2013 Intel Haswell on R-MBP?

Almost 100% possibility.

 

Since Apple seems to update their notebooks at least once a year, after Intel has released new chips and such, thus allowing Apple to use them, which they also did, chances are very high, that if a MacBook Pro with Retina Display is released in 2013, after Intel has released their Haswell chips, that those 2013 MacBook Pros with Retina Display will use Haswell chips too, meaning that those Macs will probably be 20 to 40 percent faster than the current ones, and probably thrice as fast as your Mac, depending on your computational usage.

 

The chance is quite high, yes. But what is it you expect from haswell?

 

It's entirely a possibility. No one knows how it would compare to Ivy Bridge. But to quote myself from another thread,

 

Much better graphic performance and better battery life.

 

Much is a bit of exaggeration. The fact is, we really don't know. Everyone was expecting Ivy Bridge's triplanes would revolutionize the industry, and all we got is a slight bump.

And even if Haswell is a tock, Ivy Bridge was a tick+ with its trigates, and Broadwell probably will be when they adopt an MCD design the following year. Wait until next year, and I can almost guarantee that Broadwell will look just about as tantalizing as Haswell does now.

 

If we knew the clock speeds, your presumed Google search would've answered your question, wouldn't it?

You mean what everyone hopes for. What exactly do you need breakneck speed/graphics for? Chances are if the speed/graphics on Haswell will help you, you'd need to upgrade now because you'd be doing some serious work to break IB's barriers. Otherwise, if you don't need a new computer, you might as well wait. I have an '09 MBP, and if it keeps not doing what I need it to, I'm going to get something that can. If this is your situation, I'd suggest the same.

And I meant what I said; Broadwell will probably be just as much of an upgrade as Haswell will be. And current evidence puts quantum computing in a MUCH larger timeframe than you think. We still haven't designed a functional Q-bit, and it will probably be 10-15 years after we make a Q-bit until we design a computer that can actually use one. Think 25 years in the future, minimum.

Also, you said you don't need to upgrade now, but next year you do. That should answer your question well enough. Honestly OP, I'm not quite sure what you want me to say.

You could get one now and upgrade in 2017-2018, or one next year and upgrade in 2018-2019. Either way, technology gets better and old things get obsolete. It's why there's so much money in computers, and in my opinion, what makes them so interesting.

Buy right after an upgrade, and don't look back.

 

Graphics Performance?
Like in normal UI usage?

Because everything else is done by the GPU, which is awesome in the current Retina MBP.

 

Don't expect any major increase in GHz for a long time, it's all about efficiency per clock per watt now.

Haswell is going to be on the same 22nm process as Ivy Bridge, so not a major shrink and nor a huge savings in battery life. It's a further refinement of Ivy Bridge.

That'll be Broadwall, a 14nm process shrink expected in 2014, that'll give bigger bang for the bucks compared to Haswell.

That's going to happen every year, there's going to be slight improvements on CPU, GPU, battery life and so on.

If you need a laptop now, get it now. If you can wait, then wait. The other thing that you can benefit from waiting is that there'd probably be a 13" rMBP this year or next year and a second generation of rMBP models next year that'll be refined to fix any mistakes they made from the first-gen model.

 

That website is actually the buyer's guide on this one. And there are a few ways to look at the tick-tock situation. The fact is, Intel makes so many changes on their ticks that they're nearing the power of the tocks.

Ivy Bridge implemented Tri Gates, and Broadwell will implement a Multi Chip Package (MCP) that will make all of Intel's former chips obsolete, as they were all external. You can't really simplify things to simply "arch upgrades" and "die shrinks" anymore.

Also, the actual design of the MBP just got "tocked" (as in a chassy change), a phenomenon which really only happens once every 3-4 years. While the internals may be upgraded over the next four years, the actual design probably won't change. Something else to think about.

EDIT: Also, if you've already made your decision, why start this thread? If you're second-guessing, just remember that there's always something better around the corner, and nothing that anyone makes will truly ever be perfect. Such is science.

 

So basically, buy the new MBPR now and when sky lake comes you'll be just about few ready to get a revolutionary upgrade... Again.

 

Or you could just wait for Skymont, which will include resistance to quantum tunneling at 10nm (necessary for the die shrink).

See what's going on here?

EDIT: Here's a whole article on how Broadwell and MCM will change everything... Again

http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...on-14-nanometer-will-have-a-qsocq-design.html

 

Assuming Intel gets them out on time they will be in next years refresh. It only makes sense.

 

If there are things that you want to do that you can't do, I'd reccomend upgrading. Due to the fact that things change every year, it means that it almost doesn't matter when you upgrade as long as you do it relatively quickly after a refresh.

Heck, I'm having troubles virtualizing 1 VM on an '09 MBP (and I'd like to virtualize several). If the problem persists, I'd much rather be able to be more productive a year sooner, as missing the next model just means I upgrade that much sooner.

 

Exactly, I upgrade desktop and laptops in 3 to 4 cycles. If there's something like a 50% performance bump next season i may upgrade but beyond that i love the feeling of getting something 2-4 times more powerful than the last.

Also to nerd out on Intel, I bet they already have working versions of all of there named chipsets for the next 7 years. They just use all the time in between to develop mass manufacturing processes and improve yield to profitable levels

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If you're a professional, work out how much money you'll
not make by waiting another year as opposed to the extra 20% more performance you'll get over the life of the machine.

Unless your a hobbyist, its a no brainer.

 

If what you'll be doing in college needed the extra horse power I don't think that this would be a hard decision. As such there is no objective decision anyone could make without you spelling out every detail of your situation.

 

While they were able to run a computer on lightbulbs, that computer didn't have the specs that the RMBP has. So a 20% battery increase sounds about right.

If you're going to benefit significantly from the specs, I'd say the extra year of benefit would far outweigh whatever relatively slight benefits that Haswell will offer next year. But hey, that's just me.

 

Can somebody clarify this once and for all ?
Is Haswell going to be a significant tock, at least in "user experience" such and 9-11h battery life on a rMBP and cooler machine ? In my opinion, if you bought the first intel i Core generation in 2010 you were good to go up until 2013's Haswell.

I want to finally catch a tock a do not give a damn untill somethin trully significant comes again. If Haswell (2013) is not the one, I will be getting myself a late 17" 2011 MBP and wait until the proper tock.
On a mid 2007 right now.

 

The funny thing about projections: Ivy Bridge was supposed to get at least twice the battery efficiency of Sandy Bridge. Meanwhile, the specs on MBAs and legacy MBPs have barely budged. 20%, MAYBE 50% sounds like the maximum realistically, but I still think we're pretty far off from full-day batteries.

I could very well be wrong, but changes in CS and CE are usually incremental. There are big upgrades, like C2D to iX processors (the Nehalem upgrade), but if you believe without reservation that battery lives are going to shoot up 3-4x from one micro arch change, I'm not quite sure I follow.

NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT HASWELL. IT COULD COME OUT IN THREE MONTHS OR FIVE YEARS. WE COULD GET YEARS OF BATTERY LIFE ON A SINGLE CHARGE OR NO UPGRADE WHATSOEVER.

It could even be endothermic, and cool off the surrounding area.

All we have is speculation, and you've pretty much seen it all here.