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2013 MLB Season Thread

Moyank24 said:
No he didn't. He got caught AGAIN and in light of damning evidence, his people negotiated down what probably would have been a longer one.

He wouldn't have admitted anything had he not been caught up in this biogenesis thing. He'd still be insisting the anti-semitic cubs fan was out to get him. :rolleyes:
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I didn't realize that. I don't really follow baseball that much to begin with, and less in the past couple of years since I stopped watching ESPN. But he's just as bad as A-Rod.


The other stuff, we'll just agree to disagree on.

I will say this: Red Sox fans have to be delusional if they don't think steroids played a part in any of their championships. That's what's annoying about all of this - The A-Roid signs and the "looser" signs. If you are going to hate on one guy, you have to hate on them all. They are ALL cheating scumbags.
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Hey, we all know Manny was on the juice, but he was our guy. If A-Rod played for any other team other than the Yankees, he wouldn't get it nearly as bad from the people in Fenway as he did this past weekend. Guaranteed when Braun comes to Fenway the next time, he won't get it as bad. The fact remains that ALL 30 teams had guys over the years that juiced. Every team is just as guilty. I don't think Sox fans are trying to claim they were saints in the whole thing... we just hate A-Rod. He's a polarizing figure to begin with, and when he plays for the biggest rival, and you have the historical incidents (the infamous "purse slap", etc), it only fans the flames.
 
Moyank24 said:
played a part in any of their championships. That's what's annoying about all of this - The A-Roid signs and the "looser" signs. If you are going to hate on one guy, you have to hate on them all. They are ALL cheating scumbags.
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Are you saying all baseball players are cheating scumbags? Or all Red Sox are cheating scumbags?

And I honestly don't think any true, intelligent baseball fan is under any delusions that players on every team have and do juice. Our dislike of A-Rod is based on his attitude, his ridiculous/gross contract, his actions in the 2004 playoffs, his smug demeanor, the disingenuousness he displays constantly in interviews, etc etc. I mean, he basically stabbed Jeter in the back in a magazine interview, so there should be no love lost among Yankees fans either. He's is the supreme ruler of the douches. Him being a lying steroids snitch is just another thing to hurl at him, but it's not the reason we hate him, trust me.
 
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9...fined-hitting-alex-rodriguez-new-york-yankees

Dempster suspended for hitting A-Rod.

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Shrink said:
Source, please.
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Well considering Manny R. was suspended for PED

http://www.latimes.com/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,5978579.story

It wouldn't surprise me that he was doing it while he played in Boston.

Found that he did test positive while with the Sox:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Ramirez

"According to the New York Times, in 2003 Ramirez tested positive for performance enhancing drugs from the "survey" drug test, in which MLB players were tested to see if drugs were being used, but faced no penalties or sanction for testing positive.[13]"

Ortiz,

http://mlb.si.com/2013/08/07/david-ortiz-peds-biogenesis/

But they both did not do any suspension time, as it was the same as Manny R situation when he was at Boston in 2003.
 
Ortiz has had 10 years of no positive drug tests, I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt. I know people like to keep bringing up his name because he's the ultimate Red Sock, but those tests in 2003 never revealed what he tested positive for, and he's not had a single positive since.

And again, the reason we hate A-Rod has nothing to do with him being a steroid user. I'm not under any delusions or moral sanctimoniousness about steroids. I wish it wasn't in the sport because I fear what it does to human bodies long term, and if everyone agreed to just stop its use, the field would be level. That said, when you're caught, not acting like a d-bag is usually a good idea.
 
Queen of Spades said:
Are you saying all baseball players are cheating scumbags? Or all Red Sox are cheating scumbags?

And I honestly don't think any true, intelligent baseball fan is under any delusions that players on every team have and do juice. Our dislike of A-Rod is based on his attitude, his ridiculous/gross contract, his actions in the 2004 playoffs, his smug demeanor, the disingenuousness he displays constantly in interviews, etc etc. I mean, he basically stabbed Jeter in the back in a magazine interview, so there should be no love lost among Yankees fans either. He's is the supreme ruler of the douches. Him being a lying steroids snitch is just another thing to hurl at him, but it's not the reason we hate him, trust me.
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I meant everyone that has tested positive for steroids. Especially recently. Melky tried to make a fake website to cover himself. We know what Braun did, etc... Treating A Rod differently because he's a d-bag doesn't make sense to me.

Believe me, I know why people don't like him. The steroids just make it worse. I've hated the guy forever, so I get it. I also realize that the fact that he plays for the Yankees makes it 1000 times worse.

I guess it's just frustrating that the guy is on our team right now. We are stuck between our hatred for him and trying to back him as much as we can while he's still wearing pinstripes. I've been watching Joe Girardi for more than a decade - as a player and a manager - and I've never, ever seen him more angry than he was on Sunday (same for Brett Gardner). He and the rest of the guys seem to be caught in the middle as well. No doubt they can't stand him either, but as long as he's on the team I don't think they have much of a choice.

I can't wait until he goes away. The Yankees should have to eat his ridiculous contract for being stupid enough to give it to him.

Queen of Spades said:
Ortiz has had 10 years of no positive drug tests, I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt. I know people like to keep bringing up his name because he's the ultimate Red Sock, but those tests in 2003 never revealed what he tested positive for, and he's not had a single positive since.

And again, the reason we hate A-Rod has nothing to do with him being a steroid user. I'm not under any delusions or moral sanctimoniousness about steroids. I wish it wasn't in the sport because I fear what it does to human bodies long term, and if everyone agreed to just stop its use, the field would be level. That said, when you're caught, not acting like a d-bag is usually a good idea.
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Well, for what it's worth, A-Rod hasn't failed a test either. ;)

And, frankly, A-Rod is a d-bag. I just don't think he knows any other way to act. He certainly hasn't helped himself and it amazes me he can't even fake not being one. It reminds me of Roger Clemens. Another d-bag who continued to act like a d-bag in the face of overwhelming evidence. They both need to ****, admit what they've done, apologize, and then disappear.
 
So like him or not but A-Rod is helping the Yankees and Cano right now, 7 back.
 
Queen of Spades said:
Ortiz has had 10 years of no positive drug tests, I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt. I know people like to keep bringing up his name because he's the ultimate Red Sock, but those tests in 2003 never revealed what he tested positive for, and he's not had a single positive since.
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I believe Ortiz has said before he thinks the positive came from some sketchy nutrition supplements from the DR. Pretty ridiculous that MLB never even said what the test was positive for... just another thing that makes their whole witch hunt a complete joke.
 
Congrats to Ichiro on his 4,000th hit.
 
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Braves will miss Heyward
His move to the leadoff slot gave them a huge spark and he was really coming on
Will miss his defense as well

Tough break taking one to the face like that
Brutal to watch the replay
 
MacDawg said:
It is an ESPN/media stat
I think he is a great hitter, but nobody recognizes stats like that :rolleyes:
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The Yankees are pushing the record for ratings and to sell memorabilia. Sure it is a great personal achievement but it should stay as such. It should not get mixed in with official records.

You can't call him rookie of the year and then add in his Japan numbers.
 
MacNut said:
The Yankees are pushing the record for ratings and to sell memorabilia. Sure it is a great personal achievement but it should stay as such. It should not get mixed in with official records.
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I agree, but when they have so little positive to talk about they have to do something :rolleyes:
Misdirection and deflection

Unfortunately, some only read the headlines and don't understand the distinction
So yes, the lines do get blurred
 
I wish the guy success but never against the Giants. If LA goes all the way it would be nice to see him be an important part of that run. Kershaw looks unstoppable and like the '08-'09 Lincecum. He is basically LA's freak and that type of pitching can't last that long. The throwing just from elbow and wrist can work for some only in younger years but it's a recipe for a surgery. At some point you have to also use your hips and legs, too.
 
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The most profitable team in Baseball is... yes that's right the Houston Astros.

The Astros are on pace to rake in an estimated $99 million in operating income this season. That is nearly as much as the estimated operating income of the previous six World Series championship teams — combined.

Yet the Astros are 43-86, worst in the majors. Of the 270 Major League Baseball teams who have taken the field since 2005, none have finished with a worse winning percentage than Houston’s.

They have become so profitable thanks to slashed payroll expenses and soaring television revenues.

Since becoming the Astros’ owner in 2011, Crane has gutted the team of its most expensive players while building up the farm system. Over the course of this season, the team will pay its players an estimated $21 million in salary and bonuses. That is down $56 million from 2011, when Crane bought the team.

The Astros opened this season with a league-low $26 million active payroll and have since cut it to under $13 million, according to the Houston Chronicle. Houston traded or released four of its five players making over $1 million.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex...lls-worst-team-is-most-profitable-in-history/

I guess we can stop calling the Pirates the cheapest team in baseball now.
 
quagmire said:
Difference is the Astro's are just starting the rebuilding process. They tore the team down to rebuild it as an AL team. In a few years lets see if they are being cheap....

And at least it isn't Loria....
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I think he is just a cheap owner. He knew he was moving to the AL and signed a TV deal, that gave him enough money to be competitive from the get go.
 
MacNut said:
I think he is just a cheap owner. He knew he was moving to the AL and signed a TV deal, that gave him enough money to be competitive from the get go.
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Honestly, I'm not sure that's the truth.

First off, he was basically forced into moving to the AL - it was a condition of the sale. He got some bucks off the price as a result, but it wasn't exactly what he wanted. Especially since he's in the AL West. Games here against the Angels and Mariners start at 9pm, and that is something that the fans were extremely frustrated with.

The team that was in place before he bought the team would not have been competitive had he gone out and signed a few big time free agents. Look what Josh Hamilton has (not) done for the Angels. And the Angels actually had a good roster on paper. What other big time free agent was available that would have had any impact? It would have taken 5 or 6.

McLane lost interest in the team after the World Series in '05 and after their big guys retired (Bagwell / Biggio). They started trading away all of their decent players - even young guys like Bourn and Pence - under his ownership. The prospects they got back (especially for Oswalt) didn't do the things in the majors they were expected (Brett Wallace).

So, the thought was waste money on free agents when the team has no shot or save the money, develop the young guys and see what you have, so you can spend the money in a few years when you have a chance to be competitive. Using Josh Hamilton as an example, had they signed him he would have been in the old and worthless portion of the contract when they finally reached the point of being able to compete. Then he would just be a waste of money.

As frustrating as I know it's been for the Astros fans here, I think they're doing it the right way. Their prospects are starting to really develop and if they continue on that pace in a few years they'll have a really nice base which they can then fill in with free agents. He understands (at least he says he does) that he's going to have to spend money to maintain the fan base. This is a football town first, and they have to compete with the Texans during the summer also.

And, oy vey, that TV deal is a mess. They own the new station with the Houston Rockets and have been in a dispute with cable providers here (only comcast broadcasts the channel so far). This means that only about 30% of the city actually has access to the Astros and Rockets games. And this after a season in which the Rockets made the playoffs. Thinking is that it will finally be worked out before this basketball season starts (so everyone can see Dwight Howard), but they said that last season as well (when they got Harden). So, while they do have their own network, it's been a big bag of mess so far.
 
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MacNut said:
I think he is just a cheap owner. He knew he was moving to the AL and signed a TV deal, that gave him enough money to be competitive from the get go.
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except for the Dodgers, the top teams in the MLB have the lower payrolls in the sport. Pirates are #1 and they are only at $66 million
 
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