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2015 Formula 1 Thread

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Well it went a little wrong in the pit stop stage for Williams.
Now it looks like the good old British weather will be a deciding factor. I'm about an hour away from Silverstone, and it looks like rain any minute.
 
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Cracking race to watch. Lots of action.
Inspirational call on the tyres from Lewis.
Shame for the Williams boys. I'm suprised they didn't split their strategy on the tyres.
Wet racing really doesn't suit their set up.
 
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...am I the only one who thinks Mercedes should get hefty grid penalty or lose like 200 Constructors points for their "dummy" pit stop? I can't help but think if Sauber or Marussia had done that the marshals would have their heads on platters. Damn favoritism, especially after they admitted it was fake.

What's utterly moronic is that Mercedes will get away with it, but McLaren (yeah you know me) get an outrageous combined 50-space penalty for something that's effectively not even their fault.

Good grief Bernie and his front company the FIA is flushing this fine sport down the toilet.

Also, bad call by Williams lol and good to Alonso getting his first *ahem* point of the season. :D
 
I don't think they should get a grid penalty or points docked because the rule book wasn't clear enough on dummy pit stops. Charlie Whiting has now condemned it and every team is aware if they do it again, they will face sanctions. Red Bull used to be the worst offenders of this and finally something is being done about it. On the other hand if they made it legal, it could spice Formula One up as it needs something.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
I don't think they should get a grid penalty or points docked because the rule book wasn't clear enough on dummy pit stops. Charlie Whiting has now condemned it and every team is aware if they do it again, they will face sanctions. Red Bull used to be the worst offenders of this and finally something is being done about it. On the other hand if they made it legal, it could spice Formula One up as it needs something.
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Dummy pit stops are not needed to spice it up. IMHO the problem is
  • The engine manufacturers behind Mercedes underestimated the speed/ fuel consumption that the top engine would have. Honda have exacerbated this by appearing to enter the sport too early; Red Bull have exacerbated this by whinging about Renault at every race.
  • There is too much communication between the pit wall and the drivers regarding speed to aim for/ tyre wear
  • The FIA has still not solved the problem of one car overtaking another consistently without DRS
  • The money spread from top to bottom is too broad
For me, the top and bottom concerns are unlikely to change soon (and even if they were agreed would still take time to trickle down). The communication is changing for the better, but if people hate the drivers being asked to drive for a delta, the teams love it: they use it to run the minimum fuel necessary for the race (which means that people complaining about the minimum fuel limit should understand that the teams want a minimum amount of fuel in the car - they don't want more fuel). For the overtaking, I understand ground effect is being considered, but when you see Horner complain about their design being "crippled" by the regulations, again you can see the teams don't really care about whether a car behind can be followed.
 
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Dummy pit stops are not needed to spice it up. IMHO the problem is
  • The engine manufacturers behind Mercedes underestimated the speed/ fuel consumption that the top engine would have. Honda have exacerbated this by appearing to enter the sport too early; Red Bull have exacerbated this by whinging about Renault at every race.
  • There is too much communication between the pit wall and the drivers regarding speed to aim for/ tyre wear
  • The FIA has still not solved the problem of one car overtaking another consistently without DRS
  • The money spread from top to bottom is too broad
For me, the top and bottom concerns are unlikely to change soon (and even if they were agreed would still take time to trickle down). The communication is changing for the better, but if people hate the drivers being asked to drive for a delta, the teams love it: they use it to run the minimum fuel necessary for the race (which means that people complaining about the minimum fuel limit should understand that the teams want a minimum amount of fuel in the car - they don't want more fuel). For the overtaking, I understand ground effect is being considered, but when you see Horner complain about their design being "crippled" by the regulations, again you can see the teams don't really care about whether a car behind can be followed.
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And when changes like you stated have been implemented they still have the problem of a massive chunk of the global TV audience cut off by F1 being sold off to subscription broadcasters. F1 has more problems than the racing itself yet the powers that be are clueless on all levels at this moment in time.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
And when changes like you stated have been implemented they still have the problem of a massive chunk of the global TV audience cut off by F1 being sold off to subscription broadcasters. F1 has more problems than the racing itself yet the powers that be are clueless on all levels at this moment in time.
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Unfortunately all sport is suffering from this. The BBC has to find £600million to fund the over 75s licence, and you can bet sport will be the first to go.
 
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Unfortunately all sport is suffering from this. The BBC has to find £600million to fund the over 75s licence, and you can bet sport will be the first to go.
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Yep well aware of that and I don't blame the BBC for their decision to cut back on F1. The price is sky high and those not interested in the sport must have been miffed so much was being spent. I have both channels so it doesn't affect me personally but we keep hearing about viewing figures plummeting and many of my F1 loving friends no longer watch. These were avid followers who attended Silverstone every year so something has certainly changed for the worse on the grander scale.
 
One of the problems is the amount of races. Next year we are looking at 22. That's a lot of weekends your tied up Saturday and Sunday. I love to watch the complete race, but my wife and daughter hate it. That means you have to either not watch it live, or not go out for 50% of the weekends in a year.
 
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As a trend I think it's going to get worse, especially as an indirect consequence of cord cutting if the races are only available on a dedicated channel. Even with a trial period, you're only likely to get the dedicated fans (ie most of us on the thread) to subscribe. I got into F1 because of the fab racing between Mansell and Senna and then Schumi and Hill because it was free on TV. They're not gonna get the new viewers coming in if they continue on this course.
 
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One of the problems is the amount of races. Next year we are looking at 22. That's a lot of weekends your tied up Saturday and Sunday. I love to watch the complete race, but my wife and daughter hate it. That means you have to either not watch it live, or not go out for 50% of the weekends in a year.
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i usually only see a few minutes of quals and then most of the race depending on our soccer schedule.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
I don't think they should get a grid penalty or points docked because the rule book wasn't clear enough on dummy pit stops. Charlie Whiting has now condemned it and every team is aware if they do it again, they will face sanctions. Red Bull used to be the worst offenders of this and finally something is being done about it. On the other hand if they made it legal, it could spice Formula One up as it needs something.
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But my point stands about favoritism, especially considering they've actually admitted it was a dummy - had it been a back marker team I'd bet almost anything the marshals still would have penalized them. And I'm betting if - as you say the rule book isn't clear - but if another team does it in Hungary they'll be nailed to the wall for it; Charlie Whiting can condemn it all he wants but if it's not in the rule book, then everyone should be allowed to play by the same rules as Mercedes.
 
The rule book states if a dummy pit stop is obvious during the race a stop go will be issued plus a fine. It wasn't clear 'during the race' it's not a penalty that can be carried over like some. So clarification has happened now so we're all clear.
 
RIP Jules Bianchi

What awful news to wake up to. I hope his family are coping after such a long battle.


The first driver to die from injuries sustained in a race since Ayrton Senna, sadly. Jules and Maria RIP.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
RIP Jules Bianchi

What awful news to wake up to. I hope his family are coping after such a long battle.


The first driver to die from injuries sustained in a race since Ayrton Senna, sadly. Jules and Maria RIP.
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Very sad. The current crop of drivers are fortunate to race in a time where death and even injury are rare. However, they are not immortal.
My thoughts are with his family.
 
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