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2015 Formula 1 Thread

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Melrose said:
So super awesome that both McLarens came home in the points, and for Alonso to not only place fifth but ahead of both Mercedes.... this is a super awesome to see. :D
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I'm so happy for McLaren. It's great for F1 if Honda has success to encourage multiple engine manufacturers to join the fold. It's great there are 4 now.
 
Melrose said:
No, I think Vettel's the winner today. :p Starting on pole and dropping back only to finish claw your way back to first isn't unheard of... finishing outside the top five is actually kind of a poor showing; It illustrates that while he may have a better car, he's not necessarily such an all conquering driver; couldn't even beat that last Toro Rosso and a McLaren? :D
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Vettel is definitely the winner. Hamilton can't let that happen again.
 
AustinIllini said:
Vettel is definitely the winner. Hamilton can't let that happen again.
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Actually looking at the points gap, he can!

But it was a great race today. Lots going on. The SC certainly helped the later stages.
It's true the Mercedes seem to struggle when following other cars. It seems when it's warmer, the Ferrari's seem to do better. With lots of other hot races coming up, it could make the rest of the season interesting.
 
Apple fanboy said:
Actually looking at the points gap, he can!

But it was a great race today. Lots going on. The SC certainly helped the later stages.
It's true the Mercedes seem to struggle when following other cars. It seems when it's warmer, the Ferrari's seem to do better. With lots of other hot races coming up, it could make the rest of the season interesting.
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The bold is irrational. He let Vettel get closer. This weekend was a disaster for Mercedes.
 
AustinIllini said:
The bold is irrational. He let Vettel get closer. This weekend was a disaster for Mercedes.
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It's already clear that Mercedes isn't the powerhouse they were last year; the leading team, yes - dominant, not at all.

A couple more less than ideal weekends and you have a fun title challenge to watch. I hope this weekend wasn't the oddball for McLaren-Honda - I mean, that it's actually the result of the car and it's performance and they don't suddenly nose dive (again). If they can keep up this kind of racing, and progress, they'll be great again.

I didn't think a race could get better than Canada last year... but this was a fun weekend. Awesome to see McLaren do so well, and the icing no the cake is Lewis being on top Friday and Saturday and then fall apart and have a snit (like he does) when the lights go out.
 
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Apple fanboy said:
But sadly because he got help, he wasn't able to get back out there. Silly rule really. He should have been commended for not holding up qualifying by just walking off.
Of course this is assuming the car was able to. And sadly it wouldn't have made much difference to the overall result.
I hope Honda get it sorted soon, for both McLarens drivers. They deserve better.
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Funny how a lot of the marshals, everyone started wanting to push it. I don't mean it in a bad way. Just observing how everyone started to join in. Like he was forming a push army. :D
 
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Melrose said:
It's already clear that Mercedes isn't the powerhouse they were last year; the leading team, yes - dominant, not at all.

A couple more less than ideal weekends and you have a fun title challenge to watch. I hope this weekend wasn't the oddball for McLaren-Honda - I mean, that it's actually the result of the car and it's performance and they don't suddenly nose dive (again). If they can keep up this kind of racing, and progress, they'll be great again.

I didn't think a race could get better than Canada last year... but this was a fun weekend. Awesome to see McLaren do so well, and the icing no the cake is Lewis being on top Friday and Saturday and then fall apart and have a snit (like he does) when the lights go out.
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Agreed with all of this. Like I said before, F1 is better off with multiple engine manufacturers. Ferrari has had a lot of success, Renault has had a lot of success, and Mercedes (obviously) has had a lot of success. Hopefully this iteration of Honda can have success.
 
Melrose said:
It's already clear that Mercedes isn't the powerhouse they were last year; the leading team, yes - dominant, not at all.

A couple more less than ideal weekends and you have a fun title challenge to watch. I hope this weekend wasn't the oddball for McLaren-Honda - I mean, that it's actually the result of the car and it's performance and they don't suddenly nose dive (again). If they can keep up this kind of racing, and progress, they'll be great again.

I didn't think a race could get better than Canada last year... but this was a fun weekend. Awesome to see McLaren do so well, and the icing no the cake is Lewis being on top Friday and Saturday and then fall apart and have a snit (like he does) when the lights go out.
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while i love the sentiment, i think the facts dispute that. they very clearly are still as dominant if not more so.

a great start for ferrari, a fluke start if you will, and then add to that some spastic driving doesn't make them automatically make them less dominant. more or less the same thing for the British GP. this race uncontrollable circumstances wouldn't let them race(i.e. pit strategy) themselves back into the points. if nico and spewie don't clash on that first lap lewie probably could have gotten on the podium.

again, i wish you were 100% correct.
 
pachyderm said:
while i love the sentiment, i think the facts dispute that. they very clearly are still as dominant if not more so.

a great start for ferrari, a fluke start if you will, and then add to that some spastic driving doesn't make them automatically make them less dominant. more or less the same thing for the British GP. this race uncontrollable circumstances wouldn't let them race(i.e. pit strategy) themselves back into the points. if nico and spewie don't clash on that first lap lewie probably could have gotten on the podium.

again, i wish you were 100% correct.
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My point wasn't that they don't have the top car - that's obviously just a castle in the sky right now - just that last year they just took off into the distance and making a mistake wasn't such a big deal for the lead they had; they had free pitstops at some points. This year Ferrari, particularly Vettel, have been right there; Having both Ferrari and the Willies beat them into the first corner twice in a row now is, for me, proof the Mercs aren't as unreachable as 2014. They're being kept much more honest this year I think.

Vettel's taken #1 twice so far, with both Mercs still running - and mistakes or not, that didn't happen last year unless there was catastrophic failure for a Mercedes car. :)
 
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Mercedes have made poor starts at the last two races.
From the next race drivers won't be getting the same level of assistance at the start as they have been with clutch settings etc.
it will be interesting to see if this helps the Mercs or the opposition.
But no one wants to see one team dominant, so hopefully Ferrari and Williams and the rest will continue to make progress.
 
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Well, being a Ferrari fan, I am delighted at the steps they have taken this year. But they are still behind Mercedes quite a bit I think. But the inner fight between Hamilton and Rosberg is helping, especially when one takes the other off the track!
 
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Hungary was an entertaining race with the start and safety car. Mercedes is miles ahead of the entire field but their decision making is mind boggling. Why Rosberg wanted the same tyres as Lewis for the last stint I don't get (obviously he was going to get blown away) and the choices Lewis was making on track were strange. But with 20 laps left Lewis was 12th, then he received a penalty and still finishes 6th. Mercedes performance is too much. Ferrari have made "strides" but they're no different than where they've been since 2009 - 2nd or 3rd best constructor.

I think Mercedes is really smart. When they were dominating early on, everyone was calling for drastic rule changes. Now that the races are artificially closer, those calls have died down. If they can throw Ferrari and Red Bull another bone or two this season, they'll blow everyone away again in 2016.
 
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We could really do with some rain tomorrow (forecast) to make this a great race. Otherwise I suspect the Mercs will just drive off into the distance.
Over a second quicker than the rest.
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Merc never showed their full pace except once or twice in the first half. They will come out swinging in Belgium and Italy before reining it back in to keep the viewers happy. No one is even close to that package.
 
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So I can't see the weather helping today, but it will be interesting to watch the start. Now the drivers have less assistance from the pit wall at the start, we can see who can do it on their own.
A safety car is quite likely, so even if the Mercs do drive off into the distance, the chances are they will get bunched up later on.
Good luck McLaren. The only way is up the grid. Just as well you no longer get a stop go for the extra places you are penalised for. With a record 105 places, they might not have started until half way through!
 
So it looks like Nico normally gets a lot of help at the starts then!
What idiot at Williams doesn't know white from yellow then?
The handling of soft at front and hard at the back could be interesting.
Good run from Perez and Ricardo.
 
Despite the obvious dominance of the Mercs, still a good race. Well done to Grosjean for a well deserved podium. Also much needed for the Lotus team given their financial issues.
Vettel tried to take those tyres just too far. He really should have got out of the way once his tyre blow. He could easily have taken out a competitor.
I think Grosjean would have had him anyway.
Nico did well to recover second after a poor start, but tbh half the field could have finished second (or better) in that car.
 
Should be interesting if Red Bull switches to Ferrari. I'm convinced if the Red Bulls were to switch to Mercedes power, that team would rival the Mercedes team, itself. For that reason, I don't see that happening. I fully expect Red Bull Ferrari in 2017.
 
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