2019 iMac when?

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Hello guys,

when do you think we can expect an update from Apple? Is spring realistic or we have to wait for WWDC as most likely candidate? Also, is there anything exciting on the horizon CPU or GPU wise?

I’m in no particular rush but I would love to switch from my 2017 MBP to iMac as I was never a fan of these small screens. :)
 
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They will likely first update the iMac Pro line, since the six core iMac Vega would be a direct competitor to the Pro for a third of the price.

So, first iMac Pro, then iMac.

I would expect to see a six core i7, 32gb RAM and Vega GPU.

I mean, it would be cool to see a complete redesign since they have been serving the same thing for several years now, but who knows.
 

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You mention nothing about how you use your MBP so it's impossible to suggest whether to wait or not. The current crop of iMacs, especially the 27" models are terrific. No one has a clue what Apple will do except that there will almost certainly be a processor update, BUT the machines may also be more expensive and may no longer allow easy user RAM upgrades (the current 27" regular iMac and ancient Mac Pro are the only ones left that do). So depending on how you use your computer it may be a good idea to grab one of the current 27" iMacs while they last, or if you must have the extra processing power of six cores, wait.
 
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As always with Apple, no one has any idea, just guesses.

The current issue Apple finds itself in is dealing with vendors that are not updating their products. AMD has not released a card that could go in the iMac to update the Radeon Pros they have. I do not think they will put the cards from the iMac Pro in there, they are much more expensive a major pillar of the iMac Pros's existence. On top of that, they have waited so long, that if they put 8th-gen Intel CPUs in the iMac, they will be a generation behind when they ship, but the 9th-gen are not likely to ship in large enough numbers for Apple before late spring or early summer.

With that in mind, here are my thoughts on possible releases. All of these get SSD across the board.

Spring launch would mean 8th-gen Intel CPUs and some sort of rehash of the current GPUs. No redesign.

Summer or Fall would mean 9th-gen Intel CPUs and the new Navi line of GPU along with enough redesign to rework the cooling and of course close off the RAM upgrade option. The later it goes, the more likely we see all new GPUs.

Those are of course pulling things out of my rear guesses. Apple really should have released a CPU bump in October. It would have bought them some time to let Intel and AMD get production going and set them up to make a large upgrade next year.
 

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My -guess- is:
Sometime between April and June.
Maybe earlier, but not likely.
Maybe later, but again, not likely.
 

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They will likely first update the iMac Pro line, since the six core iMac Vega would be a direct competitor to the Pro for a third of the price.

So, first iMac Pro, then iMac.

I would expect to see a six core i7, 32gb RAM and Vega GPU.

I mean, it would be cool to see a complete redesign since they have been serving the same thing for several years now, but who knows.
This isn't entirely true as according to references found on the latest macOS Mojave beta, the next iMac models could supposedly feature Vega 10 and 20 GPU options. So these we can expect these to supposedly be less powerful than current Vega GPUs of the iMac Pro while being at the same time more capable than the Radeon Pro GPUs from iMac models being sold now.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-New-Vega-10-20-PCI-IDs
 

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They will likely first update the iMac Pro line, since the six core iMac Vega would be a direct competitor to the Pro for a third of the price.

So, first iMac Pro, then iMac.

I would expect to see a six core i7, 32gb RAM and Vega GPU.

I mean, it would be cool to see a complete redesign since they have been serving the same thing for several years now, but who knows.
Highly doubtful. There is a decent chance we will not see any more iMac Pros as Apple will want all attention on the Mac Pro which will probably end up being a late Q4 release next year. Think about this logically. If Apple is true to their word and the Mac Pro is indeed 2019 product then who would be the target market for updated iMac Pros in 2019? Most people didn't take delivery of them until a year ago at the earliest and the 18 core version didn't ship until Feb this year. If Apple releases new iMac Pros who is going to buy them when the Mac Pro is looming that close? If you needed a Xeon machine for MacOS that badly you already pulled the trigger on the iMac Pro.

Also don't be surprised if the iMac Pro is a one off product.

Based on the rumors next iMacs will probably focus on the screen 120hz and or HDR. Possibility they are going to come out with a redesign as well as the current design is very old(though excellent)
 

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I agree, that iMac Pro is out the question. Most likely we will see a preview of the new Mac Pro at WWDC as that is the "correct" event to show this beast.
iMac Pro (to me) seemed as only one off product to bridge the wait and most likely it won't be updated as there is no reason. (unless the new Mac Pro will be even more expensive&hardcore that iMac Pro will serve as a gap but thats very unlikely)

I kinda expect the new iMac to have redesign of the vent system (like iMac Pro) as the bare minimum.

is Navi GPU line a simple bump spec upgrade or is it a proper one? For the past few years all these Radeons had very minimal speed gains so I kinda don't want another "slow" GPU. Anyone seen benchmarks of the Navi line (even a promo one?)
 

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I would guess if we are waiting this long, it's gonna be a design change.
And a 2018 mini looks like a 2014 mini, which looks like a 2012 mini, which looks like a 2010 mini, all except for color and lack of an optical drive slot.

If I were a betting man, I know how I'd play those odds.

Jony Ive seems to have reached a state where he feels like he's Dieter Rams, and every Mac desktop has now reached iconic status. From a business perspective, Apple's disinterest in desktops also helps reinforce the status quo.

The new Mac Pro will be a very telling product, both in terms of design aesthetic, and whether Apple will truly listen to what pro users desire, or give them what Apple thinks they desire.

If the company simply revived the original cheese-grater Pro tower with modern specs, it would probably make a lot of those pros happy. But current Apple being Apple, the risk is that it will produce a slightly more flexible version of the garbage can.
 
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All we know about the next iMac is that respected Apply analyst Ming-chi Kuo said it will have a “significant display performance upgrade.”
We can only speculate about what this means:

* HDR, it's good but I doubt it is a significant change.

* 8K, I think is doubtful because the computer is unlikely enough to handle a range of 8k content for video editing. But then again this really would be a 'significant performance upgrade.' It might also bring it in line with a separate 8K monitor that will be made for the upcoming Mac Pro.

* 120Hz refresh rate or more - I believe that iMac refresh rate is currently 60Hz (correct me if i'm wrong).

* Redesign - I think this is the a real possibility. In the current age of thin bezelled monitors the iMac looks dated. But a chassis change is not a 'performance' upgrade. Although this might happen with a performance improvement.

I'm almost ready to order a Mac Mini TODAY but with all the bits and upgrades the costs mount up so I'm wondering if I should just wait for the new iMac! The news of a new iPad Mini perhaps hint that a Spring Apple event will be happening.
 
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All we know about the next iMac is that respected Apply analyst Ming-chi Kuo said it will have a “significant display performance upgrade.”
We can only speculate about what this means:

* HDR, it's good but I doubt it is a significant change.

* 8K, I think is doubtful because the computer is unlikely enough to handle a range of 8k content for video editing. But then again this really would be a 'significant performance upgrade.' It might also bring it in line with a separate 8K monitor that will be made for the upcoming Mac Pro.

* 120Hz refresh rate or more - I believe that iMac refresh rate is currently 60Hz (correct me if i'm wrong).

* Redesign - I think this is the a real possibility. In the current age of thin bezelled monitors the iMac looks dated. But a chassis change is not a 'performance' upgrade. Although this might happen with a performance improvement.

I'm almost ready to order a Mac Mini TODAY but with all the bits and upgrades the costs mount up so I'm wondering if I should just wait for the new iMac! The news of a new iPad Mini perhaps hint that a Spring Apple event will be happening.

I will get one if there's a redesign. I will be happy just with thinner bezel.
 
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Freida

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All we know about the next iMac is that respected Apply analyst Ming-chi Kuo said it will have a “significant display performance upgrade.”
We can only speculate about what this means:

* HDR, it's good but I doubt it is a significant change.

* 8K, I think is doubtful because the computer is unlikely enough to handle a range of 8k content for video editing. But then again this really would be a 'significant performance upgrade.' It might also bring it in line with a separate 8K monitor that will be made for the upcoming Mac Pro.

* 120Hz refresh rate or more - I believe that iMac refresh rate is currently 60Hz (correct me if i'm wrong).

* Redesign - I think this is the a real possibility. In the current age of thin bezelled monitors the iMac looks dated. But a chassis change is not a 'performance' upgrade. Although this might happen with a performance improvement.

I'm almost ready to order a Mac Mini TODAY but with all the bits and upgrades the costs mount up so I'm wondering if I should just wait for the new iMac! The news of a new iPad Mini perhaps hint that a Spring Apple event will be happening.
I looked at mac mini recently and even though its tempting, the cost is just not that great considering that iMac comes with a 5k screen.
Even though some suggested that I could get the current version of the iMac I don't see that happening. I simply refuse to buy a 2 year old product regardless of how "great" it is.
Update is going to happen this year so I will just wait for that. Meanwhile, my 2017 15MPB will just help bridge the time :D
 
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I think HDR is almost a given already as well as a redisign that matches the future USB-C Apple Display. And then I see 120Hz support more likely to happen in 2019 than an OLED panel replacing LCD as I think we would have heard reports coming from Asia about new OLED panels already.

I really don’t see happening any time soon the 120Hz+OLED combo that many are dreaming of.
 

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I think HDR is almost a given already as well as a redisign that matches the future USB-C Apple Display. And then I see 120Hz support more likely to happen in 2019 than an OLED panel replacing LCD as I think we would have heard reports coming from Asia about new OLED panels already.

I really don’t see happening any time soon the 120Hz+OLED combo that many are dreaming of.
OLED would be tough, given that burn-in of the menu bar would be both noticeable within a few months and impossible to avoid. But I expect 120hz is happening. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if an upgraded iMac Pro stuck around as well, and we started seeing more "pro line" options. Our workflow last year utilized both Mac Pro and iMac Pro machines, and we could have found a use for Mini Pros as well.
 

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As a previous (wise) poster said - this is Apple, so it's all just guesses. Here are mine:

Mac Pro is very expensive (~$6499 starting price, certain (rare) options can push it well over $20,000). Of course, you get a lot for that money , but Apple wants a modular Mac to be expensive enough that people don't buy them to avoid the screen in an iMac - they buy them because they need power that no iMac has.

Something like:
Xeon SP - 12 to 28 cores (may have a dual processor option)
48 or 96 GB minimum RAM, 384 GB capacity (perhaps more, especially in dual processor models)
2,4,8 TB SSD options plus a couple of M.2 PCIe slots
High-end AMD Navi graphics (replaceable, but not with a standard PC graphics card - sorry, no NVidia). Dual graphics option possible

iMac Pro sticks around, loses 8 core option (and maybe 32 GB RAM option), adds 22 core option, 256 GB RAM option at top end. May be physically identical, but could become a 32" 8K machine (or something like that). If physically identical, price doesn't change much, but if the screen grows, the price probably will as well.

Something like:
Xeon W - 10 to 22 cores
32 or 64 GB minimum RAM, 256 GB capacity
1,2,4, 8? TB SSD options - non replaceable
AMD Navi replacements for current Vega options

Here's the question-
Does it feature essentially the current screen with HDR and perhaps Adobe RGB (which would be the 2019 iMac screen or a version of the 2019 iMac screen that supports Adobe RGB)
Or is it 8K (or something intermediate like 6.5K) on a 32" screen???

iMac (standard) keeps its two screen sizes, gets a mild redesign. Forum-goers aren't going to like this, but the realities of cooling, and Apple's business decisions to both keep it thin and charge the Apple Tax on as much as possible are that two unpopular features will stick around, while at least one and perhaps two popular ones go away. The bezels and the chin are almost certainly coming back for another round because they add case volume for cooling (if Apple releases an iMac in 2021-2023 with an A-series processor instead of an Intel chip, the bezels and chin might go away then). Taking away the space for the spinning disk and possibly the RAM door leaves room for an iMac Pro-style cooling system.

Something like:
Core i3 (21.5" only) to Core i9 (27" only), 4 to 8 cores (maybe with a dual-core 21.5" at the bottom end) 21.5" will have 4-core and perhaps 6-core options, while 27" will have 6 and 8 core options.

8 GB minimum (21.5"), 16 GB minimum in 27" models. Soldered RAM up to 32 GB in 21.5", while 27" gets slots (maybe not easily accessible) and a 64 GB maximum capacity, with an off chance of a 128 GB option.

256 GB, 512 GB and 1 TB SSD (21.5") 512 GB to (very expensive) 4 TB SSD options for 27". SSD Only on both models. SSD options may be affected by processor choice (cheaper models may not have access to larger sizes, and higher-end processors may come only with larger SSDs).

21.5" keeps Intel graphics, or may get the unusual Intel chips that contain a small Vega on the CPU package. 27" gets Vega or Navi graphics choices that steer clear of the iMac Pro choices (may use on-package Vega graphics at the bottom end).

Screens essentially unchanged, although HDR is a serious possibility.

21.5" prices largely unaffected (256 GB SSD replaces Fusion Drives), 27" gets somewhat more expensive because the Fusion Drives go away (a fast 512 GB SSD is more expensive than a 1 TB HDD). Like-for-like 27" prices stay similar, but the least expensive way to get the Core i9 9900K may well come with a 1 TB SSD and/or 32 GB RAM.
 
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Apple is probably working on MicroLED technology, but anything MicroLED we see this year will be an Apple Watch or something else tiny (screen on top of a HomePod, maybe a Touch Bar). Next comes the iPhone, years before we see it on a Mac. We're a long way from seeing anything except modest improvements to LED-backlit LCDs like we've had for years on a 27" display...
 
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I will get one if there's a redesign. I will be happy just with thinner bezel.
You and me both.
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And a 2018 mini looks like a 2014 mini, which looks like a 2012 mini, which looks like a 2010 mini, all except for color and lack of an optical drive slot.

If I were a betting man, I know how I'd play those odds.

Jony Ive seems to have reached a state where he feels like he's Dieter Rams, and every Mac desktop has now reached iconic status. From a business perspective, Apple's disinterest in desktops also helps reinforce the status quo.

The new Mac Pro will be a very telling product, both in terms of design aesthetic, and whether Apple will truly listen to what pro users desire, or give them what Apple thinks they desire.

If the company simply revived the original cheese-grater Pro tower with modern specs, it would probably make a lot of those pros happy. But current Apple being Apple, the risk is that it will produce a slightly more flexible version of the garbage can.
I would counter that the longer a product design stays in circulation, the higher the chances of it getting a redesign with every passing year. The average redesign cycle for MacBooks, MacBook Pros, and iMacs are roughly 3-5 years and obviously the newer the product, the less likely Apple will redesign. Redesign averages for the Mac mini and Mac Pro are undoubtedly longer, but also look at the facts: those are the two least selling Macs in their entire Mac lineup, so Apple can easily get away with those averages.
 

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As a previous (wise) poster said - this is Apple, so it's all just guesses. Here are mine:

Mac Pro is very expensive (~$6499 starting price, certain (rare) options can push it well over $20,000). Of course, you get a lot for that money , but Apple wants a modular Mac to be expensive enough that people don't buy them to avoid the screen in an iMac - they buy them because they need power that no iMac has.

Something like:
Xeon SP - 12 to 28 cores (may have a dual processor option)
48 or 96 GB minimum RAM, 384 GB capacity (perhaps more, especially in dual processor models)
2,4,8 TB SSD options plus a couple of M.2 PCIe slots
High-end AMD Navi graphics (replaceable, but not with a standard PC graphics card - sorry, no NVidia). Dual graphics option possible

iMac Pro sticks around, loses 8 core option (and maybe 32 GB RAM option), adds 22 core option, 256 GB RAM option at top end. May be physically identical, but could become a 32" 8K machine (or something like that). If physically identical, price doesn't change much, but if the screen grows, the price probably will as well.

Something like:
Xeon W - 10 to 22 cores
32 or 64 GB minimum RAM, 256 GB capacity
1,2,4, 8? TB SSD options - non replaceable
AMD Navi replacements for current Vega options

Here's the question-
Does it feature essentially the current screen with HDR and perhaps Adobe RGB (which would be the 2019 iMac screen or a version of the 2019 iMac screen that supports Adobe RGB)
Or is it 8K (or something intermediate like 6.5K) on a 32" screen???

iMac (standard) keeps its two screen sizes, gets a mild redesign. Forum-goers aren't going to like this, but the realities of cooling, and Apple's business decisions to both keep it thin and charge the Apple Tax on as much as possible are that two unpopular features will stick around, while at least one and perhaps two popular ones go away. The bezels and the chin are almost certainly coming back for another round because they add case volume for cooling (if Apple releases an iMac in 2021-2023 with an A-series processor instead of an Intel chip, the bezels and chin might go away then). Taking away the space for the spinning disk and possibly the RAM door leaves room for an iMac Pro-style cooling system.

Something like:
Core i3 (21.5" only) to Core i9 (27" only), 4 to 8 cores (maybe with a dual-core 21.5" at the bottom end) 21.5" will have 4-core and perhaps 6-core options, while 27" will have 6 and 8 core options.

8 GB minimum (21.5"), 16 GB minimum in 27" models. Soldered RAM up to 32 GB in 21.5", while 27" gets slots (maybe not easily accessible) and a 64 GB maximum capacity, with an off chance of a 128 GB option.

256 GB, 512 GB and 1 TB SSD (21.5") 512 GB to (very expensive) 4 TB SSD options for 27". SSD Only on both models. SSD options may be affected by processor choice (cheaper models may not have access to larger sizes, and higher-end processors may come only with larger SSDs).

21.5" keeps Intel graphics, or may get the unusual Intel chips that contain a small Vega on the CPU package. 27" gets Vega or Navi graphics choices that steer clear of the iMac Pro choices (may use on-package Vega graphics at the bottom end).

Screens essentially unchanged, although HDR is a serious possibility.

21.5" prices largely unaffected (256 GB SSD replaces Fusion Drives), 27" gets somewhat more expensive because the Fusion Drives go away (a fast 512 GB SSD is more expensive than a 1 TB HDD). Like-for-like 27" prices stay similar, but the least expensive way to get the Core i9 9900K may well come with a 1 TB SSD and/or 32 GB RAM.
The worry for me is that Tim an his team still describe the iMac on their web site as "The new iMac is packed with all-new processors, the latest graphics technologies" - They really are deluded. On a different planet to the rest of us.
 

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Also don't be surprised if the iMac Pro is a one off product.
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iMac Pro (to me) seemed as only one off product to bridge the wait and most likely it won't be updated as there is no reason. (unless the new Mac Pro will be even more expensive&hardcore that iMac Pro will serve as a gap but thats very unlikely)
that isn't how Apple sees the the iMac Pro

"PHil Schiller: ... including making configurations of iMac specifically with the pro customer in mind and acknowledging that our most popular desktop with pros is an iMac. We want to do things with the iMac in the future to help address those pro needs, and make it… not only continue, but more of a capable machine for pro customers. ...
Craig Federighi: ....At the same time, so many of our customers were moving to iMac that we saw a path to address many, many more of those that were finding themselves limited by Mac Pro through a next generation iMac. And really put a lot of our energy behind that.
..."

https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/06/t...-john-ternus-on-the-state-of-apples-pro-macs/

What Apple has seen over time is more folks who were on Mac Pro's shift off to the iMac. That doesn't mean everyone on Mac Pro was moving that way; just that a substantive numbere of folks were. ( Highly doubtful that was simply just in the last 2-4 years. As the iMac got off of mobile CPUs and GPUs it became a more capable system. There are also lots of folks who just want something that works. Their Mac isn't an "hobby construction box"... they just want something that plug in , works for a decent number of years and then get a new one. ).

The iMac Pro is probably staying.


The next Mac Pro is probably coming more solely for the folks who are in the "I hate all-in-ones" camp and more niched use cases. Neither the iMac Pro nor the Mac Pro are grossly outsell one another or the iMac. (or a decent chance the Mini if Apple can correct the pricing back toward the historic level as the "Mark up" on SSD capacity fades in justification over time. ).

Even if 6 core and possibly 8 core regualr iMac shows up there will still be a case for the iMac PRo on more than just core count. There is actually I/O bandwidth that Apple is just simply leaving on the floor right now in the Mac Pro. They could do two 10GbE ports or another internal SSD if they wanted ( an IMac Pro with more than one internal drive). The mainstream desktop Core i's aren't going to match that any time soon. In short, the iMac Pro doesn't have to sit still as mainstream iMac upgrades.
 
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