2012-2013 NFL Football Thread

[Queen of Spades]

Hey send Tebow or Sanchez over to Niners as the rest of our team is filled out nicely! If we had a Tebow, Sanchez, Rivers, Ryan, or Romo, we could be a dynasty again like our '81-'98 seasons.

I'm going to assume your Thanksgiving libations have begun early.

I've had this discussion with other Jets fans - I'm perfectly fine if they don't win another game (of course when you root for them to lose, they end up beating the Rams. ). My worry, though, is that Tannenbaum and company haven't made good drafting decisions (among other decisons they've made) - they would definitely find a way to screw it up. Tannenbaum deserves to be fired, so hopefully they'll have a new regime going into the draft next year - but with the Jets you never know.

Sanchez has been bad and I'm perfectly willing to admit that. He never deserved an extension (I do think that was more of reworking his contract) and it's laughable that they went out and found the only QB worse than he was and traded for him. And for what? He has been a non-issue on the field and a distraction everywhere else.

And as bigjnyc said, he also hasn't been given much help. His wideouts are awful - bad routes, bad drops (coughStephenHillcough). He's never been an accurate QB, but bad targets, a bad running game, and Tim Tebow breathing down his neck are a recipe for disaster.

And win or lose, they are absolutely painful to watch. Just another season in the life of a Jets fan. *sigh*

Maybe then the QB solution would be in free agency, and use the top pick on a wideout or RB or impact offensive player. Either way, I'm staunchly against moral victories. Which is obviously not always popular, but F that.

And you're right, it's not just Tebow, everyone has underperformed. What's the sense on Tannebaum? Is he safe or could he get the axe this offseason? From the outside, it seems like Rex's job is safe, though I could be wrong on that.

Either way, I'm sorry, no one deserves the hot mess that's going on with the Jets. At least you have the Yankees and Knicks. And anyway, these things are cyclical.

 

[63dot]

LOL! sure just send us Kapernik, I'd take him over the Sanchbow mess we have going on any day.

Sanchez is in a rut, right? At least he had some great times and with us I think he could shine.

Alex Smith is a good clock controller but we can't really be who we are without big arms like you guys. We have waited for Smith to be the big play qb like a Montana or Young, and while he is careful to keep the ball, we have to rely only on our defense. We can't continue to be one dimensional and expect to get through the postseason. We can hope that a backup could emerge into our next franchise qb but I doubt he's there now. We have a good team but unless we do something with our offense, we are in trouble and that's not reflected in our win-loss record. Maybe Smith will bloom later after flying low on the radar and surprise us all the way Jim Plunkett did in the bay area winning the first of his two Raider championships at 33. I just don't have the patience to have a team with such a strong defense have to settle with Smith as our qb and I hope we get somebody like half the league already has.

Smith, before his injury, was finally having a season that was starting to look great. His backup won yesterday and that's good but if he stays in, he has a lot to prove. I have not given up on the Niners for this season yet, but we are not in the best possible place as so many other teams are clicking now at the right time. I do also feel for those others who have lost their starting qb and sometimes losing just that player is all it takes for the team to be rendered inoperable. It isn't always the qb either as I am sure the Pats are kind of worried, too:

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...wski-loss-comes-bad-time-new-england-patriots

 

[Moyank24]

And you're right, it's not just Tebow, everyone has underperformed. What's the sense on Tannebaum? Is he safe or could he get the axe this offseason? From the outside, it seems like Rex's job is safe, though I could be wrong on that.

Everyone seems to think Tannenbaum will be gone at the end of the season, barring some kind of miracle run that puts them into the playoffs. Then again, "everyone" also thought that Tim Tebow would end up in Jacksonville.

Rex's job should be safe, IMO. He's a clown, but when he had the talent he did bring the team to 2 straight AFC Championship games. And he really hasn't been given much to work with.

 

[panda bear]

Hey send Tebow or Sanchez over to Niners as the rest of our team is filled out nicely! If we had a Tebow, Sanchez, Rivers, Ryan, or Romo, we could be a dynasty again like our '81-'98 seasons, when we put the world on notice with the catch by Clark all the way up to the catch II taking down the Packers in Young's last season.

Wait, what? You'd rather have Sanchez or Romo over Alex Smith?

Those guys are superstars only by name, not by skill. They have their good moments, of course, but I would NEVER put enough confidence in them to win the important games in order to get to the super bowl.

Alex Smith may not be a super star, but he won't turn the ball over as much as those guys will and that is much more important than being a superstar QB.

As far as Tebow in NY.. he hasn't even been giving a chance. You can't throw a guy in for a couple plays against guys who are into the game and expect him to be magical. I'd take Tebow over Sanchez any day of the week and i'm not one of those delusional Tebow fans who thinks he's actually a good QB (talent wise).

 

[63dot]

Wait, what? You'd rather have Sanchez or Romo over Alex Smith?

Those guys are superstars only by name, not by skill. They have their good moments, of course, but I would NEVER put enough confidence in them to win the important games in order to get to the super bowl.

Alex Smith may not be a super star, but he won't turn the ball over as much as those guys will and that is much more important than being a superstar QB.

As far as Tebow in NY.. he hasn't even been giving a chance. You can't throw a guy in for a couple plays against guys who are into the game and expect him to be magical. I'd take Tebow over Sanchez any day of the week and i'm not one of those delusional Tebow fans who thinks he's actually a good QB (talent wise).

There's definitely something to be said for a good ball manager. In the end, it's an entire team who wins championships and never just one star. We will see if he continues to mature and just get a few more completions and yards.

When he first came on, there were huge expectations of him but a great college player does not always translate into a great pro player, or even a mediocre pro player.

 

[panda bear]

There's definitely something to be said for a good ball manager. In the end, it's an entire team who wins championships and never just one star. We will see if he continues to mature and just get a few more completions and yards.

When he first came on, there were huge expectations of him but a great college player does not always translate into a great pro player, or even a mediocre pro player.

You can't expect Brees, Brady and Rodgers numbers from him, when he's throwing 100+ times less than those guys.

 

[63dot]

You can't expect Brees, Brady and Rodgers numbers from him, when he's throwing 100+ times less than those guys.

True, I would say it's hard to really judge Smith's legacy. His numbers aren't such that he's absolutely guaranteed the starter spot. We may actually have a quarterback controversy here, again but disruption at this point in the season is not good being two games behind the NFC's leader.

 

[panda bear]

True, I would say it's hard to really judge Smith's legacy. His numbers aren't such that he's absolutely guaranteed the starter spot. We may actually have a quarterback controversy here, again but disruption at this point in the season is not good being two games behind the NFC's leader.

He had one of the highest QB ratings last year.

I mean, I realize Kaepernick had a good week last week and they probably want to see if it's just a one week thing or if he's actually good, but I don't like the idea of sitting a QB who has led your team this far just because someone had a good week.

Granted, it was against the Bears, who have an amazing D.. they are in a sticky situation. With Alex Smith being injured still, even a little bit, they can just say they want to give him time to heal up and give Kaepernick another chance against New Orleans, which should seem like a cake walk, compared to the Bears.

 

[ucfgrad93]

Holy crap! Detroit just got royally screwed!

 

[jsolares]

Holy crap! Detroit just got royally screwed!

It was his own fault, those plays are automatically reviewed, but if a coach throws the challenge flag it's not reviewed and theres the penalty afterwards.

 

[ucfgrad93]

It was his own fault, those plays are automatically reviewed, but if a coach throws the challenge flag it's not reviewed and theres the penalty afterwards.

How in the world could the refs not see an elbow and knee that hit the ground and let the play continue? Are the replacement refs back?

 

[jsolares]

I know, but there is no way that touchdown should have stood.

It wouldn't have, it's not the first time it's happened this season though, what i want to know is how Houston got the ball back, espn went to ads after the PAT, when it came back houston was already going back at it again.

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How in the world could the refs not see an elbow and knee that hit the ground and let the play continue? Are the replacement refs back?

There aren't enough refs to cover every angle on every play, and the detroit player was obscuring the view of the only ref close, that's why you have reviews

 

[fox10078]

These announcers are the biggest homers ever.

 

[jsolares]

Totally undeserved win by Houston, and that "vaunted" D gave up another 500yds

 

[63dot]

How in the world could the refs not see an elbow and knee that hit the ground and let the play continue? Are the replacement refs back?

I knew something like this would eventually happen. It goes to show that even the regular refs are not perfect and in this case made as bad a call as the replacement refs did earlier in the season.

The NFL came up with a legit explanation of the bad replacement ref call with Green Bay, and they also put forth an explanation of today's controversial call. All in all, something just doesn't come across that well and the commentators were appalled. They called it punitive and that is an understatement.

 

[ucfgrad93]

I knew something like this would eventually happen. It goes to show that even the regular refs are not perfect and in this case made as bad a call as the replacement refs did earlier in the season.

The NFL came up with a legit explanation of the bad replacement ref call with Green Bay, and they also put forth an explanation of today's controversial call. All in all, something just doesn't come across that well and the commentators were appalled. They called it punitive and that is an understatement.

And just like in the Seattle/Green Bay game it cost a team a win.

 

[MacDawg]

Falcons and Mike Smith got jobbed last week by the same silly rule that bit the Lions yesterday

Hopefully the NFL reviews the rule in the off season and makes some changes
Yes, it is the rule, but clearly that rule is indefensible

 

[Moyank24]

Falcons and Mike Smith got jobbed last week by the same silly rule that bit the Lions yesterday

Hopefully the NFL reviews the rule in the off season and makes some changes
Yes, it is the rule, but clearly that rule is indefensible

I also think it's a ridiculous rule - and I can imagine they will do something to make a change to it next season. However, as a head football coach in the NFL, Jim Schwartz (and Mike Smith) should probably know the consequences - they are paid to know better, no matter how unfair the rule is.

 

[Huntn]

Got a huge treat yesterday seeing the Cowboys have their buttocks whupped by the Skins in their own Cowboy Stadium! (I grew up in DC- questions? )

 

[MacDawg]

I also think it's a ridiculous rule - and I can imagine they will do something to make a change to it next season. However, as a head football coach in the NFL, Jim Schwartz (and Mike Smith) should probably know the consequences - they are paid to know better, no matter how unfair the rule is.

If you ask them in a press conference, they probably know the rule in their head
But in the heat of battle, the rule goes so contrary to everything you feel and the spirit of the game that the red flag is tossed before your brain can process the consequences

It is a totally non-intuitive rule and is a double whammy
Not only do you get penalized 15 yards, but the play isn't reviewed, even though it should be

I have never seen a more inappropriate rule

 

[bigjnyc]

no words.......

 

[Moyank24]

If you ask them in a press conference, they probably know the rule in their head
But in the heat of battle, the rule goes so contrary to everything you feel and the spirit of the game that the red flag is tossed before your brain can process the consequences

It is a totally non-intuitive rule and is a double whammy
Not only do you get penalized 15 yards, but the play isn't reviewed, even though it should be

I have never seen a more inappropriate rule

I completely agree. And however ridiculous and non-intuitive it is, they should know the rule - or at the very least they should have people working for them who know to tell them not to throw the flag. They are paid a lot of money to know the rules, and to know they shouldn't be making "emotional" decisions.

*I'll also note that I live in Houston and I'm a Texans season tickets holder*

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no words.......

How about for this?

 

[ucfgrad93]

If you ask them in a press conference, they probably know the rule in their head
But in the heat of battle, the rule goes so contrary to everything you feel and the spirit of the game that the red flag is tossed before your brain can process the consequences

It is a totally non-intuitive rule and is a double whammy
Not only do you get penalized 15 yards, but the play isn't reviewed, even though it should be

I have never seen a more inappropriate rule

Agreed. I don't have a problem with penalizing them for throwing the challenge flag on a play that can't be reviewed. But for that penalty to disallow or prevent a review is beyond ridiculous.

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How about for this?

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Oh man, my entire family was laughing so hard! Sanchez looked like a total buffoon on that play.

 

[bigjnyc]

How about for this?

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The 2012 New York Jets ladies and gentleman.

 

[63dot]

If you ask them in a press conference, they probably know the rule in their head
But in the heat of battle, the rule goes so contrary to everything you feel and the spirit of the game that the red flag is tossed before your brain can process the consequences

It is a totally non-intuitive rule and is a double whammy
Not only do you get penalized 15 yards, but the play isn't reviewed, even though it should be

I have never seen a more inappropriate rule

So true. Not only was this year marred by the replacement refs and their seemingly bad calls, the full on NFL with their "rules" and regular refs found a way to make this season even more of a joke by going one up on them! When this is all over, we will likely forget how good or bad the refs and replacement refs were in 2012-2013 but see this as the year they had this stupid rule change the course of some games (a rule which will probably get tossed beginning next season). The NFL is the joke here.

In all the years I have followed football, I have never seen anything so unfair, and yes, totally not in the spirit of the game. The stupidity of it is beyond comprehension.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...Schwartz-Justin-Forsett-bizarre-ruling-112212