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I dont really get this.
My iPhone 6 - 24 months old has a curved screen.
But the curve and basel serve ZERO purpose
I ask you and Verizon employee the same question what use does it serve?
- why not make use of ALL the precious screen real estate?
The ticker tape idea could be made so squinting not needed with a disable function.

I was watching a TV at my brothers earlier inexpensive £200 flat screen at approx 160 degrees.
TV basel is vertually zero nowadays I wonder why that is.

An old TV with basel-
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Wheres the basel gone - its vanished Why?
Not needed.
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I was lucky enough to own both these PDA's in the 90s I'll let you guess which generation is 1st and which 2nd

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The overal size of the clam shell design of the Psion 3 Series was the same.
Except you're forgetting the supposedly utterly obvious: touch input.
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Retina is just a marketing term dude,at certain resolution..
so any high quality screen could technically be "retina" or even better (higher resolutions such as the ones in flagship Galaxies,etc)
also OLED is better than LCD period.LCD being "retina" only means it has a certain resolution,Retina is not a technical feature like you imagined.
I believe he was talking about the RGB configuration more than anything else.

PenTile is hideous.
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no bezel looks cool but no practical purpose. one example is using a case. it is hard to type with a case on iphone today already. my friend owns a Note 7 and his case has no left/right edge protection at all, totally exposed. it is begging for damage sooner or later. Holding and controlling a phone without bezel is weird. accidental touch is unavoidable.

to have no bezel is to have form over function. and it is gimmick like Samsung curve TV.
Exactly. A lot of these ultra-thin-bezel phones nowadays look great on a table or in advertising, but are very annoying to use on a day-to-day basis. Entirely way too much accidental palm touching going on. Never happens on an iPhone. And let's not start talking about the capacitive buttons embedded in the bezels idea.

It is a comforting thought though; they've officially run out of real things to complain about if a functional, already-quite-thin bezel is all they have to write about.
 
no bezel looks cool but no practical purpose. one example is using a case. it is hard to type with a case on iphone today already. my friend owns a Note 7 and his case has no left/right edge protection at all, totally exposed. it is begging for damage sooner or later. Holding and controlling a phone without bezel is weird. accidental touch is unavoidable.

to have no bezel is to have form over function. and it is gimmick like Samsung curve TV.

Hi
the first few mm of the edge of the iPhone - the touch screen would be disabled to avoid "accidental touch"
Wasting 35% real estate due to bazel is just not good design IMHO.
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Except you're forgetting the supposedly utterly obvious: touch input.
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as already mentioned
the first few mm of the edge of the iPhone - the touch screen would be disabled to avoid "accidental touch"
Wasting 35% real estate due to bazel is just not good design IMHO.
 
Hi
the first few mm of the edge of the iPhone - the touch screen would be disabled to avoid "accidental touch"
Wasting 35% real estate due to bazel is just not good design IMHO.

so you have no bezel to increase real estate usage but then you disable it. so that is the point of having screen close to the edge?

you make no sense. again, just gimmick
 
Hi
the first few mm of the edge of the iPhone - the touch screen would be disabled to avoid "accidental touch"
Wasting 35% real estate due to bazel is just not good design IMHO.
But having an arbitrary line in the display where touch input ceases to be accepted is good design?

as already mentioned
the first few mm of the edge of the iPhone - the touch screen would be disabled to avoid "accidental touch"
Wasting 35% real estate due to bazel is just not good design IMHO.
as already mentioned
But having an arbitrary line in the display where touch input ceases to be accepted is good design?

Glad you're not in the design team at Apple. We do not need Samsung's bad decisions making their way over to the rest of the industry.
 
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so you have no bezel to increase real estate usage but then you disable it. so that is the point of having screen close to the edge?

you make no sense. again, just gimmick

Yes you can see something rather than NOTHING

Let me ask you this what is the single most important part of a smartphone?

Assuming you say screen (and I dont want to put words in your mouth) - its totally unexceptable to lose 35% due to bazel

the edge could be used for ticker tape notifications, news, stocks (if thats your thing) weather, text etc it doesn't matter that a few mm is not touch sensitive.
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But having an arbitrary line in the display where touch input ceases to be accepted is good design?


as already mentioned
But having an arbitrary line in the display where touch input ceases to be accepted is good design?

Glad you're not in the design team at Apple. We do not need Samsung's bad decisions making their way over to the rest of the industry.

Its better than no screen at all ie white or black bazel

I guess you are a "SE" owner where loss of screen is nearly 40% (39.2%) you love your bazel so much- nice.
 
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Yes you can see something rather than NOTHING
That's a bad excuse. I'd rather see nothing rather than have uncertainty over whether the touchscreen at position (X,Y) will respond, and I'd rather see nothing rather than have a responding, palm-sensitive edge touchscreen. You're throwing away a ton of reliable usability for the sake of having nice specs sheets and pretty design on a table.

Let me ask you this what is the single most important part of a smartphone?

Assuming you say screen (and I dont want to put words in your mouth) - its totally unexceptable to lose 35% due to bazel
Yes it is, considering the 'bazel' is there to serve a very good purpose - being able to actually hold the phone without covering up or accidentally touching elements on the edges of the screen. Usable phone > pretty-on-a-table phone.

the edge could be used for ticker tape notifications, news, stocks (if thats your thing) weather, text etc it doesn't matter that a few mm is not touch sensitive.
Yes it does matter. Uncertainty is the last thing you want your design to inflict. Please take design school and HCI and come back after you're done.

If I have to hold the phone a certain way (read: with thin tweezers) to see incoming notifications, the design blew it. I'll take a phone modelled after the human hand over a phone that exists for the sole purpose of having fancy specs sheets.

Its better than no screen at all ie white or black bazel

I guess you are a "SE" owner where loss of screen is nearly 40% (39.2%) you love your bazel so much.
We prefer usable phones over pretty to look at phones. I've had more Samsungs than I had iPhones and the thin pretty bezels were always a usability nightmare.
 
Read your post again because that's exactly what you were talking about.
I dont think i finished off my sentence there lol, forgot what i was saying~
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The hardware has nothing to do with it

its the OS, that is optmized for certain specific conditions that Apple controls

Apple hardware is identical to Windows PC hardware. The only difference is Apple uses their own EUFI implementation to control what is installable. Using a hack of the EUFI you can actually install ANY OS on Apple's computers. There hardware is only proprietary at the "design" level.

Where you're seeing SOME better performance is the Operating system itself and what hardware access it allows the software to have. Apple reserves certain API's and system calls exclusively for their software, and I'll give them credit that they can make great efficient software.

But they can do this because they don't have a wide array of hardware to support. Unlike WIndows, which can handle just about any hardware you can throw at it, OSx does not include drivers and API's for everything under the sun.

However, once you strip out those calls, performance is very similar in most cases. And anything, similar to gaming in style, OSx currently severely lacks, and performs significantly worse than their windows counterparts.

I have tested this on multiple hardware platforms running both OSx and Windows. There are some places Apple excells at no matter what hardware it's on, Their own, or a hackintosh, and some that it fails at, no matter what hardware their on.

and yes, you have a bias (almost everyone does, that itself isn't wrong). I just want to say that if you're going to make comparisons, do so from a position of knowledge, and from equal footing. it's like comparing a $500 windows piece of **** laptop to Apple's $2500 one and wondering why that $500 only lasted 1 year and was a laggy piece of junk.



TLDR version: It has nothing to do with "Optimized hardware" but more to do with Apple optimizing specific items in their software for a limited set of hardware configurations.
I bought a windows 600 quid laptop, and a 1600 quid macbook pro. i know for sure that the macbook will last me at least 10 years, whilst the windows one only lasted me around one!
 
I dont think i finished off my sentence there lol, forgot what i was saying~
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I bought a windows 600 quid laptop, and a 1600 quid macbook pro. i know for sure that the macbook will last me at least 10 years, whilst the windows one only lasted me around one!

I'm hoping five years for my 2015 13" rMBP
 
I'm hoping five years for my 2015 13" rMBP
why do you think you would need to change it again? I dont think macs are that good for gaming, really, but i mostly just browse the internet and occasionally watch stuff online, so it should last be around 10 years at least lool
 
why do you think you would need to change it again? I dont think macs are that good for gaming, really, but i mostly just browse the internet and occasionally watch stuff online, so it should last be around 10 years at least lool

Hi

I don't game either and use mine pretty much the same as you. Athough I cant watch amazon Prime unfortunately as the fan comes on in Silverlight
I do like to update the software though and if iOS is anything to go by then my rMBP will be like walking through treacle in 5 years.

Not updating software - sure 10 years should be fine - we still use XP in the office on some PCs (never once connected to internet) and they are fine after 9 1/2 years - touch wood - so no updates no anti virus and working fine, there must be something in that.

Its just security isssues with not updating the OS that is worrisome too

cheers
 
Hi

I don't game either and use mine pretty much the same as you. Athough I cant watch amazon Prime unfortunately as the fan comes on in Silverlight
I do like to update the software though and if iOS is anything to go by then my rMBP will be like walking through treacle in 5 years.

Not updating software - sure 10 years should be fine - we still use XP in the office on some PCs (never once connected to internet) and they are fine after 9 1/2 years - touch wood - so no updates no anti virus and working fine, there must be something in that.

Its just security isssues with not updating the OS that is worrisome too

cheers
amazon prime uses silverlight? LOL what kinda rumour is this joke?

also, silverlight causes the fan to run in mac but not windows LOL?
 
amazon prime uses silverlight? LOL what kinda rumour is this joke?

also, silverlight causes the fan to run in mac but not windows LOL?

Hi
True amazon Prime video uses Silverlight that causes overheating on a good spec rMBP on Sierra.

I love my rMBP and I did a trial -one month free test with netflix and it was PERFECT 40 degrees no fan.
I think they use HTML5. why amazon use Silvelight is beyond comprehension I'm
sure is would be easy for them to use HTML5

The fan does come on in W7 but thats Parallels so probably shouldn't count - disapponting non the less.
 
Im not talking about

well, regardless what is wvident is that mac hardware is better optimized for performance than win hardware
[doublepost=1475332377][/doublepost]Perhaps having owned a high end macbook and a mid spec windows laptop, im a tad biased

So does the Surface Pro lineup....the Surface Book is a mess though lol. But the Surface Pro is pretty much the equivalent of the MBP, however Ill still prefer the MBP because well mac OS just feels better.
 
You should try to know the difference between 1) when he reports things that he has heard from sources, which are almost always accurate and 2) when he makes typical nonsense predictions as any analyst does. He is not citing sources here. He is saying I THINK based on Jet Black popularity.

For the thousandth time, there is positively ZERO evidence that Apple is even considering a glass phone, and edge to edge to display, or ditching the home button.
You should try to know how to back your claims with some sort of proof, here is a roundup of all the predictions he provided:

https://www.macrumors.com/guide/ming-chi-kuo/

Can you give me one example where he made 'typical nonsense prediction'? It seems he sometimes doesn't get the name of the device (iPad 5 instead of air), or the exact price point; but when it comes to design, supply, and release dates, he seems spot on.

Could he be wrong this time? Absolutely, but I doubt it
 
I dont think i finished off my sentence there lol, forgot what i was saying~
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I bought a windows 600 quid laptop, and a 1600 quid macbook pro. i know for sure that the macbook will last me at least 10 years, whilst the windows one only lasted me around one!
thats whats about expected when you buy low end products of any sort. Never forget "you get what you pay for". if you compared a $1600 windows laptop to a 1600 quid mac, you'll find a far far closer quality.
 
Why would Apple go back to using a glass panel for the rear of the device?! More stuff that can shatter is just not a good idea.

If there's one thing I don't like about Apple design, it's that products are often made for beauty first and real-life durability second.
 
thats whats about expected when you buy low end products of any sort. Never forget "you get what you pay for". if you compared a $1600 windows laptop to a 1600 quid mac, you'll find a far far closer quality.
Not necessarily. There are high end laptops with loud fans.
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Hi
True amazon Prime video uses Silverlight that causes overheating on a good spec rMBP on Sierra.

I love my rMBP and I did a trial -one month free test with netflix and it was PERFECT 40 degrees no fan.
I think they use HTML5. why amazon use Silvelight is beyond comprehension I'm
sure is would be easy for them to use HTML5

The fan does come on in W7 but thats Parallels so probably shouldn't count - disapponting non the less.
Tbh are macbooks quiet in general or is it only with the higgher ebd more expensive onss?
 
"High end models" ...

STAHP APPLE STAHP. If the high end model is a 4.7" size I am fine with that but stop forcing me to the bigger model for better stuff. Please.
They aren't forcing you to do anything. Just like larger cars can have bigger engines and more "luxury" items within, the larger phone can accommodate "better" items inside.... better camera, better battery, better what ever. No one forces you to buy one car or one phone over the other. Stop with the nonsense.
 
Not necessarily. There are high end laptops with loud fans.
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Tbh are macbooks quiet in general or is it only with the higgher ebd more expensive onss?

When I moved to Mac about a year ago I was 100% sure I'd never hear a fan again!
My rMBP is 2015 13" i5 8GB RAM 512GB approx $2000
I do run Parallels but I guess I was naive to think it would never overheat.....

• amazon prime video with Silverlight

• scan of hard drive with Norton 2.0 in Parallels

• an increase in temp with most programs in parallels W7 and W10

love my mac but a tad disappointed with overheating but not enough to to go back to Windows computer - dispite their vast improvements that I've read.

cheers
 
I hereby apologize to many of you who I accidentally butt called with my Galaxy S7 Edge. The extra curve on the edge made it a ticking time bomb, if I was in the phone app. Totally not needed and I am sure Apple will not go down that route. Sold the S7 Edge and got an HTC 10 and a 6S.
 
When I moved to Mac about a year ago I was 100% sure I'd never hear a fan again!
My rMBP is 2015 13" i5 8GB RAM 512GB approx $2000
I do run Parallels but I guess I was naive to think it would never overheat.....

• amazon prime video with Silverlight

• scan of hard drive with Norton 2.0 in Parallels

• an increase in temp with most programs in parallels W7 and W10

love my mac but a tad disappointed with overheating but not enough to to go back to Windows computer - dispite their vast improvements that I've read.

cheers
Mine is i7 and 16gb ram.

Yes, you are wrong. Mind overheats all the time when gaming. That too,with the fan loud.
 
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