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Where do you live? Just wondering.

There are plenty of millennials who would work in the manufacturing. Take a car ride outside your bubble.

I think what he means is, and I agree, they way capitalism work, if you want to keep your nation healthy and rich as it was in the past, you can't expect to do it without continuous innovation. The wold economy landscape has changed, it's changing and it will keep changing. U.S.A. have become a global power (among other less noble reasons) because they build cars when other countries still earned their living with agriculture, and computers when other countries still earned their living building cars (that is just an example, obviously).

Study a bit the history of economy and capitalism, look outside of your country to see which other western countries had and keep having a good economy today, and what measures they have taken to maintain their status and you will see it's true.

That there are all those millennials that would work in manufacturing while your nation offer so many better alternatives, better in term of salaries, quality of life etc., it's part of the problem. And that's something China understands very well, Europe universities are full of Chinese scientist and researchers in any discipline, with their salaries founded by the Chinese government and institutions, because they know they can't rely on manufacturing forever. If your country strategy is to go back to manufacturing, prepare to become a Chinese colony in the future.
 
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Yes, that is the Adam Smith "Wealth of Nations" view. There's also the Mercantilist view which most everyone held to for centuries before Smith's treatise. The problem is so-called experts believe this to be an either/or kind of discussion. I don't as I think there's validity to both.

I lean toward Smith's view of the world but that's not the end of the story. For example, it's hard for anyone to convince me it's a Good Thing™ for the USA to assemble all of its vehicles in Mexico. In theory I suppose it could work but not everyone in the USA will be or can be an expert software engineer (as one example). We need a diversified economy that the government promotes so we can effectively employ people with all sorts of abilities.

We have, and will continue to have, such a diversified economy (i.e. employment situation). Lower skill tasks that move out are replaced with other lower skill tasks, not just by higher skill tasks. We have historically had people who are very good at designing productivity roles such that people can, without a great degree of skill, fill them - and that's true even if many of those lower skill productivity roles combine to produce things (or services) which, in their entirety, represent more productive skill. The greater skill needed, to the extent it is needed, is often supplied by the productivity role designers rather than the productivity role fillers.
 
As it should be.

America isn't a manufacturing economy. If China can make things cheaper, LET THEM.

Americans spend thousands of dollars publicly on each citizen to teach them things like calculus and fine arts and literature so that they DON'T have to do things like manual assembly labor.

How many millennials do you know are willing to work doing manual labor like picking strawberries or cleaning toilets or assembling houses? Nobody in America wants to do that at ANY price - and that's confirmed by employers having difficulty finding workers to fill those roles.

Let other unskilled people in countries do those kind of work. Let's open the borders so that low-skilled people can come in and do the manual labor that Americans don't want to do.

This is the optimum global economic strategy. I have no idea why Apple thought it was a good idea to manufacture in the US when it was obvious China (or other places in Asia) was a better option.
Agree. As to your question the reason is that “Made in the USA” is better marketing here than “Designed in Cupertino but Made in a China.” Not practical, but psychologically appealing.
 
As it should be.

America isn't a manufacturing economy. If China can make things cheaper, LET THEM.

Americans spend thousands of dollars publicly on each citizen to teach them things like calculus and fine arts and literature so that they DON'T have to do things like manual assembly labor.

How many millennials do you know are willing to work doing manual labor like picking strawberries or cleaning toilets or assembling houses? Nobody in America wants to do that at ANY price - and that's confirmed by employers having difficulty finding workers to fill those roles.

Let other unskilled people in countries do those kind of work. Let's open the borders so that low-skilled people can come in and do the manual labor that Americans don't want to do.

This is the optimum global economic strategy. I have no idea why Apple thought it was a good idea to manufacture in the US when it was obvious China (or other places in Asia) was a better option.
Don't you find your attitude worrying? Why can't someone be taught in "calculus and fine arts and literature" yet still be willing to do a manual job?
 
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All this story indicates to me is that Apple picked the wrong supplier. The first one could only produce 1,000 screws a day but the second could supply much greater than that. Both are in the United States.

So why didn't Apple research the suppliers more to find out exactly what they could produce? Obviously that second supplier was there all the time and Apple never called them until the product was delayed.

The teachable moment here is Apple needs better supplier scouts, that's all.

The second shop could produce similar screws in quantity, but they weren't the exact screws that apple needed.

When Mr. Melo bought Caldwell in 2002, it was capable of the high-volume production Apple needed. But demand for that had dried up as manufacturing moved to China. He said he had replaced the old stamping presses that could mass-produce screws with machines designed for more precise, specialized jobs. Mr. Melo thought it was ironic that Apple, a leader in offshore manufacturing, had come calling with a big order. “It’s hard to invest for that in the U.S. because that stuff is purchased very cheaply overseas,” he said. He made do with his new machines, although he could not make the exact screws Apple wanted. His company delivered 28,000 screws over 22 trips. Mr. Melo often made the one-hour drive himself in his Lexus sedan.
 
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Because, in general, people won't pay top dollar for some cheap tat, that looks like you could have made it yourself in your own garage.


More than likely, they were of a type of screw head that most users would not have tools to fit in order to prevent self-service. We had an original Apple Cinema 23" display fail recently. Taking it apart was trivial, and replacing the inverter board a simple task to restore it to operating condition. Try something like that with one of Apple's more recent devices.
 
Actually America is having harder times filling higher end jobs IE: engineering type positions.

Hence the waves of work visas from many countries. Specifically India.

It would be more accurate to say that Americans won't work for starvation wages.

No, there aren't.

This is confirmed by employers around the country finding it impossible to fill their labor jobs.

@$8.00 an hour. Fixed it for ya.

What makes you think your theories override actual confirmed cases throughout the country of employers being unable to find laborers?

Why do YOU think rural workers aren't going to where the jobs are?

Since I live in Rural 'Murika, I can tell you:
1. They can't unload their homes.
2. There is no social support system for the family.
3. They can't actually afford to move (try moving a few hundred miles sometime - I just did it and it wiped out my savings. Nearly 50% of Americans can't afford an unprogrammed bill of $400. Count up the required deposits alone.)
4. They lack the educational background necessary for the 21st Century - hard to get a technical education when the nearest VoTech school is 50 miles away, and the nearest 4 year University is 100 miles away.
 
As it should be.

America isn't a manufacturing economy. If China can make things cheaper, LET THEM.

Americans spend thousands of dollars publicly on each citizen to teach them things like calculus and fine arts and literature so that they DON'T have to do things like manual assembly labor.

How many millennials do you know are willing to work doing manual labor like picking strawberries or cleaning toilets or assembling houses? Nobody in America wants to do that at ANY price - and that's confirmed by employers having difficulty finding workers to fill those roles.

Let other unskilled people in countries do those kind of work. Let's open the borders so that low-skilled people can come in and do the manual labor that Americans don't want to do.

This is the optimum global economic strategy. I have no idea why Apple thought it was a good idea to manufacture in the US when it was obvious China (or other places in Asia) was a better option.

Someone needs to step out of his bubble for a bit.

I would bet the average Chinese citizen is better educated than it's North-American counterpart. It's not a matter of education but economics. Most of the world is now at a point where 'nobody wants to do these jobs', but someone will still have to do it - or automate it away.

You should also realize there is a recent resurgence in activities like farming, carpentry, brewing, baking, crafts etc. exactly because of how well-off the average citizen is even in 'third-world' countries, and how little enjoyment is found in common labour options. There are plenty of people willing to do some of these jobs for a decent pay (emphasis here). Eventually we either pay up for what labouring in terrible conditions is actually worth, make robots do it, or live with filthy toilets, either way the 'import cheap labour' solution has it's days counted :)
 
Please. The US is a powerhouse.

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Manufacturing jobs:
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that is more than 12,500,000 jobs.


I hope this was intended as sarcasm. China has over 60 million manufacturing jobs, and Apple alone is responsible for over 5 million. In addition, manufacturing jobs in the US are low tech (e.g., auto assembly, steel production). You could count the number of people manufacturing electronics on one hand.
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Wasn't it supposed to be "assembled in the USA"? Honestly, doesn't that just mean all the parts are gathered and put together in the USA?

No, he said manufactured.
 
This is a perfect example of why Apple's arrogance (demanding custom screws) drives the cost of their products sky high. You can't tell me that across the entire planet Apple could not have found a single "standard" screw that would have worked.

So your theory is that the person in charge of engineering the 2013 Mac Pro decided to use a special screw out of arrogance, and that everyone from that engineer up to Tim Cook himself agreed with that decision. Or is the theory that Tim Cook himself decided to use a special screw and override every person down the chain out of arrogance.

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The company I used to work for depended on local suppliers of very specific products for their manufacturing, so I've seen first hand how unavailability of parts can screw up you operations. I was sent off on many runs to get very specific part sizes for our systems. We had suppliers get backlogged on certain parts for weeks, and it sent management into scrambles to find new sources.

It seems like they moved Mac Pro production back to the US as a "feel good" move, and they didn't quite predict how bad the supply chain had changed.
 
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