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HP surprised me very much with their latest Envy 14 Spectre which has one beautiful "glossy black monolith of a lid" (said The Verge) :

Of course, I would never by this HP with the poor battery life, tacky Beats-branded audio hardware and logos :)rolleyes: deal breaker right there), misaligned ports and questionable trackpad and internals (Wi-Fi reception?).

Still, this kind of unconventional novelty looks like something Apple would pull. I know that usually, of all companies, HP is the last one anyone should draw inspiration from, but IMO, they did do something right with the Spectre. If Apple were to overhaul the design of their MBPs, this is something I'd like to see!

The best thing about that laptop is the 14" screen in a 13.3" body!

LG launches new A540-T/D 3D notebook, adds A540-P IPS model.

Those LGs are pretty slick too. I hope apple will match these products in the next update.

Would love:

14" in a 13.3" MBP

Quad-core

discrete GPU


Thats all I want :rolleyes:
 
Of course, I would never by this HP with the poor battery life, tacky Beats-branded audio hardware and logos :)rolleyes: deal breaker right there), misaligned ports and questionable trackpad and internals (Wi-Fi reception?).

Still, this kind of unconventional novelty looks like something Apple would pull. I know that usually, of all companies, HP is the last one anyone should draw inspiration from, but IMO, they did do something right with the Spectre. If Apple were to overhaul the design of their MBPs, this is something I'd like to see!

According to some reviews, both the battery and trackpad are not that bad, I even remember reading the words "best non Mac trackpad."

The spectre's design is certainly spectacular, but I'm not sure if I like it. For once, the lid seems bulky and heavy, without obvious benefit (except for looking nice). I like the red accents, but together with the prominent palm rest, the uneven sides and the prominent lid, I feel there is too much going on.

I like how they made room for the ethernet port (it folds out), but I worry that this is not a very durable solution. In any case, there are some interesting design ideas here. While the first envy shows clear influence from the MBP unibody, with the spectre they actually try to look different.

Some reviews have compared this design to the iPhone 4 (glass top, aluminum body).
 
Do people really need thinner MBPs?

Honestly, the discussion in this thread is far too obsessed with the inevitable and doesn't spend enough time talking about the true shortcomings and necessity of the next-generation product.

No Brainers, It's a done deal
-Optical drive is going away. Good riddance.
-256mb SDD standard with optional *additional* HDD for those who need it

What really needs to show up but hasn't been confirmed
-truly next-generation, discrete GPU. 28nm chip from either AMD or NVIDIA that will be more powerful, more efficient, and less HOT than what's in the current MBP.
-Retina Display for 15" and 17" models.
-USB 3.0

What we do not need
-a thinner notebook
-a redesign that puts form over function

The current MBP is the best design on the market. I challenge anyone to find a better-built 17" laptop than the current MBP 17. It does NOT need to be any thinner or lighter than it already is. Focus should be put on improving heat dissipation and improving battery life, NOT MAKING IT SMALLER.

In summary, the next-gen MBP needs to be substantially more powerful, more efficient. If you don't need this power and want a tiny and thin MBP, fine, go buy a MBA.

What a load of rubbish.
 
Keep in mind that Apple only makes a redesign once every 4 years. The PowerBook G3 was released in 1997, the PowerBook G4 in 2001, the MacBook Pro in 2004 and the unibody MacBook Pro in 2008. Apple never considerably changed the internals within a design generation, offering only incremental updates to the CPU, GPU and storage capacity but keeping the same screen and storage type.

I think the next MacBook Pro will be no exception, and I expect it to last from 2012 to 2016 without needing to update its screen or storage type. While some people aren't ready yet for the loss of the optical drive, and even more people aren't ready to sacrifice the large capacity of hard drives to get an all-SSD laptop, I think it's inevitable at this point.

While SSDs are a bit expensive for their capacity right now, you have to consider how much smaller they are compared to a HDD, whether in 1.8" form or blade type like in the MBA. While I'm sure some people would like a HDD+SSD combo right now because of the high price of SSD, I think this will soon be a non-issue and HDDs will definitely be a thing of the past later in the design cycle, which I remind you should end around 2016. Saving the space of a 2.5" HDD inside a laptop is enormous, and I'm sure people will care more about battery life than about having an outdated secondary HDD, especially in 2015-2016.

I'm sure SSD prices will be much lower in the next MBP than in the current one. For one, they will be mass producing them. Mass production of millions of units of anything allow much lower prices. Just look at the new Retina display in the iPad, this thing would have cost way too much to be put in a 500$ tablet if it wasn't produced in millions. Also, Apple recently bought Israel-based flash memory part maker Anobit, so it should be cheaper if they produce those themselves. Apple also generally tend to have a smaller profit margin for their laptops at the beginning of a design cycle than at their end, just for the sake of offering design and price uniformity throughout years.

I expect the SSD options to be 128GB, 256GB and 512GB to start, with maybe a 1TB SSD option later or as an expensive BTO option. While this would represent less storage than current MBPs, you have to consider that Apple thinks long-term. They know SSD is the future and that they won't redesign the MBP for another 4 years. Just look at the first iPhone and iPod touch. The iPhone only had 4/8GB of storage and the iPod had 8/16GB. That wasn't a lot of storage, but they still did it because they knew flash storage-based mobile devices were the future, and Apple wants to show iconic designs that last throughout the years. They constantly want to prove they can predict the future and that they were "right from the beginning" in order to make themselves look like the tech leaders.

Since the design will last for another 4 years, I also expect the screens to be excellent. If they market them as Retina displays or not is only up to Apple, as they can pretty much play with that term by just choosing any "typical viewing distance" they want. You can already say the current 17" MBP has a Retina display if you sit far enough from it. I think the real question is whether or not Apple will attempt to double the resolution on each axis, as they did with the iPhone 4 and the new iPad. While those screens would be definitely pricy to make, they would solve the problem of having tiny UI elements on high-res screens. Just imagine using OS X's UI on a 1920x1200 13" screen, everything would be sharp but way too small. Doubling them at that resolution would however make them too big, like on a 960x600 monitor. To have screens that appear sharp to both our 2012 standards and the 2016 standards and that have reasonably-sized UI elements, I think Apple has to aim high with 2560x1600 and 2880x1800 screens.

As for the guts, the MBP will keep packing the same Intel high-end mobile LV CPUs and discrete graphics, at least in the 15" and 17" models, which could possibly be the only new MBP models anyway. The exact specs will depend more on Intel/Nvidia/AMD than on Apple. The lack of HDD and ODD will free up some space, but there's not much Apple can do to improve performance if they already pack in the best processors Intel has to offer. It's not like they will decide to have a special motherboard with dual CPU or anything crazy of that sort. That means that even with decent cooling and upgraded performance, the new MBP will still have room left to either pack in a larger battery or shrink the case size to allow for a thinner, more portable machine, or realistically a mix of both.

tl;dr: Don't forget the new design will last until 2016, so they have to pack in future-proof parts like SSD and a high-res screen. Hard drives will be obsolete long before the end of this design generation so don't expect a HDD+SSD combo since portability and longer battery life will be more important than carrying an obsolete piece of tech in the coming years. Apple will do everything they can to offer SSD at a reasonable price so they can move forward to a new, future-proof design. The screen could be double the resolution of the current ones or not. It will be more powerful yet probably offer both better battery life and thinner design. Nothing is mutually exclusive here with all the space we save with the removal of HDD and ODD.

tl;dr;tl;dr: The next MacBook Pro is gonna be awesome.
 
(...) tl;dr:Don't forget the new design will last until 2016, so they have to pack in future-proof parts like SSD and a high-res screen. Hard drives will be obsolete long before the end of this design generation so don't expect a HDD+SSD combo since portability and longer battery life will be more important than carrying an obsolete piece of tech in the coming years. Apple will do everything they can to offer SSD at a reasonable price so they can move forward to a new, future-proof design. The screen could be double the resolution of the current ones or not. It will be more powerful yet probably offer both better battery life and thinner design. Nothing is mutually exclusive here with all the space we save with the removal of HDD and ODD. (...)

What makes you think they'll pack everything you said in the first release? between 2012 and 2016 there will be several different updates so they could start by using only HDD to then using HDD+SDD for later using just SDD. This is just an example of how things could be, so I don't think the new design/specs (obviously) would be the same comparing the model we'll discover in a few weeks from now to that of a few years from now.
 
Ivy Bridge is out (excluding the dual core) a week Sunday. So we *could* in theory see an update on the 8th?
 
What makes you think they'll pack everything you said in the first release? between 2012 and 2016 there will be several different updates so they could start by using only HDD to then using HDD+SDD for later using just SDD.

Because having 2 drives takes more space and that space could be used for more useful things (bigger battery, discrete graphics in the 13", slimmer body). I don't think the price/capacity problem we have with SSD right now will last long. It wouldn't make sense to sacrifice features that would be more useful than a secondary HDD in 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016 because of a problem we have only in 2012. As I talked in my previous post, Apple tends to think long-term.

Of course you could say "Well Apple just has to go all-SSD later and put a bigger battery then", but it's not as simple as that. When they design an enclosure, everything is made so that the motherboard fits exactly the casing and that there's room for every part yet not a single millimeter of space is wasted. They also have other factors like weight balance and heat dissipation to keep in mind.

I don't see Apple changing the number/type of default storage disks and the physical size/emplacement of the battery without making a complete redesign of the motherboard and enclosure to go with it. As far as I know, they have never done this in the past 30 years on any of their laptops. As I said previously, only the CPU, GPU and storage capacity change within a design cycle. Notice the MacBook Air got a redesign the day it switched from a 1.8" HDD to SSD, even though the old design wasn't that old and the new enclosure had a pretty similar form factor.

Apple's target isn't to make a redesign every year or two to their MBP line. They want to keep an iconic, lasting design for marketing reasons and produce the same parts in large scale for as long as possible for economic reasons.
 
Will the new MBP most likely to lose the optical drive?

I just ordered a MBP 13 and it's coming tomorrow, I'm not sure if I should return it...
 
Will the new MBP most likely to lose the optical drive?

I just ordered a MBP 13 and it's coming tomorrow, I'm not sure if I should return it...

the optical drive is most likely on the way out yes.

depends on your needs. so many ask this question. apples return policy is very lenient too.

Personally, in my situation right now i would return it and wait.

Because we don't know exactly your needs/uses for the machine thus we can't tell you want to do. This is a decision you must make yourself.

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...at least in the 15" and 17" models, which could possibly be the only new MBP models anyway...

the latest story seemed to hint at a new 13" + 15"? the general feeling is later in the year for the 17".

Can't see why they would scrap the 13", personally.

good post though, thanks for taking time and putting the effort in to add to the discussion.
 
Will the new MBP most likely to lose the optical drive?

I just ordered a MBP 13 and it's coming tomorrow, I'm not sure if I should return it...

The general consensus seems to be yes, but with Apple you can't be sure until they actually do it. They hold most to all of the technical details on their new products as do they hold the release date and so it makes it a guessing game as to when the MBP will be refreshed and what we will see in that refresh. So as of now, the answer to your question is currently a mystery!
 
Do people really need thinner MBPs?

Honestly, the discussion in this thread is far too obsessed with the inevitable and doesn't spend enough time talking about the true shortcomings and necessity of the next-generation product.

No Brainers, It's a done deal
-Optical drive is going away. Good riddance.
-256mb SDD standard with optional *additional* HDD for those who need it

What really needs to show up but hasn't been confirmed
-truly next-generation, discrete GPU. 28nm chip from either AMD or NVIDIA that will be more powerful, more efficient, and less HOT than what's in the current MBP.
-Retina Display for 15" and 17" models.
-USB 3.0

What we do not need
-a thinner notebook
-a redesign that puts form over function

The current MBP is the best design on the market. I challenge anyone to find a better-built 17" laptop than the current MBP 17. It does NOT need to be any thinner or lighter than it already is. Focus should be put on improving heat dissipation and improving battery life, NOT MAKING IT SMALLER.

In summary, the next-gen MBP needs to be substantially more powerful, more efficient. If you don't need this power and want a tiny and thin MBP, fine, go buy a MBA.

"we" != "I"

you are not us.

your dreams (aside being unrealistic) are very self orientated. You should try to think more about what apple are likely to do and if you like that idea or not.

Don't just say what you want and leave it at that.
 
Keep in mind that Apple only makes a redesign once every 4 years. The PowerBook G3 was released in 1997, the PowerBook G4 in 2001, the MacBook Pro in 2004 and the unibody MacBook Pro in 2008. Apple never considerably changed the internals within a design generation, offering only incremental updates to the CPU, GPU and storage capacity but keeping the same screen and storage type.

I think the next MacBook Pro will be no exception, and I expect it to last from 2012 to 2016 without needing to update its screen or storage type. While some people aren't ready yet for the loss of the optical drive, and even more people aren't ready to sacrifice the large capacity of hard drives to get an all-SSD laptop, I think it's inevitable at this point.

While SSDs are a bit expensive for their capacity right now, you have to consider how much smaller they are compared to a HDD, whether in 1.8" form or blade type like in the MBA. While I'm sure some people would like a HDD+SSD combo right now because of the high price of SSD, I think this will soon be a non-issue and HDDs will definitely be a thing of the past later in the design cycle, which I remind you should end around 2016. Saving the space of a 2.5" HDD inside a laptop is enormous, and I'm sure people will care more about battery life than about having an outdated secondary HDD, especially in 2015-2016.

I'm sure SSD prices will be much lower in the next MBP than in the current one. For one, they will be mass producing them. Mass production of millions of units of anything allow much lower prices. Just look at the new Retina display in the iPad, this thing would have cost way too much to be put in a 500$ tablet if it wasn't produced in millions. Also, Apple recently bought Israel-based flash memory part maker Anobit, so it should be cheaper if they produce those themselves. Apple also generally tend to have a smaller profit margin for their laptops at the beginning of a design cycle than at their end, just for the sake of offering design and price uniformity throughout years.

I expect the SSD options to be 128GB, 256GB and 512GB to start, with maybe a 1TB SSD option later or as an expensive BTO option. While this would represent less storage than current MBPs, you have to consider that Apple thinks long-term. They know SSD is the future and that they won't redesign the MBP for another 4 years. Just look at the first iPhone and iPod touch. The iPhone only had 4/8GB of storage and the iPod had 8/16GB. That wasn't a lot of storage, but they still did it because they knew flash storage-based mobile devices were the future, and Apple wants to show iconic designs that last throughout the years. They constantly want to prove they can predict the future and that they were "right from the beginning" in order to make themselves look like the tech leaders.

Since the design will last for another 4 years, I also expect the screens to be excellent. If they market them as Retina displays or not is only up to Apple, as they can pretty much play with that term by just choosing any "typical viewing distance" they want. You can already say the current 17" MBP has a Retina display if you sit far enough from it. I think the real question is whether or not Apple will attempt to double the resolution on each axis, as they did with the iPhone 4 and the new iPad. While those screens would be definitely pricy to make, they would solve the problem of having tiny UI elements on high-res screens. Just imagine using OS X's UI on a 1920x1200 13" screen, everything would be sharp but way too small. Doubling them at that resolution would however make them too big, like on a 960x600 monitor. To have screens that appear sharp to both our 2012 standards and the 2016 standards and that have reasonably-sized UI elements, I think Apple has to aim high with 2560x1600 and 2880x1800 screens.

As for the guts, the MBP will keep packing the same Intel high-end mobile LV CPUs and discrete graphics, at least in the 15" and 17" models, which could possibly be the only new MBP models anyway. The exact specs will depend more on Intel/Nvidia/AMD than on Apple. The lack of HDD and ODD will free up some space, but there's not much Apple can do to improve performance if they already pack in the best processors Intel has to offer. It's not like they will decide to have a special motherboard with dual CPU or anything crazy of that sort. That means that even with decent cooling and upgraded performance, the new MBP will still have room left to either pack in a larger battery or shrink the case size to allow for a thinner, more portable machine, or realistically a mix of both.

tl;dr: Don't forget the new design will last until 2016, so they have to pack in future-proof parts like SSD and a high-res screen. Hard drives will be obsolete long before the end of this design generation so don't expect a HDD+SSD combo since portability and longer battery life will be more important than carrying an obsolete piece of tech in the coming years. Apple will do everything they can to offer SSD at a reasonable price so they can move forward to a new, future-proof design. The screen could be double the resolution of the current ones or not. It will be more powerful yet probably offer both better battery life and thinner design. Nothing is mutually exclusive here with all the space we save with the removal of HDD and ODD.

tl;dr;tl;dr: The next MacBook Pro is gonna be awesome.


Thanks for your post! :)

Do you think these will come soon? (April...may) or Late 2012?

Thanks! :apple:
 
Disappointed

They're really taking the optical drive out? That sucks! To the everyday user, it's like losing a child. No longer will I be able to watch DVDs, I won't be able to burn CDs or copy them to iTunes, without some freaking huge piece of junk connected to wires next to me.

I will GLADLY keep the 2011 model if they're taking the optical drive out, even if it's thinner and has a better display.
 
They're really taking the optical drive out? That sucks! To the everyday user, it's like losing a child. No longer will I be able to watch DVDs, I won't be able to burn CDs or copy them to iTunes, without some freaking huge piece of junk connected to wires next to me.

I will GLADLY keep the 2011 model if they're taking the optical drive out, even if it's thinner and has a better display.

They also take away the cookies!!!

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Seriously, there's still time to be upset when we actually find out how the new MBPs will look like. So far it's just rumors!
 
They're really taking the optical drive out? That sucks! To the everyday user, it's like losing a child. No longer will I be able to watch DVDs, I won't be able to burn CDs or copy them to iTunes, without some freaking huge piece of junk connected to wires next to me.

I will GLADLY keep the 2011 model if they're taking the optical drive out, even if it's thinner and has a better display.

CDs? DVDs? You're still using them, and haven't ripped them already? You like carting a box of discs around everywhere? Instead of whining about an external drive, why aren't you whining as much about carrying your optical media around?
 
Sincerely given the space that ODD takes in the 13'' model, and thats the only one I would buy (weight and size issues, hell Im thinking of going for the air, if the weights keep the same, aside the more screen real state), it would be quite something interesting to take it away.

I could use more battery life, and I know that the weight of the added battery would be something, I dont like to carry the charger, while a battery that lasts me that long is only available so far in the x220, since I use the pc from 9am to 1am

I could use a more powerful gpu, since I do play some games here and there.

The port selection is quite enough for my needs, since I only use USB for thumbdrives and the ocasional mouse when in windows. I rarely use the SD card slot, since I do use mSDs, firewire is something good to keep, however I dont use it. And TB is the icing in the cake, while I still dont use it, I really like the proposition of using it for my NAS, but that means I will have to change the enclosure, or for eGPUs.

Basically if they go all SSDs, which is one thing that I already did it would be something interesting, although quite expensive, since the price mark up is going to be high at first

Sincerely there are several possibilities that apple could go for if they redesign the mbp, and it wont please everyone.
 
I don't think there will be an upgrade this Summer. It seems more logical to have an upgrade with the Haswell Processors.

Still, that being said, I'm still double minded whether on not to sell my MacBook Pro (late 2011 2.2) in the next week or not.

Apple :rolleyes:
 
CDs? DVDs? You're still using them, and haven't ripped them already? You like carting a box of discs around everywhere? Instead of whining about an external drive, why aren't you whining as much about carrying your optical media around?

some people don't have much of an easy choice. I still play a few games that require the DVD to be in the drive...
 
Thanks for your post! :)

Do you think these will come soon? (April...may) or Late 2012?

Thanks! :apple:

My guess is around July.

With the delay of Ivy Bridge, the soonest we could see new mobile CPUs is May or June, depending on the length of the delay (Intel didn't specify a new release date). With WWDC scheduled at the beginning of June, I feel like Apple wouldn't announce new MacBook Pro's at the same time. Apple usually tries to distribute new announcements evenly throughout the year to keep people interested. WWDC is now software-focused and showing off both iOS 6 and Mountain Lion is enough content for this event already.

I think Apple would hold a media event specifically for the new MacBook Pro design, and could also announce a MacBook Air spec bump, just like they did in 2008 when the unibody design was announced:

apple_2008_10_14_event.jpg

Waiting until July would allow to have a simultaneous MBP/MBA release since Intel said that ULV Ivy Bridge CPUs would have a longer delay than regular mobile (LV) CPUs. It would also make sense to have their release coincide with Mountain Lion's release, so they don't force new Mac buyers to upgrade their OS only a month or so after they bought their new hardware. That's what they did with the release of Lion and the 2011 MacBook Air and Mac mini.

I don't think they would wait until the end of the year since there would be no new technologies useful the their laptop line available by then (Haswell will only be available in early 2013), and there are a lot of other stuff to announce around that time (iPhone 5, iOS 6, iMac, iPods).

That's just my guess though, nobody knows for sure besides Apple.
 
Apple's redesign of the PowerBook G3 line occurred in May 1998. (The first PowerBook G3 "Kanga" was a carry over of the PowerBook 3400 design), not 1997.

Spot on with the PowerBook G4. The Titanium was introduced in January 2001.

The MacBook Pro was introduced in January 2006. However the design upon which it was based, the PowerBook G4 Aluminium, was introduced in January 2003. No redesign took place in 2004.

Spot on again with the Unibody MacBook Pro, the first 15-inch model was introduced in October 2008.

That places the redesigns at staggered time frames. 3 Years between the G3 and Titanium PowerBook. 2 Years between the Titanium PowerBook and Aluminium PowerBook. 5 Years between the Aluminium PowerBook and the Unibody MacBook Pro (or close to 3 Years between the first MacBook Pro and Unibody MacBook Pro if you count them as a separate design, although the chassis and exterior remained largely the same).

So the impression I get is that Apple redesigns their hardware whenever they see fit, there's no locked-in time frame stating how long a particular design revision should last.

It's for that reason that I do agree that Apple usually tends to save major hardware changes for design revisions, primarily because the technology they're attempting to build into the machine is beginning to exceed the capabilities of the existing enclosure, or they want to add/remove components that would leave not enough space or too much free space within the enclosure. As the hardware exceeds the limits of the enclosure containing it, or the enclosure no longer becomes necessary with more efficient use of space, a redesign becomes more and more likely.

Thanks for the correction! I should have checked the exact years on Wikipedia before posting.

So, the design generations are actually:

PowerBook G3 in 1998
PowerBook G4 (Titanium) in 2001
PowerBook G4 (Aluminium) / MacBook Pro (same design) in 2003
MacBook Pro (unibody) in 2008
 
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