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There's a title for "choking"?
Who knew. Anyway, I'm waiting until Gisele tells me who's to blame for yesterdays loss.
I'm going to be perfectly honest, I can't say Manning choked. Not even a little bit. When you put up 3 TD's and special teams add another 2 and your team still can't win? That's all on the defense who were top 5 in PPG and YPG. Someone will bring up that INT at the end of the game which basically lost Denver the game. I don't care who you are, Manning, Brady, Rodgers. When you keep throwing, it's only a matter of time before something bad is going to happen. You don't expect it to because of the player playing QB. Take last night as another example. Tom Brady has thrown how many INT's all season? Less than 10? You don't expect Brady to throw 2 like he did last night but when you have to keep throwing the ball, those INT are eventually going to come.
If there was no sudden death rule and teams just played until 0:00, Manning could've thrown 2 more TD's and I guarantee you it still wouldn't be enough. I probably would label him a choker if he didn't do enough but 3 TD's is more than enough with that Broncos team.
We get it, you hate the Patriots (so do I) but where does your anger come from? And at QoS?
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I'm pulling for Baltimore. Hopefully them winning will give Flacco the credit he deserves as a good post-season QB. It would also be nice for Lewis to go out with another ring.
TBH it's not that far fetched, for the past 8 years he has given you guys great statistical seasons but no SB. just like Peyton did before he won it.
You're too focused on what he did when he won 3 of 4, and he's (63dot) too focused on the past 8 years.
I wouldn't put it all on brady though, NE went from being decent O with a good to great D to being a great O with bad to decent D like Peyton's Colts of old.
It kind of reminds me when NE beat the Rams, but now the Ravens did it to NE, NE was the one with the finesse offense and the Ravens with the brutally physically D, some of those drops by NE were caused by the receivers seemingly anxious from where the next big hit was coming.
NE seems to me it needs more physical receivers to go with welker and hernandez, i think with the gronk they might've pulled it off.
I am not saying the argument can't be made that he's not what he was, but I think the Tony Romo/Philip Rivers comparison is a huge stretch. Romo and Rivers don't even get their teams into the playoffs. They don't win their divisons. Philip Rivers causes so many turnovers he loses games all by himself.
If you think Brady's been a subpar playoff QB (which I'd probably argue with), fine, but New England has won their divison 10 out of his 12 years as a starting QB, and one of those years was when he was out with an ACL injury. They've been conference champions 5 times out of those 12 years. I mean, sure, you can focus on the playoff losses, but there's also been remarkable consistency. Would any rational fan rather have Tony Romo, Philip Rivers, or Tom Brady?
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Very much agree. When Talib went down, I knew we were in trouble. Defense wins championships, and ours has been a range of bad to mediocre to passable. That said, Brady did not have a good game by any stretch of the idea. The offense was out of sync, and the Ravens just played better all over the field.
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From your computer to the organizations ears! Good analysis, though.
There's a title for "choking"?
it was welker.. again.
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i don't think manning choked either. i think coach fox choked.
30 seconds left in regulation and you don't try to get in position for a FG? whaaaa...?
on an aside. i never thought that manning looked that sharp this season to begin with. he did have some good games i know. but he definitely wasn't his old self.
now i'm hearing he was experiencing numbness in his hands... maybe it was the cold or maybe it was his neck/spine... anyone else got a line on this?
I didn't say Tom Brady (over whole career) is like them.
I meant Rivers, Romo, and Brady all have excellent career quarterback ratings in mid-90s, and these days, or at least since 2007, Brady is like them in that he can't seal the deal or close out the big games. Remember that Brady in 01-02/03-04/04-05 got three Super Bowl rings so it's in that specific context.
But overall, from 2000, Brady has three rings and Rivers and Romo don't have any and in that way he is different than them.
Sorry, I should have clarified it better, and I should have let everyone know I was talking about Brady 2007-present with no rings but with high quarterback rating is like Rivers and Romo with high quarterback ratings and no rings.
Virtually nobody has had a better overall career than the man but his last six years have not been as successful in total outcome as his first seven years signed with NFL.
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That's what I also thought. Manning is one of the few guys who can get the ball down the field really far in a quick drive. Few, except for guys like Elway, Kelly, and Brady, have that type of speed. It could have worked for the Broncos but at least was worth a try.
I agree with that.
I think it's hard for Pats fans to see their team win like they used to, have the same coach, but then have the same outcome as that pre-ring Peyton, the man who many previously mentioned as the one choking the big ones.
With all of what Brady did that was great, and I have outlined it better than most and more frequently, it's hard to lose twice to an NFC team most will agree was not the best going into the Super Bowl, and then lose yesterday's game and lose the first home Pats game (where the Pats had the lead at the half) for the first time in 70 home games. That's a choke beyond almost any. My team, 49ers, had a 13 win season, saw the tougher teams fall in postseason, and then basically beat themselves to let the Giants win the NFC crown. That was a huge choke and Niners blew it. Period.
If the Jets fans (one or two here) who want to hate on the Pats get joy, like others here have said, that's OK but it's not right to personally attack QofS or zioxide. But I do see where bigjimnyc is frustrated in where others are more than ready to admit shortcomings of their own teams, no Pats fan I have seen here over the years are willing to admit any shortcomings.
I am not saying Brady is evil or a lawbreaker or bad role model, but simply that he can't finish big games with a similar outcome to what he has done in his past. If I said that about any other QB or key player, fans of those teams would agree but maybe be hurt, but when I say something true about Brady and it's not vintage Super Bowl winning Brady, then Pats fans go ballistic. I can't think of any other fans of any other team who is willing to put the blame on somebody else and not own up to losing a game. When the rest of us lose, we lose but when the Pats fan loses, they really didn't lose because Tom Brady walks on water and will play for 100 years. They remind me of the jihad.
There are no other fans in football as cocksure as Pats fans and blind to bad games. It's always the bad calls, the weather, or the other fans. In their eyes, the Pats could do no wrong.
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I think that was the turning point in the game.
Agreed. You spent $96 million to get a 4 time MVP and then you don't let him try and win the game? I was at the game, and the fans were like WTF?
If you are talking about the Broncos/Ravens game, it was extremely cold. The temp at kickoff was 13, by the end of the game it was in the single digits with a windchill below 0. I was there, and I felt it was colder than when I go snowboarding in the mountains.
So your argument is that since 2007 Tom Brady is comparable to Rivers and Romo? Am I understanding you correctly? I don't need another full explanation, just a simple yes or no will suffice, just trying to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you before I respond.
That was a head scratcher for sure. And there's nothing worse than losing with a "what if." But Manning likely has a couple more productive years, so they'll be right in it again next year. The Manning chokes thing is a bit ridiculous, in my opinion. It's a dumb label he hasn't been able to escape, but certain QBs are judged far more harshly for not winning Super Bowls than others. I think people forget how incredibly difficult it is. You also need a bit of luck - only one team can do it every year. And sometimes you just get beat by a team that performs better. It's not necessarily a choke.
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Again, you either haven't been here long enough, or you haven't read the thread closely enough. I've said our defense has been suspect all season. When we got Talib and started playing better, I was excited, but not cocky. Last year (see the thread) I said the same thing, our defense has been craptastic and it's been our achilles for some time now.
On this very page I said the Ravens outplayed the Patriots in every facet of the game. And it's true. I don't like to speak for others, but I know for a fact zioxide has been hard on the Patriots in this thread at various points. I think you see what you want to see.
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You comparing Tom Brady to Tony Romo and Philip Rivers isn't saying something "true" about Tom Brady - and yes, I've taken you to task on it, because it's lazy analysis in my opinion. And untrue. Also your opinion, and not fact. But I'm not going to argue the Pats played like crap yesterday. Or that our defense needs a lot of work, or that there is no pass rush, etc. etc.
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Point me to some posts like that in this thread, please.
Yes Im a Pats Fan, and you are correct. But if you suffered as long as we had prior to the Brady era, you might understand.
It's clear people are very sensitive here so I do apologize. Being Jets fan I have heard all kinds of insults, jokes and trash talking about my team this year including in this very thread... And guess what I know it comes with the territory so I take it and heck most of the time I agree with it. But it's clear that some can dish it out but can't take it when it's directed at their team (not refering to anyone specifically) so I will be diplomatic from now on and keep it to objective game analysis
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LOL @ Welker's wife blasting Ray Lewis. Last year it was Giselle with the comments and today it's Welker's wife. They don't make it hard to hate the Patriots.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...wes-welker-wife-apologizes-ray-lewis-comments
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...wes-welker-wife-apologizes-ray-lewis-comments
Anyways it's clear people are very sensitive here so I do apologize. Being Jets fan I have heard all kinds of insults, jokes and trash talking about my team this year including in this very thread... And guess what I know it comes with the territory so I take it and heck most of the time I agree with it. But it's clear that some can dish it out but can't take it when it's directed at their team (not refering to anyone specifically) so I will be diplomatic from now on and keep it to objective game analysis
You have been harsh to Queen of Spades but to be fair, at least from what I have seen this year, they have been just as harsh back so it's all fair in that battle.
I saw those posts before they were edited, too and at the end, it came down to a Pats fan versus a non-Pats fan and believe me I hear much harsher things down at the pub.
I am no fan of your team, either but at least you have the ability to see good and bad and don't have any untouchable players. You have seen what they have said when I say anything bad against Brady. I think your nemesis has sound analysis, but it goes out the window if it even remotely touches Brady and then the wheels all fall off. The tone of this thread has been a lot nicer on your part overall even though lately you have been more combative but I chalk that up more to you celebrating the Pats loss.
Personally, for me, I would rather face the Ravens instead of the Pats but with Smith out on D and Kap being so new, I don't know if that will help our cause any as we could still be blown out in the Super Bowl. I would have been more confident last year but we got beat on the way there and some may have said we blew it or sucked but I too felt the same way. For me any choke Brady has put up, even though he is choke king this week, is not as bad as my team falling apart last year and losing the NFC championship against a team I didn't consider much more than above average.
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You my friend have never met Green Bay Packers fans or Cubs fans
I do know Packers fans are proud but hey, they own the team.
The whole Pats thing with the cockiness could start with the coach who refused to grant an interview he promised and that made the upstairs announcers go nuts (as would have me). It was bad sportsmanship and while unprofessional in a player, it's not pro quality behavior. From there, insulting and basically bad behavior stems down from there.
Since Brady is a local boy, we have many Pats fans in Northern California and that is understandable but the ruckus and overall bad karma they bring with them to the bar/pub is unacceptable. I have even seen some of my fellow Raider fans stink the place up, but nothing like Pats fans.
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Let's see, Tom, Tony, and Phillip - QBs with great QB ratings
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players who blow big games and somehow, well, choke
...but if what you are trying to say is that Tom got further along, then yes in that way they are different. But would you be any happier had you been a Rivers or Romo fan had the Chargers or Cowboys lost the SB in '07 and '12 seasons and then lost yesterday in AFC or NFC championship games?
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You have been harsh to Queen of Spades but to be fair, at least from what I have seen this year, they have been just as harsh back so it's all fair in that battle.
I saw those posts before they were edited, too and at the end, it came down to a Pats fan versus a non-Pats fan and believe me I hear much harsher things down at the pub.
I am no fan of your team, either but at least you have the ability to see good and bad and don't have any untouchable players. You have seen what they have said when I say anything bad against Brady. I think your nemesis has sound analysis, but it goes out the window if it even remotely touches Brady and then the wheels all fall off. The tone of this thread has been a lot nicer on your part overall even though lately you have been more combative but I chalk that up more to you celebrating the Pats loss.
Personally, for me, I would rather face the Ravens instead of the Pats but with Smith out on D and Kap being so new, I don't know if that will help our cause any as we could still be blown out in the Super Bowl. I would have been more confident last year but we got beat on the way there and some may have said we blew it or sucked but I too felt the same way. For me any choke Brady has put up, even though he is choke king this week, is not as bad as my team falling apart last year and losing the NFC championship against a team I didn't consider much more than above average.
100% agreed, I think me and you have had some really nice analysis back and forth this season. And I do admit my dislike of the Patriots made me a little combative. Like I said in my post though I do apologize.... folks like you and me deal with others criticizing and disliking our teams well, and can come back with analysis but some get sensitive. Believe me I deal with this constantly because alot of people dislike the Jets but I enjoy it as sports trash talk and banter but I realize many people don't see it that way.
Anyways I am already over it, other than the Pats I am a huge fan of the NFL and enjoy watching any other team, it's funny cause thats really the only team I dislike lol. Here's to a great Super Bowl, it should be an amazing game.... Both teams are playing at a really high level and both brothers are awesome coaches
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I hope my brother wins this one and not the the brother on the East Coast.
The line, from one source, has Niners up by 4 or 4.5 but I don't buy it. There are no sacred cows on my team and it's a sport with, imho, healthy players and injured players and then players with different stats. Our D got banged up and got a bad start in the Atlanta game. We all thought we were toast and the pizza joint in my town turned off the TV. If they didn't I would have pulled the plug and at this sports heavy joint, we were all talking about Wilson not being a Giant anymore and the last thing I needed was to see a blowout of the Niners.
What Atlanta figured out was how to close the hole where Kap could run and at the same time out hustled our D and then it was 17-0 Atlanta. If the Ravens do the same I don't expect lighting to strike twice and for us to come back from such a deficit.
We have to stop the Raven's Rice and had the Raven's stuck to him instead of Flacco's second half passing in the 4th quarter, they would have got a couple more yards. They didn't fool the Pats by going to Flacco in the air on early downs so I hope the Niners realize that Baltimore is going to likely run it heavy on those where it has worked well for them.
The game could hinge on if we could stop Rice or not and high scoring or low scoring, the game will be decided by a small margin.
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Well, I apologize for taking so much umbrage with your posts, bigjaynyc. The better choice would have been to ignore the ones that were purely about dancing in the Pats' blood and focus on the actual football discussion instead of worrying about that other stuff. Instead, the thread got a bit sidetracked, so for that I'm sorry. I have no qualms with people hating the Patriots/Tom Brady/Bill Belichick, although I reserve my right to defend them if and where applicable. But I try and do it reasonably.
(And the mods don't favor me, I've been TO'd plenty.)
That said, just to be clear: the Patriots played like crap yesterday. Tom Brady had a bad, forgettable game, was inaccurate, etc. The defense came up small, and the coaching was not very good. They got beat by a better team, as they deserved.
I don't get it - am I not allowed to present any counter analysis to your points? That's basically all I've done. I disagree with you, but it's all football discussion. That's all. My life will go on as usual whether or not you agree with me, but I enjoy discussing such things, especially when I see logic problems with certain points.
I figured discussion is what you were going for, otherwise I don't see the point in throwing stuff like that out there. But to each his own, although that doesn't make my responses ballistic.
Okay, well first - you can lose a game without choking. Sometimes you just get beat by a better team. The Ravens were the better team yesterday. And I'll get into the stats, but if we're judging QBs by their ability or inability to win in the postseason, here are some elite QBs postseason records since a SB win:
Aaron Rodgers: 1-2 in the postseason since winning the '10-'11 SB
Ben Roethlisberger: 2-2 in the postseason since winning the '08-'09 SB (missed the playoffs completely twice since, lost SB in '10-'11 season)
Peyton Manning: 2-4 in the postseason since winning the '06-'07 SB
Drew Brees: 1-2 in the postseason since winning the '09-'10 SB (missed the playoffs completely twice since)
I don't think anyone would argue this is a list of fantastic QBs. The postseason record is only a small part of the puzzle. The more you're in the playoffs, the more chances you have to lose. Winning a SB takes a lot of variables. And QBs don't face each other like a tennis match - they face opposing, playoff defenses. Who wouldn't take Aaron Rodgers as their QB in a heartbeat? I mean come on.
I consider winning the AFCCG in '07, '11, winning on the road in SD in '06, and this year's Divisional Round win against the Texans to be big wins and big performances in important games. You're not going to win the SB every year.
No, what I'm trying to say is Tom Brady is a better QB than Philip Rivers and Tony Romo. Regular season, postseason, however you want to dice it up. Yes, he had a bad game. But let's also give the Ravens some credit, they played a tough, physical game, and did what they needed to do to beat the Patriots. The more times you make the playoffs, the more chances you have to lose playoff games. It's a lose-lose situation, I suppose, if you're held to a "SB or failure" standard. But he covers a lot of the Patriots' flaws. He carried that team to the SB last year, their defense was actually worse than this year. If you're not a complete team, you'll get exposed in the postseason. That's what's happened to the Patriots the last couple of years. Scoring a bajillion points will win you a lot of regular season games, but it's tough to win the SB like that unless your defense is tough.
My question to you is, if you had to choose from those three QBs to start for your team in a postseason game, who would you pick? Honestly? Philip Rivers almost singlehandedly tanked the Chargers' season this year. And I think Romo gets undeserved flack, but again, there's a big difference.
(And the mods don't favor me, I've been TO'd plenty.)
That said, just to be clear: the Patriots played like crap yesterday. Tom Brady had a bad, forgettable game, was inaccurate, etc. The defense came up small, and the coaching was not very good. They got beat by a better team, as they deserved.
I don't get it - am I not allowed to present any counter analysis to your points? That's basically all I've done. I disagree with you, but it's all football discussion. That's all. My life will go on as usual whether or not you agree with me, but I enjoy discussing such things, especially when I see logic problems with certain points.
I figured discussion is what you were going for, otherwise I don't see the point in throwing stuff like that out there. But to each his own, although that doesn't make my responses ballistic.
63dot said:Let's see, Tom, Tony, and Phillip - QBs with great QB ratings
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players who blow big games and somehow, well, choke
Okay, well first - you can lose a game without choking. Sometimes you just get beat by a better team. The Ravens were the better team yesterday. And I'll get into the stats, but if we're judging QBs by their ability or inability to win in the postseason, here are some elite QBs postseason records since a SB win:
Aaron Rodgers: 1-2 in the postseason since winning the '10-'11 SB
Ben Roethlisberger: 2-2 in the postseason since winning the '08-'09 SB (missed the playoffs completely twice since, lost SB in '10-'11 season)
Peyton Manning: 2-4 in the postseason since winning the '06-'07 SB
Drew Brees: 1-2 in the postseason since winning the '09-'10 SB (missed the playoffs completely twice since)
I don't think anyone would argue this is a list of fantastic QBs. The postseason record is only a small part of the puzzle. The more you're in the playoffs, the more chances you have to lose. Winning a SB takes a lot of variables. And QBs don't face each other like a tennis match - they face opposing, playoff defenses. Who wouldn't take Aaron Rodgers as their QB in a heartbeat? I mean come on.
I consider winning the AFCCG in '07, '11, winning on the road in SD in '06, and this year's Divisional Round win against the Texans to be big wins and big performances in important games. You're not going to win the SB every year.
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No, what I'm trying to say is Tom Brady is a better QB than Philip Rivers and Tony Romo. Regular season, postseason, however you want to dice it up. Yes, he had a bad game. But let's also give the Ravens some credit, they played a tough, physical game, and did what they needed to do to beat the Patriots. The more times you make the playoffs, the more chances you have to lose playoff games. It's a lose-lose situation, I suppose, if you're held to a "SB or failure" standard. But he covers a lot of the Patriots' flaws. He carried that team to the SB last year, their defense was actually worse than this year. If you're not a complete team, you'll get exposed in the postseason. That's what's happened to the Patriots the last couple of years. Scoring a bajillion points will win you a lot of regular season games, but it's tough to win the SB like that unless your defense is tough.
My question to you is, if you had to choose from those three QBs to start for your team in a postseason game, who would you pick? Honestly? Philip Rivers almost singlehandedly tanked the Chargers' season this year. And I think Romo gets undeserved flack, but again, there's a big difference.
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OK, fair enough and since our team had a QB controversy, fans have looked at possibilities just in case Kap doesn't work and Smith never regains the numbers from last year and this year.
I would choose Brady. Yes, I know of the loss yesterday and the two Super Bowl losses but he has also had the experience of winning three very close ones and that's who you want to lead your team.
On paper, career QB ratings, they don't differ that much so I have to go with intangibles. The on paper differences of these three guys and their careers is very close, really. Other things like Brady's toughness, especially being very young but still playing like a seasoned veteran, was key. I don't know what Rivers or Romo would have done with 49ers but we did OK with slightly above average Alex Smith.
Kap could prove to be up there in Romo and Rivers numbers, but if his career ends up floating in the low 80s, then all this year will have just proved to have been hype and a good year for him. The long term is what counts.
While I consider Brady old, and at 36 next year long past the prime of other greats who came before him, I won't be surprised if he and the Pats are here next year ready to play a challenger coming into Foxboro in the AFC title game. Even if he plays until 39 or 40 and declines accordingly as most would in that age in this violent sport, he may get that 4th ring yet. Like you mentioned there are so many factors. While I haven't seen Brady look like most older 35 year old QBs in the NFL, his mental game is the only place I can see where there is an issue. Where is the QB who in a SB or AFC championship gets that crucial third down right there on the sidelines? Where is that quick release that was his trademark I saw in his first three Super Bowls? Maybe the rest of the team he had then worked better with that passing style and because he has better O protection, he has used more time in passing getting fewer choices? You watch the Pats every week and I don't get those games so you will have to tell me if there's any difference. When you give Brady that much time, the other team's D has a chance to catch up with your receivers and the rushers get closer to sacking Brady.
Teams have been seeming to get the Pats O game and I don't think it's a coincidence. But one article I read is that BB and the Pats are masters at adaptation so I wouldn't be surprised if they come back looking very different next year. Your team isn't starting out or rebuilding and since all your parts are there, it's a good thing you don't have to look 3 or 4 years into the future like we did when we had Alex Smith slowly learning the 49ers system and only incrementally getting better. Smith was just out of college so we had the time, but the Pats don't have that luxury.
What would you do in next 3 years since that's probably what you will have Brady for (give or take a year).
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No harm no foul. I think we both got a little over-passionate there. For what it's worth as much as I dislike the patriots i do think Brady is one of the greatest QB's to play the game. There's no denying the talent. And I think I mentioned this yesterday but I was shocked that they only scored 13 points. I don't think anyone was expecting that.
I would too. Offensively, he's only gotten better every year since his first SB, and 2011 was one of his finest seasons, so was 2007, SB losses don't diminish that. People forget that the Patriots defense really set the tone in Super Bowl 36. I know Brady is the most remembered because of that final drive to win the game, but the Patriots offense only scored 13 points total. The defense came up huge, smacking the Rams receivers around (much like the Ravens did to us yesterday
) and stopping their high powered offense. They also scored a hugely important defensive touchdown. 13 offensive points wouldn't have done it if the Greatest Show on Turf was allowed to run free and the defense didn't come up huge.The same goes for those 2003 and (to a slightly lesser extent) 2004 winning squads. We used to have a stout, tough defense and a complimentary offense. People forget Brady threw an INT in the 4th quarter in the Super Bowl against the Panthers which put them behind and set up that game winning drive. They remember the game winning drive and nothing else - but that drive was necessary because he made a mistake. He's human, but he's been consistently great for a long time. When the team wins the SB, his humanness is forgotten. When the team loses in the postseason, it's his fault.
Since then, we've had a high-powered offense and a weaker, bend-but-dont-break defense, and the results kind of speak for themselves.
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Like I said, I think he had an off game yesterday. I also think the Ravens are a tough matchup for him and our team. They knock Patriots receivers around and it does the trick. They played them tougher in week 3 this year, so that was disappointing, but they have the right game plan for the Pats.
That said, my honest assessment is that the Patriots lack of success since 2004 has far less to do with Brady declining than it does with our defense being the achilles for some time now. Sure he's had a couple of so-so games, but for the most part he's done what he needs to against good, postseason caliber defenses.
The problem with the "he can't win big games" theory is that it's impossible to dispel. If the Patriots win, it's not a big game, it's a game they should have won. And if they lose it's a failure. As I said, Brady's come up big in some big games after the last SB - the '06 Chargers game on the road, the '07 Divisional, '07 AFC CG. The '11 AFC CG, the '12 Divisional Round win. The postseason doesn't have crappy teams, those wins aren't gimmes.
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LOL, yeah, the teams they face in the postseason are good. And defense wins championships.
I hope they continue to work on the defense via the draft, re-sign Welker, and that Gronkowski can stay healthy through the regular season and playoffs. You can pass that along to Santa/the Tooth Fairy/the Football Gods.
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Thanks, same to you. I like discussing football here, so I look forward to doing some of that with you.
And yeah, the Ravens give him fits pretty consistently. Gotta give credit where it's due, they rough housed the Patriots yesterday. The better team won. When's the draft?
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If the Packers resign Dom Capers I'll be irate. I'm sorry but with the amount of talent this team has it's pretty unacceptable that we only have 1 supr bowl win in the last 3 years, and it's solely because of Capers unwillingness/inability to make necessary adjustments. The 49ers loss was the perfect example. The run and gun is really not that hard to stop if a defense can execute and a coordinator can make adjustments. Completely unacceptable and I actually feel similarly about mccarthy too. Yeah yeah I know we had tons of injuries but that doesn't excuse coaches inability to adjust. grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
So from what I saw in Sunday's NFC game, the Falcons did a good job keeping Kaepernick from running, they kept linebackers in on each side for containment..... The downside to that was that Vernon Davis was able to run wild and get in between the linebackers and the safeties for some nice catches. I wonder what the Ravens game plan is going to be with regards to this? The Ravens have a smarter and more veteran secondary so it will be interesting to see how they play it.
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This is what scares me. The Niners had a very good system last year and while it wasn't about winning pretty, it worked almost every time. Now we have a lot of fun looking improvisation and it makes for great clips, but it is not fundamentally sound and a mature defense will not let anything happen.
Defense wins games almost all of the time. Hopefully, we could get healed by the time the big game comes along and have a D like we did mid-season. The talent pool is not what I worry about but more how healthy players are. It's not Nintendo where when you lose a guy you can simply hit "reset".
What bugs me more than anything are Niners fans who think that Kap is somehow Joe Montana or Steve Young just because of a few good games. Jumping out of the pocket and running with such a lanky, high center of gravity is a recipe for disaster. I don't know of any player like that could even go an entire regular season. We only have this one game right now and if Kap and his running game is what he's comfortable with I guess that's what he will do. I don't expect Baltimore to be any less challenging stopping the QB from running than Atlanta.