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Apple's becoming a fashion and accessory company and dumping the engineering prowess. I've been using Apple products since the Apple II and us long timers are pissed off at the direction Apple is taking.

I really don't have any sympathetic feelings for "long timers" that just keep on turning the crank of their career until retirement. Apple was founded on changing the world and that also ment your workflow.

When Steve came back to Apple, his crew from NeXT did a hard eval of Apple's assests and determined the most value was their the brand and image.

From that, Apple has been a fashion company with computing technology as it's medium. The hardcore techincal types have taken a backseat driving the company product line since the release of the iMac. I laughed out loud when one techie I know screamed, "Why so many different colors? They all do the same thing."

Though history aesthetics have lead societies. Don't like Apple's direction, build a Linux box and let someone else get dates using the latest fashion from Apple.
 
MS is always going to be way more likely bend over backwards to please when it comes to supporting older kit. Don't matter how old the machine if the license money they get is still fresh :)

Sorta, but not quite. MS does have a better track record of keeping things backwards compatible than Apple does, but even they draw the line at some point. For instance, The 64-bit flavor of Windows 8.1 (and thus, by default, 10) won't support processors older than the later rev Core2Duos due to them lacking some instruction set or another on the processor.
 
Agree with most of this post, but the last bit is way off base. Steve Jobs has advocated for closed up non-user accessible computers since the original Apple I. Wozniak won out until the original Mac, which was completely non-user upgradeable, and required an authorised Apple tech. to make any repairs.

Soooooooo...let's stop romanticising the past, please?

I'm referring to the downgrade. You're right about Jobs liking welded-shut computers, but he never oversaw the downgrade of model line that I'm aware of.

Instead of sustaining Apple's loyal user base, Cook is exploiting them. That's what I mean by the Compaq mentality.
 
Though history aesthetics have lead societies. Don't like Apple's direction, build a Linux box and let someone else get dates using the latest fashion from Apple.

Does my iMac turn you on, baby? It's : pregnant pause : retina. 5k resolution, nearly triple that of : licks lips : standard HD. The ram is : runs fingers across lips : soldered to the logic board. Integrated GPU from : breathy sigh : Intel. The curves? The profile? Thin. Milled aluminium. The sex appeal? Undeniable.

When we make love, do you think of me, or do you think of my Apple. That's not a euphemism : sly wink :
 
Ultimately one can take any machine that is no longer supported by the Apple/MS duopoly, toss Linux on it, and get at least another 5 years of good use. I wish we could do that with phones too, especially since they cost as much as our even more than computers and are being purposely and forcefully obseleted so quickly!
 
I really don't have any sympathetic feelings for "long timers" that just keep on turning the crank of their career until retirement. Apple was founded on changing the world and that also ment your workflow.

When Steve came back to Apple, his crew from NeXT did a hard eval of Apple's assests and determined the most value was their the brand and image.

From that, Apple has been a fashion company with computing technology as it's medium. The hardcore techincal types have taken a backseat driving the company product line since the release of the iMac. I laughed out loud when one techie I know screamed, "Why so many different colors? They all do the same thing."

Though history aesthetics have lead societies. Don't like Apple's direction, build a Linux box and let someone else get dates using the latest fashion from Apple.

Steve's NeXT team introduced OS X, a technological achievement unmatched by any other computer company in decades. They went on to create such technological masterpieces as the iOS. Don't sell Steve Jobs era Apple short by describing them as a fashion company - they were a tech company, just not "tech" in the conventional sense of hardware tech with an afterthought OS slapped on it. Jobs understood exactly what tech mattered to the user experience.

Oh and Jobs oversaw the unimaginably smooth transition from PPC to x86. If that wasn't a hardcore technological move I don't know what is.
 
Go with the old?

Hello MacRumors community,
I too was disappointed with the MacMini announcement. I had been waiting and waiting and waiting to get one as a desktop replacement for my aging 2007 black Macbook hooked up to a monitor, keyboard, and trackpad. I was planning on buying a new Mini and upgrading both RAM and hard drive (SSD for OS with second spinning drive). I do not do any photo/video editing, but I was hoping to future proof as much as possible.
So I am looking for advice.
I have access to purchasing previous generation Mac Minis:
2.5GHz Intel i5 4GB 500GB storage for $479
2.3GHz Intel i7 4GB 1TB storage for $679.
Those prices are the same as the upcoming models (Education pricing) that will have better graphics and more RAM in the higher model. BUT, as has been stated here MANY times, the old models are upgradable and the higher model is quad-core.
So what would you do?
I look forward to some lively discussion;)
Thanks,
RJ
 
Ultimately one can take any machine that is no longer supported by the Apple/MS duopoly, toss Linux on it, and get at least another 5 years of good use. I wish we could do that with phones too, especially since they cost as much as our even more than computers and are being purposely and forcefully obseleted so quickly!

I'd rather build a Hackintosh than run Linux. About the same amount of effort but you get to run OS X.
 
Yes. Interestingly, the last 3 TVs I've taken apart failed because of cold solder joints on the power supply assembly for the backlight, and from 3 different companies, so go figure. Refrigerator compressors are so easy to replace and such a common task, it's practically routine maintenance. Do you throw out your microwave when the lightbulb burns out?:rolleyes:

When my espresso maker failed, it really wasn't that hard to replace the thermal fuse, thought I did have to take *gasp* off the cover and ended up buying a crimping tool for the new fuse.

I'm a firm believer of the saying that if you can't open it, you don't own it.

It depends on the product, the problem and what the mfg recommends. Any time you go outside what the mfg recommends, you set yourself up for failure unless you have a LOT of experience and background in that industry.

You only bought the product, but the mfg has replacement parts, certified and trained service technicians and they have warranties, service contracts to service the part for the best customer satisfaction. If you aren't trained in how to fix a particular model product, are using proper procedures, certified replacement parts, then you have just opened yourself up for failure and stop blaming the mfg because you went outside THEIR recommended service policies.

How many customers are Apple Care technicians that use proper tools, procedures, and certified replacement parts? Probably a almost NO ONE does that.

Mfg of computer products have to figure out how to best service a product. Do you do all of your own work on your car, or do you take it into a qualified service center? Do you do your own engine rebuilds? Most car owners don't. Most car owners aren't trained mechanics, with proper tools, read the service bullitins, etc.

Ownership doesn't just automatically grant you the expertise in fixing it. It just indicates that you have taken title of the product. It also does''t mean you are instantly an expert in the product either.

For REAL corporations that buy large quantities of computers, typically buy service contracts from the mfg and they let the mfg do all of the servicing. Just like people buy copiers and have the copier serviced by a trained professional. Yeah, you can replace the toner cartridge, but that's a consumable type item.

Did you go through the service technician training when you bought your computer? NOPE. So, buying a computer doesn't give that expertise. So why are tying to act like you have that?

I've always had better luck with products where I bought the extended warranty and only used certified parts from the mfg. and had THEM do replacement of faulty components. I have sent computers back to Apple only 3 times since I started using Apple computers back in 1977. Every time I used a 3rd party RAM or HDD that wasn't an Apple part or a certified 3rd party, which most of them aren't, I had problems.

I repaired my own 7 year old iMac following iFixit, and they had the wrong procedures posted and it was for a slightly different model, so the drive they spec'd out was wrong, and the procedures were wrong. it ended up costing more more by the time I got the tools, the parts, the correct parts and all of the time involved. I should have just dumped the computer and bought a new one. I will never use iFixit to tell me how to repair an old 7 year old computer. Sometimes, they get it wrong too. So, in that case, i would have spent less money if I just had Apple do the repairs. Lesson learned. Don't always go for what you think is the cheapest route to fix something.
 
I last met a person who upgraded his computer four years ago. Upgradability on computers, removable battery on phones & memory cards on tablets are interesting perhaps to less than 1% of the market.

Some people really need to stop trying to conserve technology products for ages and get a new device when the time comes, just like the rest of us. In 2014 tech products are designed to be easy to manufacture & be thrown away when their time comes. Deal with it :cool:

You're right. Everyone has an endless supply of money and throwing away a whole computer is excellent for the environment. :rolleyes:
 
From my experience and observation, when a person's computer feels sluggish they either ask someone they know personally (me) why or ask Geek Squad or an Apple Genius. Usually the answer is to simply upgrade the RAM (or have someone switch it to an SSD).

If the Mac Mini is supposed to be a gateway for PC owners to switch to Mac, they're not going to like it when the answer becomes "get a new computer, this Mac can't be upgraded". General non-techy consumers buy PCs mostly because they are cheap. I'm sure they'll enjoy being told that if they had a PC still, they could have upgraded it, but now they have to buy a new Mac which is also more expensive than they're used to.

So the argument that regular consumers don't care about soldered RAM doesn't hold water IMO.

This is besides the fact that Apple knows the Mac Mini is used for more than entry-level computing for first-time Mac users. They offered a model specifically aimed at running it as a small server. Naturally they wanted (and got) quad-core CPUs and upgraded their own RAM as needed.

Apple has simply decided that they no longer care about these segments of their market.
 
Wouldn't a $499 mac mini have lower total cost of ownership than a pc.

  • Uses less electricity
  • has free photo software
  • has free music software
  • has free spreadsheet software
  • has free presentation software
  • has free word processor software
  • has free movie software
  • has free os upgrades
  • has higher resale value
  • has lower support costs, less chance of viruses
  • free genius support

PC has a ******** of freeware.
 
Ultimately one can take any machine that is no longer supported by the Apple/MS duopoly, toss Linux on it, and get at least another 5 years of good use. I wish we could do that with phones too, especially since they cost as much as our even more than computers and are being purposely and forcefully obseleted so quickly!

Why use a computer that's using 7 year old technology? That doesn't make sense? Apple typically supports computers for about 7 years for hardware and software support. That's typically the end of a typical lifespan for ANY computer. Why use obsolete outdated hardware just to squeeze a few more years out of it?

HDDs, SSDs, RAM, etc. have what's called MTBF. They aren't meant to last much more than maybe 7 years based on the original MTBF ratings, the cheaper parts usually have lower MTBF and the more expensive parts have longer MTBF. It's just the nature of high tech components.

The typical lifespan is 3 years for ownership. once you go past 3 years, your computer may become less reliable because those drives start wearing out...

Most well run companies don't keep computers much longer than 3 years unless they can get extended service contracts past the 3 year mark. Otherwise, they just simply replace the computers after the 3 year service contract is up. I've been in the corporate reseller world and best practice approach to computer ownership is getting a 3 year service contract, and replacing the computer every 3 years. If you go outside these parameters, it can end up costing more in down time and lost productivity.
 
Apple have just given people the choice of a 16gb iPhone base model which no one really wants, unless they are desperate. 16gb is pretty useless these days so people are forced to buy the more expensive model.

They have now done something like this with the iMac and now the mac mini. 4gb ram, seriously??

All of these new models are still expensive, but not really up to the job and not that future proof. Its like they are trying to scoop up anyone desperate enough to get on the apple bandwagon.

I love Apple products but I feel they really know how to milk their customers. It does leave me with a bad taste in my mouth...
 
PC has a ******** of freeware.

yeah, but you have to spend a lot of time researching what that Freeware is, getting it and having it be good quality freeware. Most of these 3rd party Freeware apps suck. I stopped using most of them because their support and updates to make it consistently work is a crap shoot. Some are better at it than others. But Apple is a Top Tier mfg and they have a support system to rely on.

I would put Apple's applications up against any 3rd party freeware any day of the week. they provide constant updates, they have a phone support, or you can walk into an Apple store to get training or support if you need it.

Most Freeware you get on the open market is junk ware. I haven't run into that much that I would recommend for a production environment.

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It's worth running Linux just to check out what Apple will ape from Gnome 3 next.

Linux is only meant more for computer geeks that spend most of their time playing with their computer rather than using it as a productivity tool. Seriously, Linux isn't a good solution for the majority of the computer using society.

It's great to use to design a custom, specific application. But for general use by the masses? Yeah right. The average consumer would be lost using Linux. It's more of a hobbyist OS when you look at general purpose OSs.

If you use a version of Linux that you get phone support, like Red Hat, you have to pay $300 a year for the license and support contract. Plus they can't run a lot of mainstream apps.

Linux just isn't a mainstream consumer based OS platform. It's great for servers, and speciality applications where you have a supported version of Linux, but they charge BUCKS for that. $300 a year isn't cheap.
 
Why use a computer that's using 7 year old technology? That doesn't make sense? Apple typically supports computers for about 7 years for hardware and software support. That's typically the end of a typical lifespan for ANY computer. Why use obsolete outdated hardware just to squeeze a few more years out of it?


Why stop using a computer if it still does what you need it to do? Throwing away perfectly good hardware that meets your needs makes no sense for your bank account and for the environment.

On one hand Apple are doing all sorts of extremely green things, like the aluminium case of the Mac mini, and on the other hand they creates throwaway hardware that goes into a landfill instead of being upgraded to last longer, like the 2014 Mac mini.

If they at least could have their RAM upgraded, even via special Apple-only RAM modules because nobody makes LPDDR3 SODIMMs, at least it could still be upgraded.
 
sucuh a terrible analogy I laughed.

RAM is a non-cosmetic, integral component of a computer.

A hubcap is to make steel rims not look like steel rims.

it would be more akin to a car company saying "you can never replace the rubber on your tires, just buy a new car".

Well if you cant get the hubcaps off, good luck replacing those tires :rolleyes:
 
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