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2013 iMac Assembled in USA

mossy said:
Fair enough.
The only reason I asked is because you put HollyHill Industrial Estate in quotes.
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I have explained you why....:p

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tomnavratil said:
Simply Apple's European HQ is in Ireland (yes, mainly because of Tax reasons - you don't really want to pay British corporate tax if you're successful) so the BTO Macs are assembled there for final process.

I do assume that American customers get all their BTO Macs assembled in States then? I was just wondering where does the rest of the world get theirs done? All in China or geographically distributed among Ireland, US and China?
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Low import taxes....products arrive to Ireland (from China) "ready in the box" and there, priests bless them and put a sticker "Assembled in Ireland". Then, APPLE imports them and pays low taxes...

is that the true story?

ALL Macs can be assembled in the US but customers have to absorb the "higher labor cost"....

PS: I heard Tim Cook has recently received his Irish 27'' new iMac and as expected, it hasn't had any monitor (or other) problem...do you know why? Pope blessed it in Ireland "Holy Hill Estate"...please, confirm this rumor, OK?
 
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ioannis2005gr said:
Low import taxes....products arrive to Ireland (from China) "ready in the box" and there, priests bless them and put a sticker "Assembled in Ireland". Then, APPLE imports them and pays low taxes...

Is that the true story?

ALL Macs can be assembled in the US but customers have to absorb the "higher labor cost"....
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Apple products in the US are much cheaper than they are in the UK. The only thing stopping me flying to the US, buying an iMac and saving >$1000 is UK tax. :(
 
ioannis2005gr said:
I have explained you why....:p

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Low import taxes....products arrive to Ireland (from China) "ready in the box" and there, priests bless them and put a sticker "Assembled in Ireland". Then, APPLE imports them and pays low taxes...

is that the true story?

ALL Macs can be assembled in the US but customers have to absorb the "higher labor cost"....

PS: I heard Tim Cook has recently received his Irish 27'' new iMac and as expected, it hasn't had any monitor (or other) problem...do you know why? Pope blessed it in Ireland "Holy Hill Estate"...please, confirm this rumor, OK?
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To be honest, I've never heard of the name of the industrial estate before, but I've been aware that Apple's EU HQ is located in Cork. It is indeed a funny name considering there is more IT companies, such as Amazon, in the area.

It can only be a speculation of how much of preparing / assembling is done in Ireland by to have "Assembled in Ireland" label, I would assume certain % of work needs to be carried out there (just a guess).

There is an interesting article - http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2013/05/21/apples-irish-tax-strategy-explained/ explaining Apple's presence in Ireland including countries where Apple ships products to from Ireland.
 
mossy said:
As mentioned earlier, it is the taxation systems in other jurisdictions that is the problem.
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You're right there. I live in the UK myself so I've read about it myself earlier but the article was giving more perspective to the whole issue for someone who's not aware of this :).
 
tomnavratil said:
You're right there. I live in the UK myself so I've read about it myself earlier but the article was giving more perspective to the whole issue for someone who's not aware of this :).
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True true.
One thing though, I'm kinda looking forward to the free trade agreement between the USA and Europe. Maybe us Europeans will catch a break with the cost of Apple products and Adobe (to mention just a few). It might be in 2-3 years. Just in time for the MacPro refresh:eek:
 
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fhopper said:
I figure the BTOs are configured in the new Mini plant but base models might still come from China. Let's face it, we on this forum are BTO people.
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Buy something off the rack? How gauche! :)

The one being shipped to me is anything but stock. It involved two orders to OWC for drives/memory/misc and then an order to smalldog that they needed to get custom from apple. Then to complete the morning talking to my credit card company confirming that yes, the orders were mine.
 
mossy said:
True true.
One thing though, I'm kinda looking forward to the free trade agreement between the USA and Europe. Maybe us Europeans will catch a break with the cost of Apple products and Adobe (to mention just a few). It might be in 2-3 years. Just in time for the MacPro refresh:eek:
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That sounds like a plan to me! Especially Adobe prices are a killer at the moment so it would be nice to see an improvement there! :)
 
ioannis2005gr said:
Are you sure? do you think "the designing of it" happened in the USA?
I bet it happened in China, too...apart from 5-10 members in Apple's high chairs, all others are Chinese....(sorry! Black humor....but not very far from reality!).
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Actually, this statement couldn't be any further from the truth. You honestly think ANY of the design and R&D occurs in China? Do you thnk the new headquarters in Cupertino is simply for the execs to play a glorified game of lawn darts from their personal jets and helicopters?
 
cuencap said:
Actually, this statement couldn't be any further from the truth. You honestly think ANY of the design and R&D occurs in China? Do you thnk the new headquarters in Cupertino is simply for the execs to play a glorified game of lawn darts from their personal jets and helicopters?
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Exactly. If any R&D whatsoever would be done in China there are leaks and clones many months before products release. So yes, the HQ in Cupertino is definitely not just for fun ;).
 
cuencap said:
... Do you thnk the new headquarters in Cupertino is simply for the execs to play a glorified game of lawn darts from their personal jets and helicopters?
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No comment....

I hope Holly Hill Estate in Ireland is the place where new iMacs are being assembled, far from luxurious life style...
 
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ioannis2005gr said:
Are you sure? do you think "the designing of it" happened in the USA?
I bet it happened in China, too...apart from 5-10 members in Apple's high chairs, all others are Chinese....(sorry! Black humor....but not very far from reality!).
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This is simply not true.

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ioannis2005gr said:
No comment....

I hope Holly Hill Estate in Ireland is the place where new iMacs are being assembled, far from luxurious life style...
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You have some odd views of the world.
 
ioannis2005gr said:
Are you sure? do you think "the designing of it" happened in the USA?
I bet it happened in China, too...apart from 5-10 members in Apple's high chairs, all others are Chinese....(sorry! Black humor....but not very far from reality!).
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If you think the Chinese are capable of designing... well anything original... so far most evidence says no.
 
Arfdog said:
If you think the Chinese are capable of designing... well anything original... so far most evidence says no.
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I sincerely hope you're joking. Paper, silk, writing, gunpowder, bronze, the abacus, all invented in China long before Europe, or America. Just because we now think of them as the world's workshop, pumping out every consumer product for little money in appalling conditions, don't discount an entire nation's history and innovation. They have been designing original ideas long before the western world.
 
The America always buy the best people across the world so, yes America is capable of designing
 
AaronM5670 said:
Perhaps not ... ;)
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Ireland wants to adjust its system however the loophole will just change, it won't end. Ireland already said that it would allow these companies - Apple, Adobe, Microsoft, Oracle etc. to choose residency of their choice including Tax Havens, which means these companies would have still pretty good tax optimization.

IMHO, Ireland needs to protect places created by these companies. IT industry is very important for Ireland and the government won't these places simply to disappear.

I also think that Apple's finance and legal departments have massive contingency plans for these situation and they have already identified another loophole elsewhere.
 
AaronM5670 said:
Perhaps not ... ;)
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Ireland are not going to jump just because some politicians in the USA or Germany say so!
Also, the trend around the world seems to be to lower the corporation tax rate.

It would be absolutely ridiculous for Ireland to hike up its corporation tax rate and then for example Germany (which does not have a minimum wage - unlike a lot of other European countries) to lower its corporation tax rate.
 
ioannis2005gr said:
Low import taxes....products arrive to Ireland (from China) "ready in the box" and there, priests bless them and put a sticker "Assembled in Ireland".
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Interesting theory but considering the fact that this is illegal, I highly doubt it. They probably get the components from all over the world (mainly China, I'm guessing) and put them together in Ireland or the USA.

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Fuith said:
I sincerely hope you're joking. Paper, silk, writing, gunpowder, bronze, the abacus, all invented in China long before Europe, or America.
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that was LONG before communism as well - and no, I don't think he's joking (and I do believe he's right).
 
kis said:
Interesting theory but considering the fact that this is illegal, I highly doubt it. They probably get the components from all over the world (mainly China, I'm guessing) and put them together in Ireland or the USA.

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that was LONG before communism as well - and no, I don't think he's joking (and I do believe he's right).
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comment1: "put them together in Ireland or the USA" I've not heard of it! How do you know that?

comment2: "that was LONG before communism" are you serious? which communism? Have you ever visited China? ...(do you believe whatever politicians say on TV?)

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theSeb said:
This is simply not true.

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You have some odd views of the world.
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I know...you don't hear on TV such things....correct? :cool:
 
ioannis2005gr said:
comment1: "put them together in Ireland or the USA" I've not heard of it! How do you know that?

comment2: "that was LONG before communism" are you serious? which communism? Have you ever visited China? ...(do you believe whatever politicians say on TV?)
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It says so on the sticker?

As for China: just because China is in some sort of transitional state from communism to what they call "free market" doesn't mean that the school system has been fundamentally reformed. The entire system is trimmed for efficiency, mass production and reproduction. Creativity is killed in the early years of childhood. I happen to have studied under a prof who specialized in language acquisition in Chinese schools.
 
kis said:
It says so on the sticker?

As for China: just because China is in some sort of transitional state from communism to what they call "free market" doesn't mean that the school system has been fundamentally reformed. The entire system is trimmed for efficiency, mass production and reproduction. Creativity is killed in the early years of childhood. I happen to have studied under a prof who specialized in language acquisition in Chinese schools.
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I think we drove the discussion off the topic.

PS: "Creativity is killed in the early years of childhood" Do you know what happened in the USA in 50's and 60's? Why? How do you call it?

Your iMac is assembled in Ireland, is that correct?
 
ioannis2005gr said:
I think we drove the discussion off the topic.

PS: "Creativity is killed in the early years of childhood" Do you know what happened in the USA in 50's and 60's? Why? How do you call it?

Your iMac is assembled in Ireland, is that correct?
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At least that's what it says on the box. I was trying to dig up the legal mambo-jambo for the terms "assembled in" and "made in". There are pretty strict laws governing when these terms can be used in the EU and what degree of work has to be done within an EU country so that these terms may be used on packaging
 
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