladly make a video showing temps under full stress. I know some of you will say "Well, that's a Desktop not a laptop" and your absolutely right. However, the Core i7 max temps are 100c before it starts to throttle down.
Can the processor run at 90c or even 99c, sure it can. Will the processor get damaged, probably not. However, your greatly decreasing the longevity of the processor. Instead of lasting say 5 Years, it may only last 2 years instead. Not to mention the OS freezing up, It's like running your car at wide open throttle everytime you drive it, your not going to damage the engine right away, but you are stressing the parts everytime you do that.
I just hope Apple re-designs their Macbook Pro lineup because I truly like their computers and clearly this is a ventilation issue for having a solid bottom piece.
Those saying that "it's because of flash" I think is a ridiculous excuse to justify the heat temperatures. I've used new modern PC laptops with Core i7 Quad Core that never reach 80c under full load. This is using a popular software called Prime95 to stress the computer to the max, something that not even Flash can do.
I have also built many PC's (including Sandy Bridge) and have overclocked them and done major stress tests and none ever reach over 80c. Here is one my one of my recent Hackintosh builds - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ctk-f1qdMs and I will gladly make a video showing temps under full stress. I know some of you will say "Well, that's a Desktop not a laptop" and your absolutely right. However, the Core i7 max temps are 100c before it starts to throttle down.
Can the processor run at 90c or even 99c, sure it can. Will the processor get damaged, probably not. However, your greatly decreasing the longevity of the processor. Instead of lasting say 5 Years, it may only last 2 years instead. Not to mention the OS freezing up, It's like running your car at wide open throttle everytime you drive it, your not going to damage the engine right away, but you are stressing the parts everytime you do that.
I just hope Apple re-designs their Macbook Pro lineup because I truly like their computers and clearly this is a ventilation issue for having a solid bottom piece.
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Buddy, my computer is freezing. I'm far from a "noob" and running a processor at 5c distance to TJ Max is not acceptable regardless of what you think or Apple wants you to believe.
Again, you're missing the point. The CPU may be operating below shut-down temperature, however, for a laptop to get so hot, whilst you perform fairly normal tasks, that you cannot touch the top left corner of your keyboard is ridiculous and is poor design. This isn't rocket science to understand, surely?
Finally someone gets it, I'm not trying to be a little Bitch. But it's quiet annoying when I'm typing an E-mail and the palms of my hands are so freaking warm that I have to stop what I am doing because the metal is hot, it's very annoying.
Clearly this is an issue that even Apple is aware of, the fact that they have disabled Turbo Boost while running under boot camp solidifies the problem. I ran CPU-Z to double check and it's true, the computer never boosted and kept running at 2.7GHz.
Im not going to comment on system temps or fan rpm's. But I have to point out that in your youtube review, you indicate how small the air vent is. You are incorrect when you talk about how small it is. That is because you CLOSED your macbook before looking at the vent which is not open in the macbook's shut position. If you would have turned your machine around while it was open you would see a much larger fan vent.
the vent CLOSES when you shut the lid.
the vent CLOSES when you shut the lid.
In regards to cooling, the laptop housing itself is designed to dissipate 39-45W TDP (P9600 at 25W and 320M at 14-20W). The Core i7 is only 35W. In terms of the design, it should be able to handle the new processors great.
What we do not know is your ambient temperatures when you were performing this test. Where do you live? What is the normal temperature there?
For future uses, I'd recommend using smcFanControl to slow the buildup of heat. I also recommend Coolbook to reduce voltages within safe limits.
I fully grasp what is happening. You should read more before you peopling. I am asking why it is an acceptable practice to build a machine that runs this hot? You find it okay and desirable to have your fan on at 6000 rpm because that's how they built it?
Get in the row with the rest of the ducklings and follow apple around. Others that think on their own will not only understand the problem but will hope for a solution to it as they see more to the situation than just apples behind
I don't need to read more. I also find my 13" to be completely acceptable. I have no sweaty palms while I type and watch youtube. I have no issues whatsoever with my machine, and it matters little to me what other people are obsessed with.
I read all about the perceived issue before I bought mine, and I checked it thoroughly so I could return it if needed. I was left wondering what all of the posts were about. It's got nothing to do with your silly notions of ducklings or whatever other insults you need to toss about. It's got only to do with the notebook sitting on my desk. Quite simply put, it only runs fans at high RPM when it's doing things my old notebook could not do under any circumstance. Otherwise it's quiet and pleasant to use.
If you're having problems then talk to Apple, or return it and buy something that works for you. Running around insulting people isn't likely to get you anywhere.
depending on what flash player version you have installed the temperatures will be different. on 10.1 it will be significantly higher, due to much higher cpu usage, than on 10.2 which uses the GPU much more. definitely get 10.2, its a lot better
On another note, 2000rpm is not quick for the fans, thats idling, they go up to 6000!, you temps go high yes, at one point fans kick in and cool it down. Chill down that the thing is overheating. Macbook Pros have bad thermals, soooo, deal with it, thats what i do with my 2010 i7 15", it gets seriously warm sometime, right now 68°, dosnt really bother me as it dosnt effect anything, i sometimes get annoyed at the fans, i solve that my staying on the iGPU.
On another note, 2000rpm is not quick for the fans, thats idling, they go up to 6000!, you temps go high yes, at one point fans kick in and cool it down. Chill down that the thing is overheating. Macbook Pros have bad thermals, soooo, deal with it, thats what i do with my 2010 i7 15", it gets seriously warm sometime, right now 68°, dosnt really bother me as it dosnt effect anything, i sometimes get annoyed at the fans, i solve that my staying on the iGPU.
That has to do with your computer, not Apple.. My computer is fine with the temps at all times. 2011 13 i5
We are not talking about the Core i5 model
The core i5 model runs cooler and actually runs Turbo Boost just fine. If you have been following the whole thread and video I even stated that your better of buying the i5 model since it's technically faster since it actually has turbo boost enabled in boot camp and clocks higher than 2.7GHz.
Ditto
I've had nothing but trouble with THREE MacBook Pros Apple has had to send to me due to various faults. All other problems aside, this temperature issue has affected all of them (it's the one thing I haven't bothered to bring up with them as the other issues were SO much bigger). It's such a strange thing for me, because I was used to relatively low temperatures on the C2D 13" (Mid-2009). Now my Early-2011 i5 13" runs at around 20*C hotter while performing the same tasks. Under no load at all, my MBP2009 sat at around 45. The current MBP sits at around 60-65*C. Like others on this thread, watching a Flash video (not even HD) pushes my temps up to 90*C within about 15 seconds, resulting in the fan being bumped up to 6000RPM. I could probably count on two hands how many times my C2D got up to 90 in the time I had it, and that was usually due to me using it on the bed or something stupid resulting in lack of airflow. However, I've been using this new model on a desk in a cool room with no obstructions and it idles at 60 and jumps to 90-95 while watching a YouTube video. Very strange. Kind of annoying, too, because the fan detracts from things. Oh well..I'm happy to have a fan running full blast as long as my CPU isn't melting.
I've had nothing but trouble with THREE MacBook Pros Apple has had to send to me due to various faults. All other problems aside, this temperature issue has affected all of them (it's the one thing I haven't bothered to bring up with them as the other issues were SO much bigger). It's such a strange thing for me, because I was used to relatively low temperatures on the C2D 13" (Mid-2009). Now my Early-2011 i5 13" runs at around 20*C hotter while performing the same tasks. Under no load at all, my MBP2009 sat at around 45. The current MBP sits at around 60-65*C. Like others on this thread, watching a Flash video (not even HD) pushes my temps up to 90*C within about 15 seconds, resulting in the fan being bumped up to 6000RPM. I could probably count on two hands how many times my C2D got up to 90 in the time I had it, and that was usually due to me using it on the bed or something stupid resulting in lack of airflow. However, I've been using this new model on a desk in a cool room with no obstructions and it idles at 60 and jumps to 90-95 while watching a YouTube video. Very strange. Kind of annoying, too, because the fan detracts from things. Oh well..I'm happy to have a fan running full blast as long as my CPU isn't melting.
I have the i7 as well. Watched your video for the full 9:50 at 720p. I got up to 74C and the fans sped up to 3000 RPM, then settled the temp to around 61C for the remainder. Maybe you got a lemon? I never even heard the fans spin up, I was just watching iStat.