2017 iMac hdd upgrade

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  1. auslad88 macrumors newbie

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    i have a 2017 27” iMac (18,3)

    I have a 3tb fusion (the 128gb ssd and the 3tb standard drive) I want to upgrade the standard hard drive to a higher capacity . Does anyone know where I can find a list of compatible hard drives ? Do they still require the fan sensor leads ? Or is this for the older machines ?
    Thanks
     
  2. tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    Any hard drive would work

    Yes

    https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/DIDIMACHDD12/
     
  3. Fishrrman macrumors G5

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    You realize that opening the iMac will void the warranty, right?

    Having said that, you should also realize (perhaps you already know) that replacing ONE of the drives destroys the "fusion drive" -- thus, everything must be backed up in advance.

    My advice:
    DON'T touch anything inside.
    If 3tb "isn't enough" for you, just plug in a USB3 EXTERNAL drive for more storage.
    Faster and easier, and you don't risk breaking anything inside.

    It's always a better choice to NOT "have all your eggs in one basket", anyway.
     
  4. tubeexperience, Jun 12, 2018
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    tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    No, it doesn't not void the warranty.

    From FTC:

    From MacSales/OWC

     
  5. Fishrrman macrumors G5

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    We've been through your nonsense "it won't void the warranty" on numerous threads before.

    Your advice is going to cause some folks a lot of expense.
     
  6. tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    Wrong again.

    Apple's warranty doesn't say that servicing your own Apple products would void the warranty because that would be against the law.
     
  7. padams35 macrumors regular

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    This debate made me curious enough to read both the current apple warranty and wiki summery of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

    It would appear that the warranty ( https://www.apple.com/legal/warranty/products/embedded-mac-warranty-us.html ) is not voided simply by opening or upgrading your mac.

    The issues are:
    a) Any damage you or other non-AASP accidentally inflict while opening/upgrading will not be covered. (And may be grounds for the Apple store to deny repair.)
    b) Non-original parts are naturally not covered by the warranty.

    In conclusion do you really want to replace a working original warrantied part with an ungraded non-warrantied part even if the rest of the system retains warranty? Are you confident in your skills and willing to risk inflicting non-warrantied damage in the course of the upgrade?
     
  8. tubeexperience, Jun 12, 2018
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    tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    You are correct.

    Well, of cause. If you break it, it's your fault.

    Assuming that you purchased the parts from reputable sources, these parts should have their own warranty.

    The parts should have their own warranty (Assuming that you purchased the parts from reputable sources)

    Absolutely. The display is basically just a big piece of glass held on by double-sided tape.

    Assuming that you can handle a glass table top without breaking it, you can absolutely handle the display.

    Here are some images of my upgrade ;): https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/imac-27-inch-late-2013-hdd-ssd-upgrade.2122595/
     
  9. mreg376 macrumors 6502a

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    Opening the case will void the warranty.
    Opening your case will void your warranty. Ignore all the noise on this forum by the one member who says otherwise.
     
  10. tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    You didn't even read the warranty.
     
  11. mreg376 macrumors 6502a

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    What you don't seem to get is that I am not saying what Apple should or shouldn't do, I'm saying what they WILL do and ACTUALLY do. Which is why I keep telling you that the advice you're giving to members of this forum is bad. I don't think most people want to go to Apple, be told a day later that they will not work on their computer because it's been opened, then have to go pick up the machine and have to start a lawsuit against Apple. THAT is what your advice will do for them.
     
  12. tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    I actually know what Apple do.

    One of the iMac at work has issues with one of the speakers.

    Guess what Apple did?

    Apple replaced the speakers under warranty..

    The SSD was upgrade and Apple didn't bat an eye.
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    You should read the terms of Apple's warranty.

    It didn't said anywhere that opening the computer void the warranty.

    It said that damages caused by third party repairs/upgrades and damages caused by third party are not covered under the warranty.
     
  13. mreg376 macrumors 6502a

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    I know what it says. But you are the ONLY person I have ever heard claim that Apple did warranty work on an iMac that had been opened up. Not a lot to go on for people to risk their $1,000-$5,000 machines (or $5,000-$14,000 iMac Pro).
     
  14. tubeexperience, Jun 13, 2018
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    tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    You clear don't have enough experience to know this:

    Apple doesn't void the warranty simply because someone opened/serviced his/her Mac.

    Apple voided the warranty because of "damages" from someone opening/servicing his/her Mac.

    The way Apple define "damages" is different from the way a lot of people think of "damages".

    Apple considered the the device "user damaged" if the device wasn't correctly repaired despite working properly.

    Specifically, I have had people tell me that Apple voided their warranty after their devices were repaired/serviced by third-parties.

    Upon inspection of these devices, I found that the repairs were done incorrectly. Often, the screws were either missing or installed in the wrong locations.

    Since the devices worked properly, despite the fact that the repairs were done incorrectly, the users don't know that Apple would now considered their devices to be "user damaged".

    Then, of cause, when they actually take their devices to Apple for warrantied repairs, they are "shocked" to find out that Apple has voided their warranty.
     
  15. mreg376 macrumors 6502a

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    I don't disagree with anything you said there. BUT there are stories galore about Apple refusing to even work on any iMac that has been opened, warranty or no warranty. I think it's important to mention that when you're advising people to open their iMacs to do upgrades. They're entitled to all the facts, not just your take and not just your experience.
     
  16. tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    There are also stories about how Obama was actually born in Kenya, and his mother covered up this "fact" so that one day, her son can become President of the United States.
     
  17. mreg376 macrumors 6502a

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    And if you think that the veracity of the Obama stories is equivalent to the stated experience of many of the forum members here, then continue to give your one-sided advice.
     
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    Obama's brother said that Obama was born in Kenya.

    He would know, right?
     
  19. mreg376 macrumors 6502a

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    I guess if it's too difficult for you to say "Apple is not supposed to automatically void your warranty just because you open the machine to do an upgrade, but be aware that there are reports of Apple refusing to work on any iMac that's been opened," which is the truth, then I guess just keep doing what you're doing and misleading people. You ain't the first.
     
  20. tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    I am sure that that has happened. Apple probably has a few clueless "Genius".

    You just have to point out the facts to them.
     
  21. mreg376 macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah. That's all you have to do.
     
  22. tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    If they still refuse, call Apple Care support.
     
  23. pier macrumors 6502

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    Regardless of the warranty thing, IMO it's better to use an external drive.

    1) Opening an iMac is always a risky business unless you really know what you are doing and have the appropriate tools.

    2) Unless you plan on adding an NVME SSD (which is even more difficult) the speeds you will get on SATA are not better than TB3 (specially considering Fusion drives) and even USB3.

    3) External drives will give you more options. You can for example get RAIDs for speed and/or redundancy.

    4) When (not if) a spinning disk fails you won't need to open your iMac again and the OS won't be compromised.

    Sure, the external drive(s) will occupy more space on your desk and will probably be more expensive, but IMO the points mentioned are quite valid.
     
  24. lcseds macrumors 6502a

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    These are not user upgradable with regards to drives. Apple will void your warranty and they have legal grounds. When an unauthorized person disassembles a machine, Apple no longer has control of internal components, quality of such as well as manufacturing practices. Therefor they will not be responsible. Therefor, warranty voided. No one would rule against Apple as they should not have to warranty modifications that were not part of the manufacturing, which in this case, included non user upgradability. Besides, most drive changes from HD to SSD require a third party thermal cable. So now your introducing a item that circumvents the original design.

    I am aware of legal warranty protections. I hate car analogies, but they apply well here. Put a cold air intake on and it will not void the warranty on the engine. Change the camshaft out using "Bo" as your mechanic and they will not warranty the engine. You went "inside" and took controls away from the original manufacturer.

    If you want to upgrade any internals in an iMac, do it after the warranty runs out. And a few cases where a tech looks the other way is not evidence of a policy to accept such mods.

    If you wish to fight this under the terms of the MM warranty act, rest assured your attorney fees will exceed your system's cost in a few short hours. Apple could fight you to the next millennium.
     
  25. tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    Clearly, you are clueless and didn't even read the terms of Apple's warranty.

    It's clearly pointless to get into a debate with someone can't bother to do basic research.
     

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