What a shame. No way I am buying unless they show some respect to our investment. "Features" are actually a burden if they don't work well. I'll migrate to Linux if need be. Too bad, I was ready to purchase by the end of next week.
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2015 Macbook Pro's Intel Iris 6100 is so choppy in Yosemite
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Before you decide not to, it might make sense to head over toe best Buy or Apple store and actually try one of the MBPrs there to see if there's a lag issue that you notice. I, for one, haven't noticed any lag at all. The issue might be related to apps or specific configurations.
One thing I have noticed: My Macs really don't like when they have an external display attached and that display is turned off. That will definitely cause lag. As soon as I turn the display on, or unplug it completely, it all goes away. This has been the case for me since at least Mountain Lion.
I will do so once the local stores out here have the new models in stock. But it boggles the mind how Apple allows itself to sell such expensive devices that, in many use cases, cannot render the UI properly! What notion of "quality" does the OSX UI team (Ives?) subscribe to?
I will cease fire now and give the upcoming 10.10.3 update the benefit of doubt
I will cease fire now and give the upcoming 10.10.3 update the benefit of doubt
Having owned a 13" retina - I gotta say I really feel like this thread is making a mountain out of a mole-hill.
What I had on mine was a very slight stutter at times (usually dependent on resolution). Very surprised to see people thirsty for blood because of it.
Anyway - the 11" air and stock 15" do not have the stutter.
The 13" retina is still an amazing computer.
1440x900 would be ideal for me, but the frames still dip at times in opening new windows, tabs, mission control, etc. Best for retina doesn't help too much either. I love everything else about the computer so far, but when your 2011 iMac is much smoother in terms of scrolling around and multitasking, the $1799 investment is a little frustrating. Not sure whether to exchange for another one (seems like it's a widespread issue and software) or to return it and go for a MBA with 8GB of ram and not dealing with retina stuttering.. but god dang, the display is so beautiful compared.
You've made that determination without even looking at them and judging how they work for yourself. I've had a way different experience with mine.
The notion that if they design quality products, they'll sell millions of them, and despite a few malcontents, their products will be a resounding success.
Pretty spot on.
I cannot disagree with you: commercial success, not intrinsic value, has indeed become their measure of quality. Yet when Apple was more "minoritarian", selling less but neurotically refining to perfection, I liked it better. I would not be so frustrated if this was a sacrifice of functionality for the sake of some other kind of functionality. But to insist on visual glitz (transparencies and the like) at the expense of functionality (responsiveness) betrays my longstanding commitment to Apple and its products, which I used to think represent a dedication to intrinsic quality, often against the current. I know, I am naive. Yet this is clearly immature technology that they insist on imposing it to us because it makes an impression.
Mavericks will not work on a 2015 rMBP.
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And there were with Mavericks almost up to the point of Yosemite's release.
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Or they GENUINELY might not be having a problem. FFS Just because someone isn't having your problems doe NOT make them wrong.
2015 Macbook Pro's Intel Iris 6100 is so choppy in Yosemite
I'm genuinely not having a problem, at least so far. That's true even scaled to 1680x1050. That said, I truly believe what I'm reading.
As someone with a QA background who isolates these kinds of issues for a living, I'd definitely say this sounds like software. HW would be much more likely to be everybody or almost nobody at all. It's also pretty rare for HW problems to be anything less than catastrophic--they usually don't lead to performance issues.
The only real exception I could think of would be thermal throttling on the GPU--that should be detectable with one of the system temperature monitors though.
The bit where it slows down when a thunderbolt monitor is connected and not on -might- be hw, but sounds more like something driver-related where it polls the monitor for something and has to time out every time.
Since VMs and browsers were mentioned, I'd be curious to know if going in and out of full screen possibly has an effect, either kicking in the issue or changing it. The OS X window manager does some special handling with virtual spaces (FS included) and that mode is used frequently for both browser and VM.
I'm genuinely not having a problem, at least so far. That's true even scaled to 1680x1050. That said, I truly believe what I'm reading.
As someone with a QA background who isolates these kinds of issues for a living, I'd definitely say this sounds like software. HW would be much more likely to be everybody or almost nobody at all. It's also pretty rare for HW problems to be anything less than catastrophic--they usually don't lead to performance issues.
The only real exception I could think of would be thermal throttling on the GPU--that should be detectable with one of the system temperature monitors though.
The bit where it slows down when a thunderbolt monitor is connected and not on -might- be hw, but sounds more like something driver-related where it polls the monitor for something and has to time out every time.
Since VMs and browsers were mentioned, I'd be curious to know if going in and out of full screen possibly has an effect, either kicking in the issue or changing it. The OS X window manager does some special handling with virtual spaces (FS included) and that mode is used frequently for both browser and VM.
I've had problems with this too. When I first booted up the machine it was terrible, I'm talking 2 fps mission control. It has gotten better though, and now it ranges from bad to pretty smooth, even at 1920x1200 HiDPI. It seems to me there might be a problem with the GPU's dynamic frequency being kept too low.
Very interesting messages, geoelectric & henrik-s.
Two questions that just popped up:
1. Is the stutter less severe when the machine is plugged into the mains?
2. Did you try the instructions at https://david.gyttja.com/2013/01/21/fix-lagging-display-performance-on-retina-macbook-pro/?
Thanks.
Two questions that just popped up:
1. Is the stutter less severe when the machine is plugged into the mains?
2. Did you try the instructions at https://david.gyttja.com/2013/01/21/fix-lagging-display-performance-on-retina-macbook-pro/?
Thanks.
I don't think running on mains/battery makes a difference. I have followed those steps in your link, it's "fixed it" initially.
No issue
I have the 13" MB Pro 2015. no issues at all. I do feel its a bit choppy with a few sites, rest it did slow down slightly, but still is super super fast. Maybe an update will resolve the issue.
Love my MB PRO.
I have the 13" MB Pro 2015. no issues at all. I do feel its a bit choppy with a few sites, rest it did slow down slightly, but still is super super fast. Maybe an update will resolve the issue.
Love my MB PRO.
Just got my new 2015 13" Pro. First animation that popped up on Safari was incredibly choppy, like blatantly so. I'm hoping that this is a result of new system processes still running in the background but we'll see when I get home to test it some more.
Solution
The hardware on the new Macbook Pro 13 is the most powerful computer on the market in its class (graphics card-less). Its graphical performance is huge, the glitch must be with the OSX Yosemite.
I would recommend everyone to switch back to Mavericks, or even Mountain lion, both of which would run lightning fast on the new machine.
Apple is messing the best software they have by not testing it long enough. They should deploy new updates gradually, and not gather all the new features and lump them all at once one time per year and leave them to the end users to suffer with.
The hardware on the new Macbook Pro 13 is the most powerful computer on the market in its class (graphics card-less). Its graphical performance is huge, the glitch must be with the OSX Yosemite.
I would recommend everyone to switch back to Mavericks, or even Mountain lion, both of which would run lightning fast on the new machine.
Apple is messing the best software they have by not testing it long enough. They should deploy new updates gradually, and not gather all the new features and lump them all at once one time per year and leave them to the end users to suffer with.
Think it was mentioned elsewhere, but I don't believe you can run the newer machines on a pre-Yosemite OS
Pram
Tried this - thanks. It seems to have made a difference to the speed of my 2014 MacBook.
Tried this - thanks. It seems to have made a difference to the speed of my 2014 MacBook.
Sorry if you feel, that I am a little bit offtopic, but I truly believe, that this issue is more general and absolutely Yosemite related.
I have a Late 2013 15" MacBook Pro with Retina display, with Iris Pro 5200, and experience the same since the very first Yosemite release. I have an 1080p Samsung display at home and a 27" 2560x1440 monitor at my office. Apple's drivers were always 2 to 5 times slower than their Windows brothers, so my rMBP had some issues with the 27" Dell even with Mavericks, but I could live with occasional 15-20 fps Mission Control.
Since Yosemite, I experience the following:
- after fresh boot it is always smooth. Without external display it is 60 fps, with 1080p around 30-40, with 2560x1440 around 20. That lasts for a few hours (I truly believe that most of the fixes seem to solve issues because rebooting itself seems to work for a while)
- after a few days, it dramatically slows down, no matter what kind of activities I did on the computer. This means 2-10 fps on the Dell, and ~10-15 on the Samsung. Without external display ~30 fps (this is the reason why I think some people do not experience this: they simply don't use external displays and believe that everything is OK)
- fresh install does not matter. I tested it, and experienced the very same issues with a brand new, fresh install, without any installed 3rd party applications
- all animations get slower which involve scaling: Mission Control, Minimize, Stack opening. Swiping between desktops is always perfect, so does the scroll in Safari. 60fps. OpenGL is not affected, I can measure exactly the same scores in CineBench after fresh boot as when the animations are choppy
- it seems that some UI lag is also happening. I couldn't measure it, but feel that the system responds to inputs slower after a few days. Maybe it is a few millisecs, but I can feel it.
- I was lucky, that I could test the same in an Apple Store with a 2014 rMBP with dedicated GPU: It had a 7 day uptime, and we have attached the 27" CinemaDisplay to it. It was blazing fast. Instant and 60 fps.
- many people reported to me on Twitter, that they have the same issue
- PRAM reset does not help
- Reducing transparency option did help for a while, but after some 10.10.2 beta, this trick was no longer working for me. I think "Increase contrast" has nothing to do with this, it just forces "Reduce transparency" to turn on. Calculating transparency uses a lot of GPU power.
- Entering Mission Control for the first time after a while is always slower, I think it is because OS X has to copy the image of the windows into some different memory area. Sometimes the first entering animation is skipped entirely.
- I have also recorded several 120 fps videos about the issue, and found that the main problem is not that the animation lacks frames, but that they are not evenly distributed. I mean some parts of the animation are slower and some are faster.
Here are some videos in a playlist about the issue:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsZWReFinrU5GLvs7ILwGvAVTICcjLhTD
I have a Late 2013 15" MacBook Pro with Retina display, with Iris Pro 5200, and experience the same since the very first Yosemite release. I have an 1080p Samsung display at home and a 27" 2560x1440 monitor at my office. Apple's drivers were always 2 to 5 times slower than their Windows brothers, so my rMBP had some issues with the 27" Dell even with Mavericks, but I could live with occasional 15-20 fps Mission Control.
Since Yosemite, I experience the following:
- after fresh boot it is always smooth. Without external display it is 60 fps, with 1080p around 30-40, with 2560x1440 around 20. That lasts for a few hours (I truly believe that most of the fixes seem to solve issues because rebooting itself seems to work for a while)
- after a few days, it dramatically slows down, no matter what kind of activities I did on the computer. This means 2-10 fps on the Dell, and ~10-15 on the Samsung. Without external display ~30 fps (this is the reason why I think some people do not experience this: they simply don't use external displays and believe that everything is OK)
- fresh install does not matter. I tested it, and experienced the very same issues with a brand new, fresh install, without any installed 3rd party applications
- all animations get slower which involve scaling: Mission Control, Minimize, Stack opening. Swiping between desktops is always perfect, so does the scroll in Safari. 60fps. OpenGL is not affected, I can measure exactly the same scores in CineBench after fresh boot as when the animations are choppy
- it seems that some UI lag is also happening. I couldn't measure it, but feel that the system responds to inputs slower after a few days. Maybe it is a few millisecs, but I can feel it.
- I was lucky, that I could test the same in an Apple Store with a 2014 rMBP with dedicated GPU: It had a 7 day uptime, and we have attached the 27" CinemaDisplay to it. It was blazing fast. Instant and 60 fps.
- many people reported to me on Twitter, that they have the same issue
- PRAM reset does not help
- Reducing transparency option did help for a while, but after some 10.10.2 beta, this trick was no longer working for me. I think "Increase contrast" has nothing to do with this, it just forces "Reduce transparency" to turn on. Calculating transparency uses a lot of GPU power.
- Entering Mission Control for the first time after a while is always slower, I think it is because OS X has to copy the image of the windows into some different memory area. Sometimes the first entering animation is skipped entirely.
- I have also recorded several 120 fps videos about the issue, and found that the main problem is not that the animation lacks frames, but that they are not evenly distributed. I mean some parts of the animation are slower and some are faster.
Here are some videos in a playlist about the issue:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsZWReFinrU5GLvs7ILwGvAVTICcjLhTD
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Sorry for repeating I did not notice. Try using an installer flash drive.
http://osxdaily.com/2013/10/23/create-os-x-mavericks-install-drive/
How long did you try it without 3rd party apps? Based on reading someone else's post here, I tried hiding the menubar icons using Bartender. This has improved mission control degradation over time quite a bit. In particular, Dropbox seems to cause stutter and hiding it has improved things.
I'm on 10.10.3 14D130a
This thread is exactly why i have not moved to a retina machine yet. My 2011 MBA runs Yosemite silky smooth aswell as my 2012 27" iMac. To push that many pixels on a full OS like Yosemite you need a decent graphics card. Every Retina machine i have used is laggy, some people don't notice it but it stands out to me just like i can see the difference between 30fps and 60fps where some people can't.
Update: So yeah, apparently this is a widespread problem since this was posted to the front page? I figured I'd provide a final update:
The PRAM reset fixed the problem for a few hours and then it promptly returned, even on a fresh install of both the 10.3 beta and the 10.2 stock with no 3rd party programs running AND well after the housekeeping processes completed (confirmed via activity monitor).
When using an external 1080p monitor, I experienced display lag so bad on mission control and spaces that it prevented me from using the laptop as easily as my Macbook Air, which is unacceptable (IMO) for a brand new laptop.
I eventually returned the Macbook Pro to Apple, and I'm going to wait until the next revision of the laptop to upgrade. My Macbook Air from 2013 continues to have fantastic performance— silky smooth with tons of 3rd party programs installed. I'll just sit far away from the screen until then
The PRAM reset fixed the problem for a few hours and then it promptly returned, even on a fresh install of both the 10.3 beta and the 10.2 stock with no 3rd party programs running AND well after the housekeeping processes completed (confirmed via activity monitor).
When using an external 1080p monitor, I experienced display lag so bad on mission control and spaces that it prevented me from using the laptop as easily as my Macbook Air, which is unacceptable (IMO) for a brand new laptop.
I eventually returned the Macbook Pro to Apple, and I'm going to wait until the next revision of the laptop to upgrade. My Macbook Air from 2013 continues to have fantastic performance— silky smooth with tons of 3rd party programs installed. I'll just sit far away from the screen until then
I don't know how people are having this problem. I really don't think it's an actual issue and many people are just blowing up a few slight stutters into something they deem "completely broken"
I have a late 2013 13" rMBP and it works nearly perfectly fine. A few tiny stutters here and there maybe, but it's not nearly an issue.
I have a late 2013 13" rMBP and it works nearly perfectly fine. A few tiny stutters here and there maybe, but it's not nearly an issue.
People that have lag, have you pulled up activity monitor and checked out what WindowServer and kernel_task are doing?
I feel there is a general issue with Yosemite graphic performance. Something to do with animation or refresh rates?
I have a 13" 2010 macbook pro and under Yosemite, dock hidden, transparency off, if I hit play in Logic so the screen starts scrolling the cpu and fan go through the roof. If I reboot in Snow Leopard, it's fine. It's the same situation for almost anything that animates.
I don't get lag, but then I've disabled as many animations as possible.
I feel there is a general issue with Yosemite graphic performance. Something to do with animation or refresh rates?
I have a 13" 2010 macbook pro and under Yosemite, dock hidden, transparency off, if I hit play in Logic so the screen starts scrolling the cpu and fan go through the roof. If I reboot in Snow Leopard, it's fine. It's the same situation for almost anything that animates.
I don't get lag, but then I've disabled as many animations as possible.