As I said previously, the logic board must be able to enter target disk mode for that tool to work.
If the logic board is completely dead, you are SOL.
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2016 Touch Bar...DEAD SSD!!!
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As I said previously, the logic board must be able to enter target disk mode for that tool to work.
If the logic board is completely dead, you are SOL.
That's directly contrary to what the article says, which includes logic board failure as a case for which Apple will offer to recover data. Are you currently using the tool referred to in the article, is that what you're basing this on? If so, then we should contact the media to correct all the false stories about this.
Sounds about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike, give the primary reason for recovery would be a dead Logic Board
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Just because the logic board fails doesn't mean that it can't enter target this mode.
If the logic board fails, but it can enter target disk mode, data can be recovered.
I have no written proof (for obvious reasons), but what this tool does is that it allows data to be recovered using target disk mode.
I'm not asking for written proof. I'm asking what your claims are based on. Are you unable to reveal that?
OK, thanks.
What you're saying would imply the SSD is more integrated into the logic board than just being soldered on, that it has become a part that cannot be independently accessed for some reason. That in turn suggests the reasons for it being soldered on go beyond merely not wanting it to be upgraded, as that could be accomplished easily in simpler ways. If I recall right, the ifixit teardown showed the SSD components to be spread out on the logic board, not in one piece, so they seem to have become more directly integrated into the board than before. Perhaps that facilitates speed and heat management.
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This is 100% correct. They gave the board a bath. Red wine was apparently the culprit. They could not get into target disk mode, this no way to mount and recover. That's the extent of what occurred.
I will update if there's more info about the SSD, but the repair is not being conducted by Apple.
Why all of the crying over the thread title? There's no defect in the 2016 touch bar regarding the SSD, but keep WINE off of it! I own three of these machines and they're fantastic.
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Is your friend in the US?
I know a place the laptop could be sent to for logic board repair.
That's interesting,
I presume in my ignorance that the magic pins to nowhere for data recovery therefore cannot be straight through from the SSD allowing the black recovery box that's powered to mimic the controller chips etc present on the logic board
Hence the Apple SSD must be connected to other parts on the Dead Logic Board
This seems a little short sighted as it would seem logical to have good logic board for recovery on the right and defective one on the left connected via a simple cable etc etc ie the equivalent (by a jumper cable) of removing and re-inserting as with the old MAC's
So much for it being as simple as previous SSD recovery
I'm not sure why we would be surprised, it's just one more step towards the IPads TC want's all to use with limited repair and no post upgrade options
That's interesting,
I presume in my ignorance that the magic pins to nowhere for data recovery therefore cannot be straight through from the SSD allowing the black recovery box that's powered to mimic the controller chips etc present on the logic board
Hence the Apple SSD must be connected to other parts on the Dead Logic Board
This seems a little short sighted as it would seem logical to have good logic board for recovery on the right and defective one on the left connected via a simple cable etc etc ie the equivalent (by a jumper cable) of removing and re-inserting as with the old MAC's
So much for it being as simple as previous SSD recovery
I'm not sure why we would be surprised, it's just one more step towards the IPads TC want's all to use with limited repair and no post upgrade options
Pretty soon, Apple might not even repair your Mac anymore.
You walk in with your non-working Mac and pay a replacement fee. Apple hands you a refurbished Mac and off you go.
That assuming that Apple hasn't discontinued the Mac yet.
This seems a little short sighted as it would seem logical to have good logic board for recovery on the right and defective one on the left connected via a simple cable etc etc ie the equivalent (by a jumper cable) of removing and re-inserting as with the old MAC's
So much for it being as simple as previous SSD recovery
I'm not sure why we would be surprised, it's just one more step towards the IPads TC want's all to use with limited repair and no post upgrade options
I'm sure the engineers were able to foresee the effects of their actions. As mentioned above, it's likely there are some benefits to this arrangement, which is more complex than would be required to simply prevent upgrades.
That's interesting,
I presume in my ignorance that the magic pins to nowhere for data recovery therefore cannot be straight through from the SSD allowing the black recovery box that's powered to mimic the controller chips etc present on the logic board
Hence the Apple SSD must be connected to other parts on the Dead Logic Board
This seems a little short sighted as it would seem logical to have good logic board for recovery on the right and defective one on the left connected via a simple cable etc etc ie the equivalent (by a jumper cable) of removing and re-inserting as with the old MAC's
So much for it being as simple as previous SSD recovery
I'm not sure why we would be surprised, it's just one more step towards the IPads TC want's all to use with limited repair and no post upgrade options
I'm a professional. My friends are professionals. We don't "upgrade" low cost items like laptops. When they age, we simply replace them with a newer better model. Hobbyists upgrade machines; few professionals would waste the time.
I own one 15" tMBP and two of the 13's versions. I bought them in configurations to suit my workflow. When obsolete they get traded or sold off. It's a MacBook Pro, not a tower PC.
Spilling wine on a laptop is dumb. Not backing up data is dumber. Apple doesn't owe anyone a thing if they abuse the machine and don't employ free safety protocols.
When my son spilled milk on his old MacBook, it could not be repaired AT ALL.
R.
It would make sense especially on all these try before you buy and open box deals would simply be spun around for replacements instead of discounting them etc
Apple engineers probably thought "What's for launch?" since these days, Apple don't care much about the Mac (aside from raising the prices).
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Sent the laptop to this guy. He's the king of logic board repairs.
https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup
Why not both? Or in my case, all three for Mac OS. A little bit of automation on the backend could cover you in a wide variety of scenarios on the system disk.
A) Time Machine backup for versioning
B) Bootable Replica via CCC
C) Flat img
Nonsense. There's clearly a lot of care taken in designing and building these machines.
That's what's supposed to happen, right?
I'm not sure what your point is
However
I'm not "a professional user" ie I do not supply my own equipment for work. I am more of a hobbyist in that respect, if you prefer. I simply replace my personal laptops or buy others when something new interests me be it in 6 or 12 months, costs or longevity etc are of little concern to me, but that does not mean I am not sympathetic to others users
Spilling wine is not dumb it's called an accident for most
I agree Apple owe you nothing if you abuse your laptop however most expect some leeway given Apples excellent customer service especially when a similar service is available for more legitimate/warranty related issues
Is that not why many buy MAC's for that little extra service and support when push comes to shove
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From an OEM: Depends how much you care how your consumer perceives it and if it will eventually trickle down to less sales
From a Consumer: No
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I don't follow. Customers don't think Apple should benefit from the way they design their machines? I think they do. Maybe you've got in mind a different point, that customers don't want Apple to be greedy or something? That may be true. Some customers have always complained about Apple in that regard. Not sure their complaints are well grounded, but they no doubt affect who buys.