I think what the "it's a software issue" people are trying to say is, out of the box, with a clean setup, they won't face this problem? So looking to get more users to chime in here.
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2016 15" MBP UI Lag
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I think what the "it's a software issue" people are trying to say is, out of the box, with a clean setup, they won't face this problem? So looking to get more users to chime in here.
That is a very valid criticism. A lot of things have been improved, some are difficult to improve though due how OS X works (its drawing model is much more expensive than Windows for example).
My 2012 rmbp have intel hd 4000, and its 4 times slower than 530, and i have no ui lag, the guy in video must have some software error. Probably something got wrong when he did restore from a backup
SoyCapitanSoyCapitan
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The video doesn't tell us how much VRAM or system RAM was being consumed before the example on each machine. This would make a difference. Try a fresh boot on both systems then try the test.
Also, there was a technical error. It was said the Intel graphics was used for Finder and the dGPU kicks in for more intense applications. Though that is true, it also happens that dGPU can kick in for normal Finder use. It's unclear why or when.
To the video's credit, it does show that Apple have always been terrible at writing graphics drivers and Quartz continues to be too heavy on graphics accelerators. Metal is supposed to be used by the Intel chip for GUI? Not good.
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When people say daft things like Windows being stuttery or glitchy then I no longer need their opinion on any matter. That's a person who can't provide reliable information or can't observe reality correctly. Windows has always been smooth on concurrent hardware even with the most basic chips ever since NT3.51.
Also, there was a technical error. It was said the Intel graphics was used for Finder and the dGPU kicks in for more intense applications. Though that is true, it also happens that dGPU can kick in for normal Finder use. It's unclear why or when.
To the video's credit, it does show that Apple have always been terrible at writing graphics drivers and Quartz continues to be too heavy on graphics accelerators. Metal is supposed to be used by the Intel chip for GUI? Not good.
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When people say daft things like Windows being stuttery or glitchy then I no longer need their opinion on any matter. That's a person who can't provide reliable information or can't observe reality correctly. Windows has always been smooth on concurrent hardware even with the most basic chips ever since NT3.51.
aevan
macrumors 601
True. And even today, on the same Mac hardware, Windows has a smoother UI. As many of the more objective forum members pointed out a lot of times: no OS is perfect, and macOS is not without its faults.
Also, does Windows show live previews in the Windows switcher (or whatever its Mission Control equivalent is called?) Like, if I have a video running, will it work in the switcher as well? Curious, not sure how it works.
Still, El Capitan made OS X/macOS UI much smoother, and the PDFs work great, so this whole post is a non-issue. And the only places the UI ever lagged was Mission Control, and Quick Look animations. As others have reported, UI doesn't lag on the new MBPs.
Btw, remember the good old days when Windows had a square rectangle when you moved the windows around, instead of showing the window's contents? And when you did show the content, it made a "trail"? 🙂 Those were the days! (this is not a jab at Windows, this was really a long time ago, I don't even know how Mac OS worked then, and it was probably struck by the same hardware limitations).
SoyCapitanSoyCapitan
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Yes I just tried it for you with VLC and Amazon Prime side by side.
Windows NT 3.5 introduced live windows resizing and scaling in the mid 90s, including video. Irix had live moving but not scaling. NeXT had some live scaling and moving too.
[doublepost=1479640653][/doublepost]Windows 10 live playback two streaming HD videos in Task Switcher views and the same videos playing in the Taskbar too. I could probably do this with every video I have at the same time considering there's an overclocked Skylake and GTX 1070 here.
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The comparison is not optimal. He is using different app icons on each computer. What if there is one icon that takes more render time due to technical reasons (e.g. issue with the image format).
In any case, this looks bad, but it would be good to see when both computers have the same apps listed.
But my theory would explain why many people don't have such issues at all.
In any case, this looks bad, but it would be good to see when both computers have the same apps listed.
But my theory would explain why many people don't have such issues at all.
It is different, but I doubt the different app icons will explain the stutter he is experiencing (if even affect the results at all).
Ma2k5
macrumors 68030
I remember posting a couple of weeks ago predicting people will have UI lag issues with the much weaker iGPU on this model.
Yeah, still trying to determine if it is a definitive problem or user-specific! Seems like we're getting a good number of users not really facing this UI Lag problem, and considering the HD530 is significantly faster than the HD 4000 on the 2012 rMBP, this problem may not be that evident.
Its actually fairly easy to check if its GPU or not. Try moving that window around. If it lags, its most likely the GPU. If it doesn't, then the GPU has enough power to redraw an area of that size without lagging.
inket
macrumors regular
Can you try this?
then wait for a bit and try scrolling again to see if it's better?
Also can you try with both resolutions? The default one (1680x1050) and the old default (1440x900). I doubt Apple would set a higher resolution that needs downscaling as a default resolution if the GPU was a bottleneck for scrolling...
Code:
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Support/lsregister -kill -r -domain local -domain system -domain user
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killall lsdthen wait for a bit and try scrolling again to see if it's better?
Also can you try with both resolutions? The default one (1680x1050) and the old default (1440x900). I doubt Apple would set a higher resolution that needs downscaling as a default resolution if the GPU was a bottleneck for scrolling...
Probably because the integrated gpu is slower than last model but the dgpu is faster. If you switch to the dgpu, it should work much better.
I do not see this on the 2016 MBP. There is something wrong with the unit in the video.
Apparently it does with mac os. UI lag has been a persistent issue with the retina screens, and yes the new models are even worse than the ones from before. It isn't just the applications folder, load up a site like nba.com or any intensive site and try minimizing or maximizing the window, it isn't as smooth.
Windows is actually far smoother.
Can't compare it with a 13" as that has an Iris 540 integrated graphics processor. The main issue here is whether the HD530 is underpowered.
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You're on a 15" 2016 MBP and facing UI lag? Care to share some video comparisons?
No I have a 2015 15 inch mbp. I went to the store and noticed almost all mbps experienced some kind of UI lag, most people do not notice it but I do. In the new mbps the UI lag was even more prominent than last years models.
xraydoc
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This is true, though the 540 in the 2.0GHz part is running at a much lower clock speed than the 530 in the 15" model. I'm thinking it should even them out, though I haven't seen specific benchmark to support my supposition.
I think the Iris is probably still a little more powerful at least despite the clock speed, but the 530 should be sufficient?
DHagan4755
macrumors 68020
Reduce the screen real estate to looks like 1440 x 900 to match the last generation model. The new late 2016 models are now default at looks like 1680 x 1050. That would be a fairer comparison.
I'm on 1680 X 1050 and don't see any lag at all on the 2013 rMBP on Iris Pro. So it should not be a problem at all. And if the default resolution that comes with it is laggy then....
Honestly, i didnt see any lag at the apple store, but even if they do lag i wouldnt even care. I barely scroll the applications folder much anyways
I can't replicate anything like in that video. I have the gfxCardStatus program and switched between the two cards (530 and 460 in my case) and both seemed about the same.
This person/poster/video maker is a troll guarnatete u guys this is fake, i mean video is real but something is done to get that effect its not real - I don't know what you are up to users who posted this or video maker, but you are making this crap up. This almost seems like to be paid bad advertising made to look real by having a grassroots sort of guy filming. but i don't know who paid you man, or what kind of a troll you are. but whatever you did, you are making up the results by doing something in the background. shame. i mean i criticize apple but i dont stage stuff like you do.