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2012 Formula 1 Thread

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Catalunya was an odd race. McLaren need to stop making mistakes. Where did Maldonado come from? Schumi's days are numbered, but who will Merc sign? I'd rather see Paul Di Resta at Ferrari than at Mercedes. That's just me. He might take Hamilton's seat, if Hami goes elsewhere. Where would he go? What if Webber went to Ferrari and Hamilton went to Red Bull?
 
bjm2660 said:
Where did Maldonado come from?
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What a terrific, highly interesting season thus far.

In 2003 Pastor Maldonado began formula racing in Italy, driving in the Formula Renault Series. In his first season he finished on the podium three times, and got one pole position. From there I lost track of him until 2010, during which I watched him win the GP2 Championship. Just came across this article about him today:


http://is.gd/Mo1yRB
 
Just ashame that if Williams are found guilty of unsafe practices they could be stripped of that win.
 
iJohnHenry said:
Wouldn't it have to be shown that those practices gave them an unfair advantage, during the race??
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Yes but by not draining the fuel off the car ie servicing there other car that's still an advantage so to speak. They left the car unattended to still compete.
 
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WTF is going on with these penalties? CF

1) Hamilton has a timed lap in the bag. On his final lap he sets the fastest lap but stops on the out lap because of a fear of running out of fuel. Penalty: sent to last place on the grid. 2 cars don't even set a time in Q3 and start above him.

2) Schumacher gets done for causing an avoidable collision with Bruno Senna. Penalty: 5 place penalty grid.

3) Maldonado in Monoco is cited for dangerous driving. Penalty: 10 place grid penalty.

How on earth is Hamilton's incident worse? Maldonado tried to crunch Perez and could have caused a serious incident. He also had history from Belgium 2011. As a result of this he was able to change his gearbox (a 5 grid penalty) and, while Monaco is ruined, has an advantage with a brand new gearbox.
 
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How on earth is Hamilton's incident worse? Maldonado tried to crunch Perez and could have caused a serious incident. He also had history from Belgium 2011. As a result of this he was able to change his gearbox (a 5 grid penalty) and, while Monaco is ruined, has an advantage with a brand new gearbox.
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McLaren have history from Canada don't forget.

Article 6.6.2 of the 2012 F1 Technical regulations states that:
Competitors must ensure that a one litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time during the Event.

Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the stewards of the meeting), if a sample of fuel is required after a practice session the car concerned must have first been driven back to the pits under its own power.

It should be noted that article 6.6.2 was introduced because of McLaren doing the same thing at Canada in 2010, and thus gaining an unfair advantage (because their car is comparitively lighter due to being insufficiently fuelled).

Does seem like a deliberate attempt at cheating again, they obviously were aware that he was short fuelled because they asked him to stop, instead they should've called him in before he completed his lap.

Had McLaren just admitted the error, rather than attempting to claim 'force majeure', they perhaps might have received a lesser penalty.

Have to say that I thought number 2 was a classic racing incident whenever there was one. Senna went right, Schumacher went left, then Senna moved left and Schumacher moved right. I can't remember and I can't be bothered to check what the regs say, but I was under the impression that moving around in the braking area (changing direction) was forbidden. Though I have this feeling that it might perhaps be an agreement amongst the drivers. Or I could be completely wrong of course. :p

As for Maldonado, he was penalised for causing an avoidable accident like during qualifying for the 2011 Belgian GP, however it would appear that the Stewards did take this into account, because last time he received a 5 place grid penalty.
 
Bottom line here at the moment seems to be that no one team has any kind of true leap forward or advantage. It's becoming a little strange when different so called " lesser" teams put in race winning performances. I don't think I could call a winner this year, and it is more exciting than a two team shoot out as has been the case so often in the past.
 
mfacey said:
Isn't that always the case? I can't remember the last time monaco featured actual overtaking!
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True, but this thread was waning so I felt compelled to share my thoughts on the most recent race. That's all I could come up with…Monaco--blah.

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Macman45 said:
Bottom line here at the moment seems to be that no one team has any kind of true leap forward or advantage. It's becoming a little strange when different so called " lesser" teams put in race winning performances. I don't think I could call a winner this year, and it is more exciting than a two team shoot out as has been the case so often in the past.
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I know you're right. A more competitive front of the grid makes for a more exciting season overall. Last year I could barely watch Vettel's relentless dominance. I'm just confused watching dominant teams look downright uncompetitive a week later. What's going on with the tires?
 
Interesting rumours here ...

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2012/06/02/f1-engines-to-be-used-in-sports-car-racing-in-2014/

Joe Saward said:
F1 engines to be used in sports car racing in 2014?
June 2, 2012 by Joe Saward
Racecar Engineering is reporting that there are plans to change the rules of the LMP1 Class of the FIA World Endurance Championship to allow for the new generation of Formula 1 engines that will be introduced that year. This means that Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault and PURE may all be able to find customers in sports car racing, and by the same token, there may be manufacturers who want to in sports car racing, who will leap on the opportunity to enter F1 with the same engine. The rules will increase maximum normally-aspirated engine capacity from 3.7-litres to 5-litres, but there will be restrictions on the fuel flow, which will force manufacturers to aim for more efficient engines. This might result in F1 teams using sports cars as test beds for their engines, which would be no bad thing for the WEC series.

Racecar Engineering says that the plans will be finalised in the next few days, with an announcement being made prior to the start of the Le Mans 24 Hours next Sunday.
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I think it would interesting to see how this changes things. An obvious way, if this were to happen, would be that Toyota would almost inevitably be back in F1, but also Bernie would have the VW group (via Audi) in F1, whom it seems these engines have been aimed at all along.
 
i like the ideas about limiting fuel flow restrictions ( perhaps reducing the amount every year to promote better economic cars) but i honestly don't see this happening
5 liters of displacement in formula one ? not gonna happen by a long shot
 
takao said:
I like the ideas about limiting fuel flow restrictions, (perhaps reducing the amount every year to promote better economic cars), but I honestly don't see this happening.
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The F1 enterprise's 'test-bed' aspect on every-day personal transportation is a thing of the past.

I think Indy used to trumpet that 'feature' too, but long gone now.
 
MOFS said:
Interesting rumours here...
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Isn't this what killed Group C? Moving to 3.5 liter F1 engines made it so expensive that only the manufacturer teams could compete and when they either won or grew bored trying, they left for F1 and the World Endurance Championship folded.

Unless that is the plan again - let Audi and Toyota (and maybe Peugeot) duke it out for a couple of years in the new World Endurance Championship and then get them all to move to F1. :rolleyes:

If they want to allow F1 engines in road racing, let them do it the way Ferrari did with their 4.0L Tipo 040 V12 in the 333 SP for IMSA's World Sports Cars class. :cool:
 
MOFS said:
Interesting rumours here ...

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2012/06/02/f1-engines-to-be-used-in-sports-car-racing-in-2014/



I think it would interesting to see how this changes things. An obvious way, if this were to happen, would be that Toyota would almost inevitably be back in F1, but also Bernie would have the VW group (via Audi) in F1, whom it seems these engines have been aimed at all along.
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Keep dreaming. VW/Audi is not coming to F1. It's not a good fit for them.
 
bjm2660 said:
Keep dreaming. VW/Audi is not coming to F1. It's not a good fit for them.
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Certainly not while Audio continues their LMP1 and DTM programs. They aren't going to spend that kind of money to add F1. Not to mention, Porsche is entering LMP1 again in 2014. I'd be less surprised if VW joined WRC.
 
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