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HP/liter/smaller displacement doesn't mean a car is more fuel efficient. As posted a few pages back, the Camaro SS and Mustang GT both get 19 MPG combined. The Corvette is also one of the most efficient vehicles in its class compared to other V8 powered sports cars.
HP/liter is USELESS. Choose a car that better suites you on its merit. Not because one cars engine makes 100 HP/liter over the other cars 80 HP/liter. That 80 HP/liter car could still be superior in MEANINGFUL measurement( power, fuel efficiency, etc).
A huge displacement push-rod engine that provides tons of low end torque, provides excellent fuel economy, and is VERY powerful and easy to modify.
So the 7.0 must be even worse right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6EiNFiLhV0
Man, not bad for a primitive pushrod engine, in a car that will beat a Ferrari 430 around a track, for 1/3rd the price. And gets almost 30MPG on the highway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZlGMX8G3B4
Oh no! A big lazy pushrod American ZR1 vette, despite a big displacement lazy engine...it trounces cars that cost 4 times as much. How much did HP/Liter help those prissy European cars? And the GTR?
It helped them see tail lights.
It will also trounce those cars in the bends.
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Indeed, 19 MPG is great for those cars.
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1st off, why does fuel efficiency even matter? When you run out of gas, you just buy more. The worst MPG Ive ever got was in a Dodge Ram SRT10 Truck, Viper engine. 8mpg, it was exactly the same as a car that gets 40mpg, when the tank runs dry you just buy more.
And displacement has nothing to do with fuel efficiency in most cases.
Why does a 7.0 liter Z06 manage better MPG than a 3.6 Liter 911?
Probably because daily driving an 8mpg car would get pretty ugly financially for some people. Then again, someone that bought an SRT truck new probably could've afforded the gas bill.
The strangest thing I've seen people do is trade in a car for one with better gas mileage to save money. In the end, it's usually cheaper to stick with the less efficient car unless your daily commute is 100 miles and you're driving an.. srt10 pickup, actually.
I have to pick that specific example because diesel pickups usually aren't that atrocious on gas mileage. Shoot, I've heard of the giant repulsive ones managing to get ~20mpg freeway! Don't ask me how... I have no idea.
At the end of the day most people buy cars as a package. I don't think it's a specific performance stat, rather whether you feel the car as a package fits you or not. Is it something you feel good driving? Do you feel good being seen in it? Did you get it for such a steal that you don't care WHAT it looks like?
Even base model Civic DXes probably appeal to someone for a particular reason.
Now here's the weird part: I like camaros and chargers, challengers and corvettes, 300Cs and Audis, shoot I'd probably even like a BMW if it was mine.
I dunno.. I'd rather have an Audi than a BMW, I think. hmm...
It's just the aesthetics though :]
The strangest thing I've seen people do is trade in a car for one with better gas mileage to save money. In the end, it's usually cheaper to stick with the less efficient car unless your daily commute is 100 miles and you're driving an.. srt10 pickup, actually.
I have to pick that specific example because diesel pickups usually aren't that atrocious on gas mileage. Shoot, I've heard of the giant repulsive ones managing to get ~20mpg freeway! Don't ask me how... I have no idea.
At the end of the day most people buy cars as a package. I don't think it's a specific performance stat, rather whether you feel the car as a package fits you or not. Is it something you feel good driving? Do you feel good being seen in it? Did you get it for such a steal that you don't care WHAT it looks like?
Even base model Civic DXes probably appeal to someone for a particular reason.
Now here's the weird part: I like camaros and chargers, challengers and corvettes, 300Cs and Audis, shoot I'd probably even like a BMW if it was mine.
I dunno.. I'd rather have an Audi than a BMW, I think. hmm...
It's just the aesthetics though :]
BMW has certainly fallen back to earth with their vehicles. They're driving machines...at the expense of everything else you want in a car.
And they are losing their way in trying to give what some people want in a car. The F10 and F30 are softer. The F10 M5 is also softer. I would rather buy the Cadillac ATS over the F30 3 series despite the wonderful engine in the 335i.
BMW will fall back to Earth when they abandon what made a BMW the ultimate driving machine( which they are slowly doing with every generation).
You can't get a person who would buy a Lexus to buy a BMW. A Lexus driver is looking for something completely different than what BMW offers. Mercedes tries to offer something similar, but they are still about highway cruising. Audi, Cadillac(somewhat), and Infiniti are the only serious players in trying to get BMW drivers. BMW should be worried about them because they are going after the BMW type of the luxury market.
BMW has nothing to worry about because they're doing what a car company is supposed to be doing - selling lots of cars at a high markup. And in the markets where it's really going to matter over the next decade or two, they're doing it much better than everyone else other than Audi.
You nailed it on the head. The crazy part to me is that the roundel has an early 2000s Apple-type fanbase where people won't even consider other cars. They're not that great anymore. Their competitors in the same class offer better efficiency and better interiors, while the newcomers like Cadillac can offer real power at a lower price.
They don't sell a lot of cars. They lease a lot of cars. That is what BMW lives on. The cost to maintain one is ridiculous once you're outside the maintenance coverage. If people bought them, you would quickly see them abandon BMW. Despite how well they drove, they couldn't afford to maintain it.
I don't mind getting a BMW even if the competition has better interiors and slightly better fuel economy if they were still the best driving vehicles out there, IMHO. But, that isn't the case anymore. As I said in that post, I would rather get the Cadillac ATS now. That is the best driving vehicle right now, IMHO. And due to the maintenance costs of BMW's, my dad is looking to buy the ATS to replace his E90 335xi when the time comes. The only thing the ATS is missing in my opinion from its driving experience is the engine. Not saying the 3.6 V6 that is in it is bad. It's a great engine, but it can't beat the N54 that is in the 335xi.
Looks like the ATS-V is going to have a twin-turbo V6 making 380 hp, so as not to cannibalize the CTS-V. I will look at that car with extreme interest if my A4 keeps giving me problems.
Are you kidding? BMW has had record global sales for the past few years running.
And the bank/company/dealership that you lease from owns the car.
Having said that America is one of places you cannot get and entry level BMW
I'm not kidding. Most of BMW's sales are leases or the cheap models of 318's, 320's, etc. BMW's may have a marked up MSRP, but their lease rates are very good and affordable for a lot of buyers.
100 euro a month for a 118 4Dr with 4000 euro down 36 months 12,000Km a year..
189 euro a month for a 318 kombi with 4000 euro down 36 months 12,000KM a year..
yessir good lease deals by my wife doesn't want a BMW, she wants a Crossover SUV
That is unrealistic. The entire structure is aluminum, it uses carbon fiber extensively, etc. Very expensive materials to use.
I suggest to get a Camaro SS 1LE if you want a decent performance coupe for that kind of price.....
The base model has been $55k for a while now. I think its reasonable.
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Top of the line Camero ZL1 is $65k. The thing is a beast.
Yeah it is, but he wants something for about $35,000. A Camaro SS 1LE will fit the bill perfectly.
