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What's the point of designing and promoting it as being so slim if you have to add a bulky case to actually use it.

What would satisfy everyone is an option to order the 12.9 iPad Pro without a rear camera at all.

In the same vein, why make a tablet needlessly thicker and bulkier just to accommodate a camera bump, especially when you know that most people are going to use a case anyways?

A tablet is a mobile device. All other things equal, a thinner and lighter device is a more portable, and correspondingly, more useable device.
 
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I swung by an Apple store earlier today to check out the newest iPad Pro. Is it just me or is the screen a little grainy?! Or have my eyes been so used to Super Retina that the difference is more discernible? My initial thought was that my iPad Pro 9.7’s screen is even better?
 
I continue to be amazed at posts here by UK folks who don’t know about the Affinity software team in the UK. They make a perfectly acceptable alternative to PS and it’s amazing on the iPad. Why are you waiting to Adobe??
Umm.. Ive been a no Adobe Affinity convert for over a year now. :D (And a Affinity user for years before that, just one who was also subbed to Adobe for PS/Lightroom and did most illu work in PS still)

That's exactly the competition I was talking about. I question whether Adobe would have taken this approach at all if it wasn't for Affinity and Procreate totally wiping the floor with them in this space. Full Photoshop for iPad would still be good for industry people who are locked into PS, and there are a LOT of those people, for better or worse. (I can see why practically - Affinity Photo still doesn't save text layers (etc) which can be edited in PS.
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How do you mean?

My intended usage (professionally) with the iPad Pro would be for sketches/paintings, detailed or loose, on-site for later refinement and finishing on a Mac Pro (5,1) using my Wacom Cintiq and Photoshop or Corel Painter. I don't expect to do much photo editing, though I may revise that once Adobe releases it's planned full Photoshop for iOS next year.

I'm not itching to toss $1500 or so into Apple's coffers for the new iPP + Pencil + Cover, so I'll be looking very closely at reviews, assessing other's opinions, and trying it out for myself as much as possible in store prior to any decision.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you mentioned earlier your desire for a full MacOS iPad, which I largely agree with, though the possibility of it happening seems very remote. So aside from that, please tell me what your experiences and/or cautions would be regarding this new device.
I realise you weren't asking me, but as another artist, I barely use my Cintiq anymore - and I was a huge Wacom fan for ~15 years. The iPad/Procreate combination is so good for sketching/painting I do so many more complete pieces there.. And Luna Display works very, very well at making the iPad into a Cintiq-like tablet for the Mac, for occasions where that might be needed. Only reason I keep my Cintiq is because its a nice 2nd display and makes my workstation more productive on the few occasions I actually have to sit at it now.

Unlike some I absolutely do not under any circumstances want MacOS on the iPad, I'd like to see devs continuing to develop to its strengths and continue in its own unique way. If you use iCloud Drive file management is really simple, the advantages people imagine they'd have from MacOS wouldn't be advantages to many users.

The Apple Pencil is the best stylus type thing I've ever used. By far. Once you get it set to your liking, the tilt/pressure is so damn pleasant to work with and much more natural than everything else.

Your pet portraits are lovely! Have you seen this (70 page, haha!) thread? https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/share-your-drawings-with-ipad-pro-apple-pencil.1938898/ - its neat seeing people of all different levels and their choices of apps etc.
 
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http://austinmann.com/trek/ipad-pro-photographer-iceland

Review by a photographer who uses his iPad Pro to edit and share pictures.

One of my favorite things about iPad has always been how elegantly it showcases photographs. When displaying an image full screen, it basically transforms into a big, beautiful digital picture frame, ready to pass around a group or rotate 180° to show a friend across the table. Now without a home button on the new iPad Pro, there are literally no buttons, no controls, absolutely nothing except your photo on screen, and they look better than ever on this vibrant Liquid Retina display.

Using the Apple Pencil means I can make very natural yet precise adjustments to BCCC, with organic, free-flowing movements instead of lasso selections or mouse-controlled brush strokes. This is why world-class retouchers have been using Wacom tablets for years, and now with the new iPad Pro, iOS 12, and new software from Lightroom CC all together, we can easily and quickly make natural edits like these on-the-fly.

It’s really easy to sit just about anywhere (even with a steering wheel in your face) and not just use it, but use it to its full extent. Another cool feature in this scenario is eSIM. Because the iPad Pro is connected to cellular, even in the middle of nowhere Iceland, I could quickly share the images without even thinking about my connection, WiFi, hotspots, etc. Time wasn’t mission critical on this shoot, but in a scenario where time is of the essence, this kind of workflow could be a game-changer.

I’ve been editing/writing here in a restaurant in Vik, Iceland, and here’s a quick demo I did with an image to show you how fast this thing is:

Now this is an iPad review!
 
Umm.. Ive been a no Adobe Affinity convert for over a year now. :D (And a Affinity user for years before that, just one who was also subbed to Adobe for PS/Lightroom and did most illu work in PS still)

That's exactly the competition I was talking about. I question whether Adobe would have taken this approach at all if it wasn't for Affinity and Procreate totally wiping the floor with them in this space. Full Photoshop for iPad would still be good for industry people who are locked into PS, and there are a LOT of those people, for better or worse. (I can see why practically - Affinity Photo still doesn't save text layers (etc) which can be edited in PS.
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I realise you weren't asking me, but as another artist, I barely use my Cintiq anymore - and I was a huge Wacom fan for ~15 years. The iPad/Procreate combination is so good for sketching/painting I do so many more complete pieces there.. And Luna Display works very, very well at making the iPad into a Cintiq-like tablet for the Mac, for occasions where that might be needed. Only reason I keep my Cintiq is because its a nice 2nd display and makes my workstation more productive on the few occasions I actually have to sit at it now.

Unlike some I absolutely do not under any circumstances want MacOS on the iPad, I'd like to see devs continuing to develop to its strengths and continue in its own unique way. If you use iCloud Drive file management is really simple, the advantages people imagine they'd have from MacOS wouldn't be advantages to many users.

The Apple Pencil is the best stylus type thing I've ever used. By far. Once you get it set to your liking, the tilt/pressure is so damn pleasant to work with and much more natural than everything else.

Your pet portraits are lovely! Have you seen this (70 page, haha!) thread? https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/share-your-drawings-with-ipad-pro-apple-pencil.1938898/ - its neat seeing people of all different levels and their choices of apps etc.

Thanks for the information (and the compliment on my pet art). I've scanned the "iPad Pro Drawings" thread and liked what I saw there. Some real good stuff being made with these tools.

One of my concerns with iPad art has to do with resolution and size of the artwork. I frequently work on illustrations of 30" or more in size that must be created in 300 resolution for offset printing. I'm not sure the iPad could handle such a large file very well. That's why my thoughts are to create a workflow that starts on the iPad and ends on my computer using the Cintiq, where the file size will be less of an issue.

Also, being a bit of a curmudgeon and stuck in my ways, I'm somewhat reluctant to pick up a new tool and software that might involve a substantial learning curve, though from many accounts, ProCreate sounds fairly easy to pick up.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. Info from a fellow illustrator is enormously helpful.
 
Thanks for the information (and the compliment on my pet art). I've scanned the "iPad Pro Drawings" thread and liked what I saw there. Some real good stuff being made with these tools.

One of my concerns with iPad art has to do with resolution and size of the artwork. I frequently work on illustrations of 30" or more in size that must be created in 300 resolution for offset printing. I'm not sure the iPad could handle such a large file very well. That's why my thoughts are to create a workflow that starts on the iPad and ends on my computer using the Cintiq, where the file size will be less of an issue.

Also, being a bit of a curmudgeon and stuck in my ways, I'm somewhat reluctant to pick up a new tool and software that might involve a substantial learning curve, though from many accounts, ProCreate sounds fairly easy to pick up.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. Info from a fellow illustrator is enormously helpful.
No problem! I see what you mean about the two system workflow now, that makes a lot of sense! I'm not totally sure how they'd cope with a complex file of that size yet, but I have hit some limitations on my old iPad.

Procreate has a hard layer limit based on the amount of RAM your iPad has, so huge canvases limit the number of layers. If I make a 18"x18" canvas at 300dpi on mine I only get 2 layers. Ouch. But I have the first 9.7" iPad Pro with only 2GB RAM.

Affinity Photo on the other hand seems not care much whatever you throw at it. I was working on an A2 sized (16x23") 300DPI poster with 15ish layers without issue. If you're already married to PS I'd probably wait. Although Affinity allows you to do the iCloud Drive passing a file between the two platforms in a really nice way - its file system is proprietary. If you save out as PSD the text layers & layer effects etc get rasterised. So you might end up getting stuck inside Affinity's suite instead! (in my case that's not a problem but for a lot of people it would be a nightmare) :( If you wait for Adobe's new apps then it'll potentially make your workflow a lot simpler - it should (according to them!) also cope with giant files, and you wouldn't have to relearn anything, leaving procreate as a fun sketchbook type thing on the side. :)
 
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No problem! I see what you mean about the two system workflow now, that makes a lot of sense! I'm not totally sure how they'd cope with a complex file of that size yet, but I have hit some limitations on my old iPad.

Procreate has a hard layer limit based on the amount of RAM your iPad has, so huge canvases limit the number of layers. If I make a 18"x18" canvas at 300dpi on mine I only get 2 layers. Ouch. But I have the first 9.7" iPad Pro with only 2GB RAM.

Affinity Photo on the other hand seems not care much whatever you throw at it. I was working on an A2 sized (16x23") 300DPI poster with 15ish layers without issue. If you're already married to PS I'd probably wait. Although Affinity allows you to do the iCloud Drive passing a file between the two platforms in a really nice way - its file system is proprietary. If you save out as PSD the text layers & layer effects etc get rasterised. So you might end up getting stuck inside Affinity's suite instead! (in my case that's not a problem but for a lot of people it would be a nightmare) :( If you wait for Adobe's new apps then it'll potentially make your workflow a lot simpler - it should (according to them!) also cope with giant files, and you wouldn't have to relearn anything, leaving procreate as a fun sketchbook type thing on the side. :)
That's very helpful information. I never get that crucial info from reviews which are mostly written by non-artists.

Thanks so much!
 
For me the iPad Pro was the main artist of the show.

I'm an owner of the 10.5" and the iPhone X and was ready to give the iPad Pro away to my half. I was truly impressed until I've noticed that they bumped the price up and than pause ...

This is something that is really starting to bug me quite a lot every year! I remember the times of SJ when they launched more advanced stuff at a lower price than the competition flagships. That for me was another touch of genius of SJ when they launched the iPhone 3G, 3GS and 4S ... the devices that made the revolution not what came after to milk his legacy with the customers ... I felt then, that the company had a sense of fair play with their loyal customers. Even if you were a bit skint on money one could still do it. Remember when Apple decided to offer the updates of iOS and macOS for free and the iWorks suite? A good will between both parties if you will. This generated the Apple Golden age ... That is how I felt the world could change.

What I see now with this increasing price bumps is something totally different. It's not about changing the world anymore but making a buck out of anything, including their stupid keyboard. This is usually the indication of the decline of a civilisation .... The Trumps of the world and the Wall Street became their best friend I guess. Never though that artists were the ones with the money in this world. So I guess the product its about making you feel like an artist even though one has no talent!

Yes the new version should be better than the previous at the same price, isn't that the point? Anyone can make a better version at a higher price. The the initial iPad launch, probably the most difficult of the iPads to get done right, was $300 cheaper in a time where the value of the dollar was way down and competition in this space was extremely weak.
EXACTLY. It is so pathetic and sad to see Apple make ever-so-slight incremental updates now, when they should be making major leaps every year like in the late years of Steve Jobs, and the worst part is that they keep increasing the price, segmenting the product lineups, and recycling ancient tech that should have been obsolete ages ago (like non-laminated display in iPad)
 
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