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2011: The year Apple gave up.
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And how many years/generations did Apple stick with the aluminum design in the first picture, first from the PowerPC days through the Intel transition. Are you actually advocating that Apple spend engineering resources to make alterations to the enclosure every year/generation just so that hey can tell customers it's a "new" model like cars? Part of maintaining a distinctive brand is to maintain a distinctive look, rapid enclosure changes in no way helps Apple.Seeing the highly anticipated but actually underwhelming and forgettable "upgrade" to the Macbook Pro line signals the end of Apple's innovation and ingenuity. Seems to me like they have given up on building the greatest ever product with every upgrade and are following the usual "incremental" upgrade paths that most other boring computer companies go with.
Really Apple?
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Have we really run out of ideas to the point that we're just updating token hardware without any real innovation?
Has anything really changed since 2008 beside some hardware upgrades and the occasional modification of the location of some slots.
No, not really. Looks like we're stuck in time.
What's it going to take for Apple before we succumb to hubris entirely?
you don't understand the whole picture it's not and upgrade like you see in some of those low-end laptops. apple focuses more in user-friendlyness and design.
Uh huh...
I just got the new 15", with the 6750m and upgraded the unit with 8gb memory, plus I am going to put the SSD in it this week, though I am undecided on which one to get.
Look, you can say what you will about design, and how Apple fell on their face, but the fact is, they didn't.
This machine simply ***** on the Macbook Pro 2010 I bought on February 4, then returned to get this. It isn't even a contest as to the difference year-over-year.
So, if by giving up you mean benchtest scores that double the performance of last year, while smoking any other laptop out there, then I hope Apple is screaming 'Uncle'.
Plus, the Thunderbolt is really, REALLY badass for me as a photographer to show people pictures at their home, on their HDTV. With the adapter, I am suddenly able to not only show them pictures, but to not have them worry about seeing my applications on screen. Using the 2nd monitor, the unit has helped already when dealing with photos.
Did you even buy one?
I just got the new 15", with the 6750m and upgraded the unit with 8gb memory, plus I am going to put the SSD in it this week, though I am undecided on which one to get.
Look, you can say what you will about design, and how Apple fell on their face, but the fact is, they didn't.
This machine simply ***** on the Macbook Pro 2010 I bought on February 4, then returned to get this. It isn't even a contest as to the difference year-over-year.
So, if by giving up you mean benchtest scores that double the performance of last year, while smoking any other laptop out there, then I hope Apple is screaming 'Uncle'.
Plus, the Thunderbolt is really, REALLY badass for me as a photographer to show people pictures at their home, on their HDTV. With the adapter, I am suddenly able to not only show them pictures, but to not have them worry about seeing my applications on screen. Using the 2nd monitor, the unit has helped already when dealing with photos.
Did you even buy one?
Yes, I am a little peeved. After waiting for years of a good upgrade we keep getting the same run around. And not it's not just about the form factor or the case, it's about having a great, new, notebook. Why does Apple give up on using new technology? Where's BluRay? Where's USB 3.0? Where's SSD as standard? It's all the same, just a minor upgrade to the CPU that you won't hardly notice and ATI Graphics which are worse than NVidia. The saddest part is that the 13 inch now has Integrated Graphics. Lol, I should just buy an ASUS now right?
So you'd prefer ports that are a quarter of the speed of Tb? And you won't notice a 50% speed improvement?
Steve Jobs' already explained his reasoning on BluRay and while I don't exactly agree it is a valid reason.
USB3.0, in which Intel is the lead developer, isn't even incorporated natively on Intel's own chipsets. Instead Intel is pushing an even faster Thunderbolt standard that Apple is the first to adopt. I don't see the complaint in not adopting new technology here. In this case, Apple chose to adopt an even newer technology.
SSD still has cost and capacity issues, which if Apple made 128GB and 256GB SSDs standard a group of users will be happy about the speed and many others will be complaining about increased cost and capacity. Dedicated SSD boot drives add complexity both in terms of hardware and OS install, so I can see why Apple would be reluctant to jump on it.
Besides, before Apple made SSD all the rage with the MacBook Air, the biggest complaint on the MacBook Pro was lack of quad cores and the 13.3" model being stuck on the Core 2 Duo. Now Apple addresses this and suddenly it's a "minor" upgrade. Clearly, Apple's marketing team is way too effective in manipulating public opinion.
Have there been benchmarks showing the HD 6750 being worse than the GT330M in games? I doubt it. If I'm not mistaken the memory bandwidth has jumped 60% from 32GB/s in the GT330M (1000MHz GDDR3) to 51.2GB/s in the HD 6750 (800MHz GDDR5) which is a huge increase for 1 generation.
http://www.techyalert.com/2011/02/25/macbook-pro-2010-vs-macbook-pro-2011/
And actual gaming benchmarks shows that new MacBook Pro with HD 3000 is actually faster than the previous 320M MacBook Pro in OS X. Yes, the 320M performs even better in Windows, but OS X is what Apple cares about, and you can argue about theoretical comparisons with equal CPU power, but when a user picks up a new 13.3" MacBook Pro in OS X, it will be faster than the old model, even in games, so that is a leg up for the overall system considering the significant jump in CPU power.
And seeing Apple's continued marketshare growth, I don't think they'd particularly care if a few users defect to ASUS from being up at arms over Blu-ray and USB 3.0.
Only a fool would think that.
Has Apple closed its doors and shut down as a company? No.
You think of evolution limited within a product. Apple thinks of evolution in terms of life, unlimited by product, i.e. OS X, iPad, MBA, iOS, etc. Nobody knows what devices Apple will give us tomorrow, but fear not, as they are ahead of the competition, and far, far ahead of you and your tiny little brain.
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Here is my previous post in case he/she missed it:
Your initial thread was whining about the external design, and now you start whining about other things. Let it go dude. Just buy that Asus and stick an Apple sticker on the lid if that would really satisfy you.
So you think Apple is just a hardware company and that specs on paper are the holy grail?
Ignorance is bliss.
Now go buy a PC.
Oh my god... Do you not know that thunderbolt is more than TWICE AS FAST as USB3? And Core2Duo to i7 is a pretty major upgrade in my opinion!
Really, does the 13" have integrated graphics? I thought they always had integrated graphics...
go ASUS
I'm sure it plows the new MBP, you'll have all the goodies you asked for plus a superior design. Wow, I love Apple as much as the other guy but the sheer level of blind fanboyishness is remarkable. In this upgrade you received:
"integrated graphics" that are downgrade from last gen and use more battery
"token" processor upgrade that you won't notice in most models
downgrade from NVidia Gfx to POS ATI
"revolutionary" lightingbolt slot that you'll never use
everything else is the same as last gen
And you lap it up and call me a troll? Give me a break.
*real Apple fan*
"integrated graphics" that are downgrade from last gen and use more battery
"token" processor upgrade that you won't notice in most models
downgrade from NVidia Gfx to POS ATI
"revolutionary" lightingbolt slot that you'll never use
everything else is the same as last gen
And you lap it up and call me a troll? Give me a break.
*real Apple fan*
Wow, I love Apple as much as the other guy but the sheer level of blind fanboyishness is remarkable. In this upgrade you received:
"integrated graphics" that are downgrade from last gen and use more battery
"token" processor upgrade that you won't notice in most models
downgrade from NVidia Gfx to POS ATI
"revolutionary" lightingbolt slot that you'll never use
everything else is the same as last gen
And you lap it up and call me a troll? Give me a break.
*real Apple fan*
Wake me up when you know something. Until then, I'm just going to laugh at your incredible ignorance. *yawn*
I sorta agree with you on the TB - However as it seems useless now it will be helpful to have it down the track when it catches on...
Dunno much about graphics chips, so I don't have an opinion on that...
i5 and i7 are definitely MUCH better than core2duo!
You may say thunderbolt is useless now but I am glad I am going to have it for the future. I am sad that my 6 month old imac doesn't have it since i use an external for backups and time machine it would be great to have thunderbolt for that. give it one year when there are lots of thunderbolt products anyone that bought a new MBP will be happy they had it even though they needed to wait to use it. If apple waited for everyone else to implement technology they would not be revolutionary. Apple did this with firewire and now they are leading the way with thunderbolt.Wow, I love Apple as much as the other guy but the sheer level of blind fanboyishness is remarkable. In this upgrade you received:
"integrated graphics" that are downgrade from last gen and use more battery
"token" processor upgrade that you won't notice in most models
downgrade from NVidia Gfx to POS ATI
"revolutionary" lightingbolt slot that you'll never use
everything else is the same as last gen
And you lap it up and call me a troll? Give me a break.
*real Apple fan*
even the pre-unibody macbooks, compared to current best pc's (eg envy) have a far superior build and design.
seeing as the pc industry is struggling to keep up with a 3 year old mac design, I dont really blame Apple for not updating the unibodies yet..
seeing as the pc industry is struggling to keep up with a 3 year old mac design, I dont really blame Apple for not updating the unibodies yet..
Thanks! You stole the words from my fingertips.
I have reviewed over 100 notebooks. The new 'better' 15" is the best one I have ever tried.
It's sad that the base 15" does not have a 512 MB 6750M.
I have a Mac Pro and a Macbook Pro. I do need a laptop that has, ideally, 16 Gb of RAM.
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yeah, performance wise the new MBP sure stayed the same..
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yeah, performance wise the new MBP sure stayed the same..