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2011 MacBook Pros Crashing Under Load?

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Common sense to the rescue! He means that, while nvidia had its problems, for the most part their hardware and drivers were good. OpenGL drivers are, as I understand it, harder to make than DirectX drivers.
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There is no harder/easier between DirectX and OpenGL on OS X.

OpenGL on OS X is NOT A DRIVER ONLY DESIGN.

OpenGL on OS X is accelerated within the entire WindowServer and thus via Quartz Extreme all object primitives/window views, etc., are OpenGL accelerated at the same version of the OpenGL Driver.

OpenGL system-wide acceleration is 2.1 for OS X 10.5.

OpenGL system-wide acceleration for OS X 10.6 is nearly 3.x compliant.

Apple is moving to OpenGL 3.x system-wide. [3.1->3.3]

To put this into perspective:

Windows DirectX 11 is not system-wide even on Windows 7 [it's actually DirectX 9.0 for it's Desktop Windows Manager], but only at the device driver level leaving it to the application to leverage DirectX 11 or earlier, down to DirectX 9.0 in Windows 7.

Linux OpenGL Desktop Environments are all OpenGL accelerated at 1.4. Sure, I have OpenGL 4.1 device drivers but the Window Server [Xorg] is pushing out at 1.4.

KDE/Gnome are moving to OpenGL 2.x [actually OpenGL ES 2.0 being a subset] in future versions of KDE/GNOME.

OS X must fall back to OpenGL 2.1 if a GPU doesn't have 3.x support. The same will be true when OS X is OpenGL 4.x accelerated by falling back to the next lowest OpenGL revision supported.

Testing OpenGL system-wide takes a helluva lot more work than writing an OpenGL Device Driver and leaving it up to each app vendor to leverage OpenGL directly via their needs.

Apple making the entire system OpenGL ready means the 3rd party vendor's codeing footprint drops dramatically.

Now that Apple has the iOS Platform, its only expanded it's OpenGL footprint to this platform to design, develop and test with each revision of the OS.
 
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macduke said:
TomCondon said:
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Can anyone tell me what a Thunderbook is?
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AFAIK, it's a term that was coined by me right after the new Macbook Pros were released with Thunderbolt ports (see my sig). It was the name that immediately came to my mind when I first saw the spy shots of the Thunderbolt logo. But I didn't post about it until the day after launch. I did a search for ThunderBook, and my post naming my machine was the earliest result:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/11998160/

McGrol said:
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Thunderbook = Thunderbolt + MacBook(Pro).

At least, that's how I interpret it..
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As the creator of this term I must say that your interpretation is correct! But the B should be capitalized. :p

ThunderBook Pro sounded too clunky to me, so I kept it short and sweet. Plus with the quad-core blazing fast processors, I felt like simply calling it a MacBook Pro wouldn't do! So the speed also factored into the equation.

I've seen a few other people around here use the term, so hopefully it becomes popular! I think it's catchy anyway.
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ThunderBook it is
 
No question....heat

Exactly what the new 2011 MBPs are experiencing is what I experienced multiple times on my 2007 iMac 2.4 a few years back while playing in new content areas of WoW - Burning Crusade.

The problem is related to the GPU that is running entirely too hot. The Radeon Mobility HD 2600 in my iMac would "lock up" in certain circumstances when there was high demand of the GPU. When the unit "locks up", the screen freezes, music still plays, background services are still available, but you cannot do anything but watch your cursor move around the screen.

I ended up installing SMC fan control for a quick fix, but eventually tore down the iMac and replaced the thermal paste on the CPU/GPU with Arctic Silver when I upgraded the hard drive to a 1TB WD Caviar Black.

Haven't had a problem since! With all the thermal paste iFixit discovered, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it was acting more like an insulator around the GPU die.
 
I have had this problem since I got it, my 14 days is coming to an end tomorrow so spoke to Applecare this morning and they were more than willing to offer me a refund/replacement.

They've had an internal mail regarding the issue so they are very much aware of the situation.
 
i would be some kind of interessing which temperatures u got in your room when this prob occurs, just to see if the ones of us not having the problem yet will be facing it in summer ?
 
macsrcool1234 said:
My custom built Windows 7 rig can run circles around all your macs. Virus/problem free.

Oh yeah, it doesn't crash under load either ;).
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It can’t get more pathetic than that. So your rig is 1 inch thin then? Portable with 7 h battery?
 
odedia said:
This has nothing to do with graphics drivers, it has everything to do with build quality and using way too much thermal paste on the CPUs/GPUs, which spikes the tempertures to impossible levels, causing the CPU to stop working in order to protect itself.

I really wanted one of these machines, but I can't possibly buy one if the build quality is so poor.
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Wrong. The CPU still works when this happens. You can ssh in and run commands.
 
This is exactly why I never buy "Rev A" machines.

Oh wait, this MBP design has been around for a few years and this isn't the first i5 or i7 to be slapped into a MBP either. Guess we'll just have to blame Thunderbolt then.

This is a perfect example of why the "never by a Rev A" machine is an archaic practice that is irrelevant in 2011. With very nature of technological advances today every new model is going to be reengineered in some way making every new model a "Rev A". So if you never want to buy another machine stick w/ the "never by a Rev A" philosophy.

FWIW I have an '11 MBP 13" i5. No major prob but FireFox 3 often causes the graphics to break up. Doesn't happen in any other program. I upgraded to the Firefox 4 RC and no prob there. My previous MBP 13" C2D had no prob, so I blame the Intel graphics. We can all agree Intel graphics are horrible.
 
Yeah, but there are bound to be revisions/adjustments to the product within the lifecycle of a model. Right? At least if the first batch is found to be faulty.
 
I was going to purchase my first MBP.

Though it seems I may be better off waiting till next year when they revert back to Nvidia.

These problems are prominent with ATI Cards. It's a shame though as they can really be powerful (just a bit unstable).

No doubt Apple will still try and correct this with a firmware update, the effectiveness of which will only be seen in a few months.
 
ksgant said:
I know! And I can't believe that I can't put OS X Snow Leopard on my original Mac 128! Way to support your products Apple. Sheesh. You know how much I paid for that thing? And I can't even put the latest OS on it! That's a bunch of BS.
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What are you even talking about?? :confused:
His point was that Apple DID make iOS 4.0 available on the iPhone 3G, only it ran like crap, making the phone almost unusable for many people with no way of downgrading.

Apple is not perfect. They screw up often enough, just like the competition.. But at least they make innovative products and usually have good customer service.
 
A simple update should fix the problem, apple should have one out in a couple days if enough people call them.
 
Mid 2009 Macbook Pro Freezes

Hello,

I'm having freezing issues with my Macbook Pro Mid 2009 model. I think it started after the 10.6.3 update. The screen randomly starts to flicker and the mouse pointer moves and I can hear the music, but cannot click on anything.

Here's a video of the issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvKM7Pt02ro

I've seen a lot of people complaining about the same issue on Apple Forums.
 
odedia said:
This has nothing to do with graphics drivers, it has everything to do with build quality and using way too much thermal paste on the CPUs/GPUs, which spikes the tempertures to impossible levels, causing the CPU to stop working in order to protect itself.

I really wanted one of these machines, but I can't possibly buy one if the build quality is so poor.
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Have you cracked open a laptop from Dell, HP or IBM in the last decade?

Crappy thermal paste application is par for the course for high-volume laptop companies. Apple doesn't deserve a pass on it, but they are certainly not the exception here. And the issues seem to be occurring at zero load and not at all (or less) under Boot Camp.
 
Pojo458 said:
A simple update should fix the problem, apple should have one out in a couple days if enough people call them.
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I dunno about that. This sounds like a build quality problem. If Apple releases a firmware update to address the issue, they'll have to nerf the performance on the ATI video card. Unacceptable.
 
iMouse said:
I dunno about that. This sounds like a build quality problem. If Apple releases a firmware update to address the issue, they'll have to nerf the performance on the ATI video card. Unacceptable.
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It doesn't sound at all like a build quality issue.
 
The freeze can't be reproduced in Windows so how can this be about build quality?
Right, It can't. It's software one way or another.
 
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